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11 hours ago, fuzzynormal said:

Be sure to check out http://f16.click Kevin Mullins' blog for more insight about the Xpro2 if you're interested.

I am interested but also a little torn between one of the X100 serie (S or T) or the XPro 2. OK the XPro 2 has the option to chance lenses, on the other hand with the X100 serie you can't and don't have to. I bought the A6000 for pictures (and a nice 1080p extra) next to my 2 GM1's, an A7S-classic and a BMPCC. The price difference between a XPro 2 (with a 35mm lens) and a X100T is also quiet big. 2200 vs 1200 euro. The X100S I have seen for 800 euro. If I sell my A6000 and buy the XPro2 I can take picture's and have a nice 1080p. Alternative I could keep the A6000 and buy the X100T as an extra.

Any thoughts,

Thanks

I like it, nice colors and detail.

13 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Absolutely, we all owe you one for the early A6300 coverage and you guys went out of your way to deliver...

Yes very unfair of me to make it sound like I was lumping people together.

If I had judged everyone the same I would have had to include myself in that as I have been to Sony press events for cameras organised in Berlin. I went to one for the a7R II for instance. They served us free champagne. I drank it. Went home. Wrote that the full frame 4K image looked like a dog had done a crap. I think this is really important in the industry. The PR company hasn't been in touch since. Sony however... have. I think they prefer honest feedback above the relationship bridge building bullshit any-day.

Personally I think their influence is becoming pervasive and it is rare to see someone come back from one of these events and raise an issue with the camera in public.

When you and Chris came back from Miami though you did a balanced video on it and the information was extremely useful for everyone thinking of buying the camera or not.

In the end people can tell if we are being balanced and they can tell when a site like DPReview is going down the drain with advertorial.

Hopefully also a site which still refuses to carry advertising (like mine) still means something.

I'm not sure it does any more.

Anyway, from the bottom of my heart be sure that I did not mean to lump your superb efforts in with the real intended target of my barbed comments, which were aimed at a minority online and not the good guys like you. I mean that.

Also, it's great to see you on the forum, hope you stick around, despite my occasional rants

Cine 4 is looking superb on the A6300.

None of the colour issues of the Creative Styles or the vast majority of the other Picture Profiles (ITU 709 particularly horrid)

I've graded it lightly with Fujiflm Velvia in Film Convert's a7s profile for Cine4.

I am astounded by the image quality of this camera for $1000... Take a look at that detail close up in 100% view if you download the frame grab below... it is FLAWLESS. Whatever 6K to 4K scaling method they have on the new processor... it works.

I prefer this image to my FS5.

Worth the upgrade from the A6000 if the end result will be 1080? and stills.

Thanks for posting this early impressions.

Love it..very good job. Great timing with the screaming seagull

14 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

5. It is FAST and the LENSES are lovely. AF and general speed of operation is a big improvement from the X Pro 1. Then there's the lenses 35mm F2.0 WR, small and affordable. 56mm F1.2, creamy like a Noctilux. I also love the 18-55mm F2.8-4 zoom, it is small and well above average for an APS-C zoom of this kind, 35mm F1.4 is slower to focus and has no OIS but it is a lovely piece of glass, 23mm F1.4 also a stunner.

 

Here is the info that I missed, thanks. Can/will you show some clips?

3 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Rolling shutter not much of a concern especially in 60p, but haven't tortured it yet. Will be interesting to see how it compares to the NX1's 1080/60p/120p which has hardly any skew.

Viewfinder refresh is 85fps so not much of an issue in there either.

For stills, the AF is more impressive than the A7S and high ISOs perfectly usable up to 12,800. Some of the film simulation modes even benefit from higher ISOs especially the black and white ones which tend to like 2000-3200. So it's a good low light camera.... Not quite full frame good, but good nevertheless.

Going to get the 35mm F2.0 WR for it as that has more modern AF, snappy and silent like the 18-55mm F2.8-4, I believe. 35mm F1.4 is a bit rough.

