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Whatsup with arri clog on the s1ii though? It still seems way off from actual arri footage?

29 minutes ago, kye said:

Equipment with stabilisation like cameras with IBIS or lenses with OIS can have very different reactions to motion.  For example the normal IBIS mode on GH5 vs the IBIS 'tripod mode' where it tries to eliminate all motion.  I've been aware of this for a long time as one of the OIS lenses on my Canon 700D refused to let me pan the camera, and would hold the composition steady and when it ran out of travel it would jerk suddenly.  It felt like the frame was 'stuck' and I had to 'pull hard' on it to get it to unstick and then it would jerk into a new position (that it would then wrestle with me to try and hold that new position).

The jitters you're seeing from IBIS mechanisms may very well be some kind of undesired response to the motion of the camera perhaps?  

I have IBIS and non-IBIS cameras and I previously frankensteined a rig with four of them and then walked around the backyard with it.  I can probably dig up the details / footage if that would be of interest, although the cameras are quite different (IIRC the non-IBIS camera was the OG BMPCC).  

I've sometimes wondered what an IBIS mechanism does when it's switched off.  Does the sensor get held in place by the motors, or does it get disconnected and flap around?  If I turn my GX85 upside down to get the battery / card out of the bottom I can feel something moving around inside it, and I just always assumed it was the sensor.
I just grabbed it and did a quick test:
- camera off = rattling inside when I turn it upside down
- camera on / IBIS on = no rattling
- camera on / IBIS off = no rattling
I guess it's held in place somehow?

In terms of seeing subtle jitters in the footage, does a touch of stabilisation in post fix it?  If so, that might be the quickest / cheapest option.  If you're doing hand-held work then you might really miss the IBIS.  When I was using the OG BM cams for street shooting (BMPCC / BMMCC) the OIS lens did a great job of pan and tilt but OIS doesn't stabilise roll at all, so the image had very unnatural motion and I had to stabilise the roll in post.

Thanks, yeah I can fix it in post with optical flow in davinci resolve, but I often just deliver my footage to production houses, so I sometimes even feel emberassed as I can see it. And I am afraid it may hurt my business. When walking forward I almost never see the issue. Only when doing a kind of slider shot. Moving left to right  without even taking a step.

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Hi,

I am thinking if I need Ibis or not in my camera's. I think it introduces some kind of jitter when panning the camera or when on a gimbal doing slider movements.(even when ibis is turned off, the sensor might correct/wiggle).

Anyhow it is driving me crazy. I see it on a lot of online videos as well, and they all say it is perfectly stable while it def is not. Or might be stable but there is some kind of jerking going around.

I don't have an non ibis camera around that I can mount to a gimbal to compare directly (c500ii is too big).

Can someone confirm this is the case? And this is the reason why there is no ibis on most cinema cameras, as the sensor will always be floaty?

Thanks!

Hi,

I still rock an dji ronin s, so I am thinking about upgrading to a new one. For the panasonic S5II, or nikon zr, or Sony a7v a low weight hybrid. The dji ronin s isnt smooth enough for really slider like movements. I am not sure there huge improvements in gimbals besides ai tracking and speeding up set up time. 
Which is the most smooth stable gimbal in 2026?

Thanks!

Ah just installed dr21, looks like rw2 is not supported yet. Bummer but it will prolly be fixed in the next update.

3 hours ago, Emanuel said:

 

'cause as of now, Insta360 and DJI action cameras clearly beat theirs.

 

How so? The colours look fantastuc!

All these stills look great though.

Ah seems like the datarates of prores lt are still A lot more then h265, so then its not a great solution. Maybe the zr2 will fix it.

2 hours ago, Ilkka Nissila said:

Nikon has indicated there will be a firmware update with Prores 422 LT which should give a better compromise in data rate between RAW and h.265. I love Prores 422 HQ on the Z8; the color and appearance of the image are so similar to still images, but the files are admittedly large. It is curious why the ZR h.265 is not as detailed (in reviews; I don't have the ZR) at high ISO as the Z6 III. Maybe Nikon felt it was a priority to avoid overheating and allow long recording times while keeping the camera body compact? 

How are the datarates of prores lt? Is it similar as h265?

