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It's not necessarily
but because it's non standard it may be seen as a gimmick
a gimmick is fine in something designed to be a promo, sometimes preferable
but for narrative many stay traditional so that such deviation from standards doesn't detract from the story so much
thats probably why many don't do it
But literally hundreds of millions of people watched that video (I think that's about double the amount of people that saw Avatar), and none of the commentors mention it being a gimmick. They just think it looks cool. I guess my point is that there might just be more acceptance out there amongst the unsophisticated public for crazy wide ratios than we think.
Is it too wide? Only if you're watching it on a tiny small screen - a phone for example.
Try & see if you can find/watch an original version of Ben Hur or How The West Was Won.
At a certain point in the history of cinema (1950s), the big screen had to compete with the small screen & the gimmick of widescreen, in all its different flavours, was born - Cinemascope, VistaVision, Todd-AO, Kinopanorama, Cinemiracle, Technirama, Techniscope etc...
The widescreen standard first came into being in 1957 (2.35:1) & then updated in 1970 (1.39:1).
Those are all Academy ratios, I'm talking about 3.56:1.
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Here is a shot taken with the Rokinon on the NX1: https://flic.kr/p/tmmxuv
I like the lens, a little soft wide open though. Never tried the Opteka.
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Would anyone like to buy one? If so make a fair offer over PM. It's a nice little gizmo, but I don't use it much.
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I saw nofilmschool recently has a post on varying aspect ratios in recently new films, I guess it's a way to be different, And it's better serve the story visually.
Taylor wants you to focus on her music, not image, that's what I can tell when I watched that video on my tiny iPhone 5 screen. :-)
I missed that article...have there been any films that are pushing close to 4:1? Not that I've seen.
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Ok, I should maybe rephrase, and say why outside of music videos is their an adherence to Academy ratios?
And I would wager a large percentage of the 272 million viewers of this video watched on an iphone and didn't mind the lost real estate one bit...
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As far as I'm aware, nothing comes close in optical quality terms. that said, if you grab a century/optex '2 element/fixed focus design', a tokina +0.4 and a wide lens, then stick to m4/3 or smaller and optical quality will be pretty good, and a lot cheaper. You'll have flares, a little anamorphic optical look, but minimal defocus artefacts. if you need all three, full frame and fast lenses, as well as 1.33 or 1.5x the only option is the iscorama or widecreen attachment version of the iscorama.
Don't limit yourself to 1.33x. a 1.5x widescreen2000 is also a viable option, as are the little iscomorphot anamorphics.
Thanks, Rich - good info. In my case I'm looking to use this on a S35 16/9 HD sensor, which sounds like it unfortunately makes the pricey Isco here my best bet...
In truth, Hawk V-Lites fill the exact niche I'm looking for - but are out of my budget to rent. Really wish there were affordable options as there are in the 2x stretch world. Perhaps as you mention 1.5x is the way to go.
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I'm in the market for a 1.33x solution, but I just can't justify $3000.
Are there any known 1.33x projector lenses that could come close when paired with a diopter (SLR magic/FM/cinelux) ?
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I think this is a great approach to stabilization, and also a perfect, real-world use of 4k. Most of us are using 4k footage on HD timelines for cropping flexibility anyway.
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I think Alexas also have a weird curve shoulder too - and it seems to make sense since they imitate the alexa lut very much
Don't alexas clamp saturation while sonys scale it with luminance? Something like that. I hear what you're saying but the post-f35 sonys have a spot-able look and there is a reason behind it.
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Thanks for your workflow on this Ed, and the various helpful tests and shootouts you've posted. I do have to say that the Sony cameras end up looking "lutty" to my eyes. The highlights don't clip but they go into a weird curve-shoulder zone that I don't personally care for. It's a pity as the "f" cameras are becoming very accessible and I want to like their look.