Oh and the screen is a thing of beauty... 1.6m dot, beautifully sharp, seems similar to the panel Nikon have used on the D5 and D500

Looks great, maybe I can let go my GH4 (for me no fun to take pictures with) and keep my 2 GM1's, BMPCC and the A7S  and get this attractive cam..even with the flaws. What lenses would you advice. I think with IS would be nice.

2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Why not just get the A7S used then? It isn't much more expensive.

The 1080/60p is good in APS-C mode on the A7S. Excellent in fact.

Not much good in full frame mode though.

The D5500 and D750 also shoot very good 1080/60p.

I didn't know that, to use the A7S in APS-C mode for 1080/60p. Thanks

41 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Just pick up a Nikon D7000 for pics and get something else for video.

As stills cameras are pretty damn good now even older cheaper ones. You can pickup a D7000 for next to nothing these days secondhand 

I will give it a good thought..thanks

5 hours ago, The Chris said:

How about a different direction, Speedboosters and an external recorder like the Ninja Assassin to get 4k out of the A7s?

I thought about that, and its still a good idea..but than I still would like to have a cam for pictures (A7R?)

Thanks The Chris, Nicolas and IronFilm..really helpful.

29 minutes ago, Cinegain said:

That's the million dollar question of course. But think about it. You already have the GH4 and A7S with a great amount of adaptability and lenses. Canon would be an oddball in your collection.

The GH4 does great 4K, the A7S is a lowlight stud. Briefly touching stills for a sec; if you're anything like me, the Micro Four Thirds system just doesn't really cut it, although Olympus does a decent job. The A7S kinda misses that resolution. Having said that, in terms of video the GH4 for the money obviously does great 4K in enough light, but excells especially when used with focal reducers and adapted glass (and external recording)... so that might hint you that APS-C and FF aesthetics are a bit more like it. Admittedly the Nikon D5300/D5500 does capture some nice things from that APS-C sensor... it's just not mirrorless, video-friendly and 4K...

The A7S doesn't do internal 4K and the color on it is regarded to be a little iffy to work with at times. Here comes the A6300 with the new Sony sensor tech. I think it could actually be inspired by what Samsung was doing there... the chip and readout infrastructure seems greatly improved. One thing the new sensor has going for it is that every sensory cell actually takes in a bit more light now, that improves sensitivity and color accuracy. Going from aluminium to copper has upped the signal quality, so overall I'm expecting an up in quality including better noise control. You get a whole lot of features seen in the other line-ups, the RX10M2 and RX100M4 started that with internal XAVC S 4K and HFR, just for the A7RII and A7SII to hit it out of the park. Yeah, they didn't include in-body stabilization, but still... nicely done 4K and the S-Log 2 and 3 profiles! Gotta await reviews covering the final production version of it... but the A7RII APS-C/S35 crop mode is actually fairly impressive when it comes to lowlight/noise performance and rendering of details. If that translates to the A6300 as well that sounds like a winner. And remember, you can still get yourself a nice E-mount focal reducer and slap on some fullframe glass in order to get close to that FF-like magic. I'm curious to see whether this will have black sun spots and handles intense bright colors as poorly as previous Sony cameras. But just look at this:

If they can get that from the A7RII in S35, one of the reasons it took them so long to bring out the A6000's successor at all might just be waiting for the tech and implementation to reach a high. It takes internal 4K from the GH4, mixes it with Samsung NX1/Nikon D5500 APS-C S35 feel, upping the quality by quite a bit, to have something nice 'n allround to shoot both stills and video with. A7-style shooting, but keeping out the fullframe tech (but the speedboosting option open!).

Again. It's still waiting for the make it or break it reviews... but I already went and bought an E-mount conversion kit for the Veydras last year in the hopes of Sony doing something like this. Because I don't per se need fullframe. I don't care much for expensive bodies and most preferably like to keep lens size down, making thins a bit more manageable. APS-C seems to be my personal sweetspot, as I've grown to love the stills capability of the D5300 and the overall APS-C look and performance. Just misses the mirrorless features. Could the A6300 be the answer? I'd like to think so... especially when it's rumored Panasonic isn't going to do anything radical any day soon and Samsung has thrown in the towel... and Olympus and Fujifilm of course striving to be known for their stills capability which takes the spotlight, with video features suppressed in the shadow wastelands. Canon? Not if it's DSLR, not for me and the EOS-M doesn't cut it. Nikon? I'd like to see them do a crossover between a D5500/D750 and Samsung NX1, sure... but Canon & Nikon haven't been overly eager putting aside their traditional concept of what a camera should be like and exploring new grounds.