I will wait until nikon fixes the h265 codec on the zr. Then I will buy it, I just can't shoot RAW video all the time.  the ibis I can work around, the AF seems pretty good, the image is gorgeous, not the fastest for photo's but for travel it looks like a dream camera (if they fix the h265 codec). 

Doesnt look good. Hope thzy wont go under, I have hosted most of my videos up there.

2 hours ago, Davide DB said:

I think we are missing the point. Does it really matter exactly how it looks? The low-fi aesthetic fit the story perfectly and, to be honest, I enjoyed it visually much more than that Portuguese film shot on the GH7. Obviously, both are deliberate stylistic choices.

If you read the article, the choice to shoot with a phone and minimal equipment was absolutely necessary to be able to film in a real market on an open set.Baker already shot a movie on an iPhone 5 years ago and looking at Anora, it's clear he isn't afraid to spend money when the production calls for it.

 

Well for me it is taking me out of the film right away. I feel there is something off in each shot. ( color, dof, detail, dynamic range, bad lighting,...) So for each their own I guess, but this is not for me. As I am constantly wondering why each shot looks off and that is keeping me off the story.. (not sure if people with no film experience can spot it, I think they can). But just my 2 cents. The only film I ever saw that kinda worked that way was "the blair witch project" but they tell you in the first minute. This is the footage of some students that went missing in the woods" so I could give it an place.

2 hours ago, Clark Nikolai said:

It looks good. The use of iPhones is interesting. The quality is now more than good enough for narrative. I would imagine the camera operator would have been seen as just another YouTube travel and food blogger and ignored. I don't know how "guerrilla" their approach was though. Did they inform the market authorities they were shooting or did they just go and do it?

Story wise it seems fine. From my perspective (in a progressive city in another country) the left handed thing is so old fashioned that I wonder if it's truly a thing in Taiwanese culture or just a device for this story. 

Do you honestly think it looks good? 

I have not seen the film. I just watched the trailer because you shared the name. But I wonder why they chose the iphone 13 as the main camera. I wonder if its not just to tell people "hey we shot this on an iphone".  I get you can win time with just shooting on an iphone, but the image just isnt there. 
Based on the trailer alone, its not a movie I would want to see, as I have not seen a single frame that looks great. It all looks like something a soccer mom or kid on youtube makes these days. Not into that vloggy style of filmmaking myself. 

Oh shit, I have too many cameras.

50 minutes ago, Andrew - EOSHD said:

The files aren't as chunky and colour science not as good as Canon.

Yeah the file sizes are def an issue. Colour science is debatable.

Nikon zr should be at 1 IQ wise.

for pHotography def not. Use flash, so MUCH MORE power in a smaller body. For video its ok, but I would go for something more with an bowens s mount (so you can easy use softboxes, fresnells, spotlights,...)

3 hours ago, ND64 said:

And now the ZRc:

Fourth quarter of 2026 is too late, or something lost in translation. Z30/Z50II sensor at that point is lame. No IBIS is shame, and 4k60 with crop on APSC is unacceptable. But why its not Z30II? Doesn't make sense.

End of 2026? Djeez, even released today it would be underwelming.

6 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

There have been numerous stories over the years, apocryphal maybe, but they were coming out even when the media loved Muskrat... anyway, the stories were frequently about how employees of companies like SpaceX believed him to be an absolute idiot and upper management believed that their main role with him was to block him from getting in the way.

One of the most famous stories was about some fuel tank that was fracturing in flight.  The engineers had some ideas, but Muskrat came up with some idea to put a layer of fast-set glue/resin on the outside that would stay liquid - and when the cracks started to appear in the tank, the adhesive would leak out and set, automatically healing the crack.  All of the best engineers in the company said that the idea could not possibly work and explained why it couldn't.  Yet, Muskrat insisted on an all hands on deck and everybody worked non-stop with the vessel and the resin until...  Muskrat finally acknowledged that the idea couldn't possibly work.

It sort of fits with a man who has basically failed upward for most of his life - such as how he got fired as CEO of PayPal after nearly running the company into bankruptcy with his bad ideas, but still owning a bunch of stock so that when Thiel transformed it to a profitable company and sold it to eBay, Muskrat came out with billions.

Would SpaceX exist without him?  No.  Would Starlink exist without SpaceX?  Also no.  Did he invent Starlink?  Also no.