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Unlike the GH4 which sends 10bit over HDMI, the NX1 only sends 8bit (in 4:2:2 space). In theory the ProRes from the Assassin will still be a little better than what you record to SD with it. Maybe someone who has had experience using it with an Shogun or Odyssey can speak to that. I'm curious too.
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Boy I sure wish the NX1 sent 10bit over HDMI, would have made a hell of a combo with this puppy.
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If you really need long focal + handheld you might want to record in FULL HD since the NX1 is one of the best camera for rolling shutter management in Full HD.
Thank you for pointing this out as it often gets ignored: if you switch the NX1 to HD res it's almost a global shutter cam.
When Cinema5d compared shutter speeds in the following chart they had the nerve to show the NX in UHD mode only on the far right - indicating it's the clear loser, while the A7R2 is given its HD crop speed, and the Amira winning even though it's only 2k. In HD the NX would be to the left of the chart. There is a lot of bias against this camera out there.
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The images in this trailer are without flaw; massive amounts of detail, no clipping anywhere, perfect tonal transitions.
And yet my emotional reaction to it is similar to having just watched a cutting edge video game cinematic. It feels like perfect technology on display. Pixel peeper porn. Someone mentioned HFR, and I get that vibe a bit too. Just my personal reaction; and yes I still understand Chivo is a genius, and this is the best camera ever, etc.
Comparing it to the other large format event film this year, "The Hateful Eight"; this single frame that Bill Bennet tweeted (of Richardson's work, after a screening) just looks magnificent to me:
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Looking at the 3D CAD drawing and the photo of the FM+Cinelux+PL-mount with the Amira in the PDF, it seems the exact flange distance is not required. The PL-mount is merely a hollow cylinder accommodating the rear element of the spherical cinelux and allowing it to slide towards or away from the Amira's sensor. Once focus at infinity is achieved, the 3 screws on the PL-mount are used to lock the lens in place.
I ordered 2 spherical lenses for my cinelux and plan to explore getting a PL-mount made with CNC.
Marco
Please post if you have luck with it Marco. I attempted to use a Schneider back after reading the Hobbs paper, but found it very difficult and frustrating to get the exact right sensor distance, by sliding/locking along rails. The step resolution of rail increments seemed too coarse, hence why I determined a proper mount with a set flange distance was needed. Pity, I'd love to have sharp F2! Good luck with your explorations.
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Rook, thank-you so much for restarting this thread and also the link to Boyd Hobbs' very informative writeup!
I love the look of the FM module + cinelux but have yet to use it with a taking lens shorter than the 58mm (Helios). Using 15mm LW rods, setup is very straightforward, but swapping out the taking lens is a real pain. Also, except for cinelux I had little luck with my other anamorphic adapters. I was looking forward to using my Isco ultra star. :/
Quite intrigued with Boyd Hobbs' very clever solution. The pl mount option is extremely appealing to me since I recently acquired a Sony F3 - hope BH is willing to share his 3D design.
Thanks again,
Marco
I agree about the Hobbs project, also intrigued. He casually alludes to printing a PL adapter he 3d printed that takes Schneider spherical backs. But how did he come up with the measurements for the adapter, namely flange distance?
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You'll be happy with switch. The NX will give you pleasing punchy warm colors out of the box, without the need for a color wheel session to make the footage presentable.
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Q. can samsung NX1 autofocus through a shoot through anamorphic adapter?
New Face recognition autofocus looks incredible for narrative film making.
i dont have NX1 to test but was wondering if anymore new if the autofocus would possibly , isco 2000 for example.?
Nope. Also can't lock focus to infinity with a fly by wire NX lens. Old manual lenses are better for this.
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I saved the article as a PDF. You can read it here:
Very cool that he used the Schneider spherical backs. But how did he enforce exact flange distance with the printed mount adapter?
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Focus related question: when a manual lens is attached I can hit Ok and get magnification and peaking. I'd like to do the exact same thing when a Samsung lens is attached (ie not the timed mag/peak you get with a focus turn). Possible?
why is this "too wide?"
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I'll get right on that.