Thanks (dank je) Cinegain, you 'shoot' me in the right direction, let's see what the 6300 can bring to (my) table. It will be here in a few weeks I think? If I don't like it,  I can always go back to canon, can't I? (*-*)

29 minutes ago, sandro said:

nx1? pics are not like full frame of course...

Hello Sandro,

The NX1 is not my thing although I think it can be a great tool. I had one for a week, of course struggled with the codec..but I think that's solved now. And now they're

closing the camera line..mmm No thanks but thanks for the suggestion. 

32 minutes ago, Cinegain said:

The A6300 though...

I thought about that..how about picture quality can it keep up (except FF) with the canon? What are you're thoughts..I think it will be useful in my film setup, for sure.

34 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

ML changes everything.

Unless you need 4K and HFR, you will struggle to get a more pleasing 1080p image than the 5DIII with raw

Thanks Jimmy, 4 K and HFR is nice and maybe the raw workflow is to much, but it's nice to hear about the 1080p pleasing image, and is the Raw workflow a struggle. (macbook pro 2015)..I

Actually I like to buy a A7Rii but it's a lot of money to spent.

How are you guys think about the A7R?

Thanks

Thanks guys, very useful..it got 26.230 clicks and there is also a SD card with ML on it..The seller says if I put the card in the slot it will booth up with ML and when I don't it it will booth up 'normally'.

The doubt has also to do with the fact, what else can I get for around 1500/1600 euro's what makes very good pic's and will be a nice match for my GH4 and A7S ( I also got 2 GM1 and some nice m43 lenses and two nice old FD lenses, the 35mm 2.0 and the (FL) 55mm1.2. I got 1 sony 28-70mm FE lens.)

decisions decisions...  

I can buy a Canon 5D m3 extra battery, 2x 8gb cards, 2x 16gb cards and a Kinotehnik LCDVF viewfinder for 1500euro, want to use next to an GH4 and a A7s and also for pictures..

How do you think about that? I have to decide tonight...Thanks for any input.

I once had this nice cam and than I moved to a A7S and a GH4. So I still have some lenses for it..Now I can buy a second hand for 500 euro's

I love the stabilization and the pic's..and heard that the film function optimized. 

What are you thoughts.

Thanks

Where can I find this?

thanks

Look what this guy did with the imperfect colors of the original A7S:

I agree with Dean, its very interesting.

Thanks for posting this inspiring  song from a very good band & very nice studio..I love it. Listen to it a couple times now, off course with headphones.

And Bunny Suit deserves a lot of attention. For me this is about music and not about camera's so Andrew I think you did a great job.

​I am glad that I sold my EM1 and bought the GH4 (next to my Sony A7S) and not went for the EM5II..

Love it!

Good luck on the countryside and also good luck for NY without you..

Greets for you're companion, dog & 6 (why not)  friends.

Hope to see your'e next short soon.

Or canon FD's  with a 'normal' FD to M43 or a RJ (speedbooster) FD to M43 for around 100,- 

​I saw that too and indeed the IBIS is good but not flawless, thanks for posting.

​Thanks Flynn,

The IBIS, is great but..the Gh4 seems much more detailed and for my studio shots (live band recordings in a well lit studio) that would be more useful..if I would buy it for home, free work, fun and holidays (all important) I would buy the EM5 mk2 without doubt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y2JHPedpe4

​Thanks,

For focusing on the A7S, I don't use sony lenses..but older FD lenses and have no problem with the focus ( I am recording pop bands in my recording studio) 

I think the GH4 is a good cam to put next to the A7S and the GM1..Gh4 4k wide angle for total shot ( no operator) and option to zoom pan etc..

The GM1 for the drumset ( no operator)  and the A7S on a tripod with dolly for the moving shots.

​Thanks for the link.

Did you saw some GH4 vs EM5 mk2 video, somewhere?