Would Neuralink exist without him?  No, and who cares?  It's a good accessibility play for people who can't otherwise operate a computer, but for the rest of us, do you know anybody who is loudly complaining that they don't have some shitty device in their head that will ultimately be used to shovel ads directly into their brain?  Do you spend every day glaring at your computer wishing that your brain could directly control it?

For Tesla, he didn't invent it at all.  Outside of having a strong first mover advantage in terms of modern electric cars, they aren't very good.  Quality control has always been lacking.  Muskrat decides that for full self driving, they don't need industry-standard tools like proximity sensors, but instead they'll rely only on cameras.  He did, apparently, invent the truck that looks like a small child drew it and which is almost universally reviled.  So yay.

Otherwise, what has Muskrat invented?  Hyperloop - the dumbest mass transit invention in the history of humanity?  12 years later, there isn't a single operating hyperloop that you can go ride.  And it turns out that vactrain concepts had existed for years before he "invented" that too.  So...  has he had a single novel idea in his entire history?  Or is his "genius" really just in ways to exploit existing wealth to extract more money, mostly from the government?

A lot of this criticism assumes that value only comes from personally inventing things or never having bad ideas. That’s not how execution works.

Ideas are cheap. Execution is what matters.

Plenty of people had ideas about reusable rockets, EVs, satellite internet, or brain–computer interfaces long before Musk. What almost no one managed to do was turn those ideas into working, scaled systems in industries where startups usually fail.

SpaceX didn’t win because Musk designs fuel tanks. It won because it executed faster and cheaper than legacy aerospace giants with decades of experience. Tesla didn’t invent EVs, but it forced the entire auto industry to electrify years earlier than planned. Starlink is the largest satellite constellation ever deployed, providing connectivity where no real alternative existed.

Yes, he has bad ideas. Every aggressive executor does. The difference is that his companies survive them and still outperform competitors.

You don’t have to like Musk — but dismissing his role because he isn’t the inventor misses what execution actually means.

50 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Elon Musk did not invent SpaceX alone.
He stood on:

NASA contracts

public research

global supply chains

skilled labor pools created by public education

Not to mention striking it lucky with PayPal and the sellout to eBay for billions.

Yet it would not exist without him.

13 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

To everyone I offended this year... work on yourself so I don't have to do it again next year.

If after all you have seen, you still drink the Elon koolaid you deserve all the personal attacks coming to you.

I have absolutely zero respect for your opinions or your feelings on the matter.

It is entirely your responsibility that you feel insulted by what I said above even though it was objective fact and not at all personal.

Elon is not a rocket scientist. He's a fucking twat face, alleged Nazi drug addict.

I suppose you think his little fascist bromance with Trump was furthering the future of Planet Earth as well?

Thanks for the very open-minded and respectful exchange.

11 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Really I didnt know that

It was him was it? Have you ever considered it might instead be the thousands of employees of these companies backed by billions in venture capitalist funds and government NASA contracts.

Also as far as "the world" and "the future" goes, they haven't moved the needle that far.

SpaceX is just a private NASA contractor and they haven't even gone to the moon.

Tesla is a failing car company, completely outgunned by China.

Starlink consists of some satellites that ruin photos of the sky.

And Neural link is an allegedly deeply immoral pig experiment.

No. Critical thinking, and criticism is not the issue.

Gullible bastards are.

This reply feels unnecessarily hostile. We can disagree about Musk or his companies without resorting to personal attacks. I was simply sharing a perspective.

19 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Everyone took the old style of politics for granted - we have never much liked the culture of it in the first place anyway, but as a result - it's even worse now.

Well honestly I am not sure the old style of politics was even better. Before social media, there was TV and newspapers (there still is). And the story was very onesided. Allthough they claim to be impartial, they were/are def not. And classic media was more easy to control.  (yet also easy to pay ads for social media..)

For example, I read an article about Elon Musk gets 96% more negative media coverage (not sure who wrote it or funded the research, but in my experience it def feels true). The man is a wacko, sure, but he is def the n1 executing entrepreneur who pushing the world towards the future. (spacex, tesla, starlink, x, neuralink, ...)
The media criticizes every step he does and reposts it daily. Yet he saves 2 astronauts, and its almost crickets everywhere unless you are looking for that specific news. Offcourse bashing/hatefull posts get more attention over positive news, and that might also have an big part of the (human) problem.