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Yeah, I am searching for a 100mm. And then eventually I may pick up another 35mm f/2.5. I’ve had two of them but neither were in stellar condition, so I’ve sold them. I really need a 70-200mm (or some variant of those focal lengths) I’d rarely use it... until I need it and I have been in a few situations recently where I really could have used one... that Series E seems like a no brainer at that price.

That makes sense. I have my 5D3 for now and the stuff I am working on doesn’t require more than 1080p Raw. I’ll comfortably use this camera for the next 1-2 years. But next summer I may put together a short film with a little more meat to it and a C200 rental could be a logical choice for that project. Right now I do run and gun guerilla filmmaking, the C200 wouldn’t even be an option for me, but that project will be very controlled with a short schedule, so it could work. I’ve said in the past about the C200... you don’t buy a Ford Fiesta if you drive on the AutoBahn every day. So if your work requires a lot of footage, it’s probably not the right camera... even though there are reports that the 8bit 4K Footage has more latitude than the GH5 10bit 400mb footage... I think it was in Max Yuryev’s review.

I can agree with your first point. I am the hobbyist market that would love to shoot with one but can not afford it. But I also think Canon is segmenting their line up so much, that there is a camera for everybody’s needs. The C200, in my opinion, is solely for micro budget narrative, documentary and music video work. This is a camera to use when you have a small budget and a tight schedule... When you’ve scheduled for a 3:1 shot ratio and you’re trying to compete with short films or features that are shot on Alexas. Obviously, it’s not as good as an Alexa, but it will get you nearly halfway there. That was obviously a lost in translation title. We all knew what he meant. On a side note... A few years ago I was driving through an urban area and there was a billboard with a McDonalds ad. The ad showed a huge Big Mac and Ronald McDonald eyeballing it with crazy eyes. The caption read... “I’d hit that.” Hahahahaha. Obviously, nobody in the McDonald’s ad approval department realized that “I’d hit that” was a sexual slang phrase. So instead of proclaiming how much Ronald wanted to eat that Big Mac, in actuality their advertisement proclaimed that Ronald McDonald wanted to have sex with the Big Mac.

Oh I know and I even agree it’s unlikely... but I get surprised/disappointed by Canon all the time... so I just wouldn’t be shocked. But also the P2 is a cinema camera, just shaped like a pregnant DSLM and just a very well specced cheap one. It’s doubtful we’ll see Raw video in any consumer camera under $2500 from any major brand... they’ll never risk the backlash from consumers. Honestly, I don’t know if any of them will ever do it. Maybe whatever the GH5s turns into in its next generation, but I think it will be under a different moniker at a higher price point. But at under $2000, I don’t know if there is enough of a market demand for it.

Did you read BMCuser after the C200 was announced... I think there may have been some laces dangling from their mouths.

I agree, I shoot ML Raw now and have shot ProRes HQ from both the Micro and the Pocket, in the past, for the textures... skin, buildings, trees... it really is mind blowing to see the almost 3D detail effect Raw and ProRes have on textures in footage. I tried going back to consumer cameras but I just couldn’t. With P2, I am mostly excited for it FHD capabilities, and really interested to see how the baked in LUTS work with LT footage. For certain run and gun narrative ideas I have... this could be a game changer. However exposure could be a little more tricky than just setting the zebras to 90... false color should be great for this I guess... expose for skin tones or close. And then a slight correction in post and done. That sounds about right. None of them will do it at the P2 price point anyway. If any of them integrate it internally, it won’t be in a camera lower than the GH5... and I doubt Panasonic would do it with the GH5 either, this will be a $2500 camera feature. The major camera manufacturers won’t risk pissing off consumers with huge file sizes and time consuming post.

I’ll probably get shunned for this, but I think Canon will be the first to do it. I believe they’re the only major that has an in camera Raw recording. So I think a future XC20, or 5D5 or 7D3 may have, at least, 1080p RawLite. I doubt the P2 is really on their radar except for the competition the C200 is getting from the Ursa Pro. Now the Ursa Pro has a B-Cam with the P2. Obviously, this will probably never happen, but I never thought Canon would release any camera that shot Raw, so who knows.

