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Thanks! Makes sense, Im surprised that render times etc seem to be quicker too

Im surprised nobodys interested in the topic, everybody moved to FCPX?

Thanks but maybe i wasnt clear, its not what i meant, i am interested (like most i guess?) in using 4k material and all its benefits to produce 1080 video..

but what im seeing with premiere is that editing / rendering performance seems to be faster in a 4k timeline, you can still use 1080 footage or graphics double size or crop 4k to half size as you know the final output will be half size.. On top of that theres the warp stabilizer issues mentioned above.

I guess the final export might be slower but Im much more interested in the editing performance..

Wondering if anyone else is experiencing the same? (Im using Premiere Pro CC 2014 and a Macbook pro 2014)

OK, another reply to myself but just made some tests and in fact render times seem to be dramatically quicker with the exact same clip and effect using a native 4k timeline compared to a 1080 one with the clip downscaled 50%..

Im wondering why many people are recommending working in a 1080 timeline?

Curious about other peoples experiences in any case..

The only way I can see is to manually change the sequence settings of the nested clip to 4k dimensions, and apply the warp stabiliser there, seems like a super impractical workflow though!

Im a bit confused, as editing 4k in a 1080 timeline the big advantage is cropping and being able to stabilize and keep a good 1080 quality but..

In premiere you need to nest the clip to warp stabilize as the frame size is different, but then warp stabilizer will automatically scale to a certain percentage, but isnt scaling the nested clip cropping a 1080 version and therefore not making use of the high quality 4k 'master' clip?

I had been working in a 4k timeline and downsizing at export but it seems this is much more processor intensive as all the effects and timeline processing need to work in 4k..

I guess a workaround is not to let warp stabilizer autoscale and manually scale the nested clip? Any thoughts about the correct workflow appreciated!

EDIT: No, manually scaling the nested sequence and turning off auto scaling in the timeline doesnt work, will leave you with black borders, now Im really confused!

You could work with a lower gamma setting on your MB if you feel its not giving you what you want (and dont use the super contrasty monitor to judge..) Whats it set to at the moment?

not that it tells you much but i think the black levels look about perfect in the clip..

Do you use scopes? When did you calibrate the MB last? Maybe the problems with your ipad/tv??

Just a couple of thoughts!

​Wow Ebrahim, that sounds pretty radical! Isnt it a good idea to wait and see whats coming in the next days/weeks??

For me no matter how good the image is and how low the price is lack of flipscreen/touchscreen, peaking, live histogram and IBIS would make me think twice, not that I need all of them but for the high price I think the 1DC still leaves quite a lot of boxes unticked.

​its exciting because its a lot more than the 20 something it has now and GH3/4 dont have IBIS

according to wikipedia consumer business is 36.9% which includes cameras, calculators, scanners, home printers etc..

in any case i dont think big nasty multinational shareholder/ceo profits are an issue worth losing too much sleep over  (unless youre ceo or shareholder i guess)

less than a third of Canons business is in cameras though so a dropping share price is not likely related to the features filmmakers are missing in their DSLRs

Its a good question, Ive used a ND8 solely in bright conditions before with a GH3 and 12-35 2.8 and it was almost always enough, sometimes I wished it was a touch darker, if possible and if you really only can afford one I would look for something in between (16 or 32), with the FZ1000 lens being slightly slower then you should be fine.

hmm, but 'raising blacks in post' is simply assigning lighter value to the darkest pixels, you can do that with any video of any sensor without any problem, youre in effect 'squashing' the DR after its recorded, but if you squash it before its recorded youre going to have less information when you expand it later in post (for example with a LUT or contrast added)..

Again, just my thoughts, if its not correct someone can fill in with the science..

Edit: Just read the link above, it explains it better but conclusion is - dont touch the MP! 

​Isnt it best to give the camera/codec the whole range to work with and raise the blacks in post? Correct me if Im wrong but I think raising blacks just makes it look like theres more DR but the result is kind of the opposite?? (or maybe the same?)

Hey Ebrahim, I would agree, I think this is a D5300 with touchscreen (not a bad thing at all!) but you never know fingers crossed for the d7200! I'm patiently delaying camera purchases hoping Nikon will be the one..

My dream camera situation:

Nikon bring their D7200 with 4k in February along with announcements of firmware updates with their new 'I am advancing' programme for their high end cameras for 4k (and focus peaking please!)

http://nikonrumors.com/2015/01/10/nikon-cp-announcement-d7200-j5-p900-aw130-1958-p610-l840-s9900-s7000-and-s3700-cameras.aspx/

http://nikonrumors.com/2015/01/08/nikon-to-announce-a-new-firmware-download-program-on-january-19th-including-several-improvements-for-the-d750-d810-d800-d800e-d610-and-d600-cameras.aspx/

A long shot but not impossible!
 

So uhm, why not the Rode video mic pro?

new nikon rumored to be possibly announced on monday..

It's a $5K camera that you can take out of the box, plug in a microphone, start shooting and it looks great. What is wrong with that exactly?

not sure it will look all that great without a lens though  :)

sure, definitely a good idea to test!

hmm.. noise reduction, whether neat video or in camera should probably only be used when necessary, like when shooting high ISOs because you had no other choice..

High setting noise reduction makes everything look a little rubbery/plasticky generally..

Wow, where did that come from?

This seems to have had almost no coverage, must be to do with the fact Rode sponsor almost every video blog!

Recently I got Shure VP83F shotgun mic with build-in recorder,

The black-orb problem with BM is still an issue, from what I understand.

I'm pretty sure it was fixed

Doesn't have to be ideal to be effective. 

Sure, course not, Im just trying to ask for those who use this technique how have the results been generally? I shot a theatre performance with 1 camera with the intention of cropping to simulate 2 cameras but the results were pretty dissapointing.. 

Definitely 4K is top of my list of priorities for any new cameras, even if not ideal, for my own run&gun work it will be surely invaluable

effective tool but maybe not ideal unfortunately, have many people had success in cropping this way? I had bad experience in that the images dont cut well as the grain/noise is increased..