Nah, I highly doubt it will.

Thanks for posting it. It’s easy to sit around and look at specs and announcements but it’s posts like these that show what those specs can do. And a reminder to me to put my nose down and get to work. But yes... this camera should be epic.

Never thought of that... thanks for the head's up.

Messing around with an outtake from my film... shot on the 5D3 and ML Raw with the Canon 28mm 1.8... I really like a fast 28mm in FF... Click the screengrab for a more accurate image...

Man I wish I could get a 1DC for $1299... I wouldn’t even bother with the P2. Obviously, you must like it?

@webrunner5 Well almost any camera can be a run and gun camera if you work within its limitations and maximize its benefits. I just have a prediction that there is going to be a backlash against this camera once it starts shipping because it won’t do exactly as hoped... or there will be some Barney and Friends color cast fixed pattern noise on all of the footage that is backlit... or something. But BM will fix it, via returns or fw updates and it will eventually be an amazing camera.

Yeah I get the idea, I just don’t think this camera will be as good for events as people hope it will be... I mean cinema is part of the product’s name. So, I get why somebody may choose ProRes over Raw... but... Of course I could see this being popular with weddings and I guess that is a subset of event work?

Idk, I still wouldn’t expect miracles from this camera for lowlight. I think this is a two ISO camera 400 (or 800... whichever one is right) and 3200. Of course, 3200 is great and everybody should be happy with that. And like previously mentioned... with a Speedbooster you can eek some more out of it. But there is this new technology I’ve heard about recently that could make all the difference... I think they’re called lights? Supposedly there’s this bulb thingy that has a filament in it and when electricity runs through it, it glows... that should get us another stop or two.

One could argue, that the full price of the camera and software is $1599 and we’re only paying $1299 because the software is free. But I like your idea better.

Honestly, this is my theory. BlackMagic hasn’t been doing as well with their Ursa sales as they had hoped and with the release of the GH5, GH5s, C200, EVA1... higher end video/cinema cameras have become cheaper, so their market has dwindled and this camera is a way for them to get that market share back... we’re basically getting the P1 Fire Sale price at launch. Just a theory. I don’t think you get physical/literal dongles any more... you just get a code or a link to the software that you download online.

Now maybe, Davinci will give a 10% off discount to people who purchased Resolve Studio in the past 3 months... but I doubt it. But seriously why would I take a bet when the prize is described as... “this crappy, old beat up lens.” Lol. Prepare for a backlash in... 3... 2... 1...

It’s like going to Walgreens and they have a buy one get one sale of paper towels. You are paying full price for the first roll of paper towels and the second roll you are getting for free. You cannot go to the counter and say, well I already paid for paper towels last week, so I don’t need the second roll of free paper towels, will you please deduct the price of the paper towels I paid for last week from the paper towels I am buying this week.

If you need the software or not, it’s irrelevant to the price of the camera.

But who would pay for a full price add on when there will hundreds of dongles for sale on eBay for at least $100 off the full price. The camera costs $1299, with the price of the camera, they are giving you free software.

But you cannot buy the camera without the free software included, so you are still paying $1299 for the camera.

You’re not paying for it, it comes free with the price of the camera. It’s just a marketing ploy to get people into their post workflow system and an extra bit to entice people to buy the camera.

Idk, I think the price is the price. I have a feeling, there may be a revamped “Pro” version of Resolve in the works, which will expand upon the Studio version and this is why they are giving it out for free with the camera.

So, this is my thought on the topic... why buy a camera and not use the best settings? If you want to shoot Raw, shoot the best Raw. If you want to use ProRes, shoot the best ProRes. If you really want to save storage space or use cheaper cards, shoot 1080p. Or honestly, maybe this camera isn’t for you? There are plenty of great cameras on the market.