The mainstream media needs to be destroyed, and we need to do it. In: Cameras Posted November 13, 2016 On 11/12/2016 at 0:42 PM, mercer said: I was waiting for you to use the popular vote argument... I figured you would. But yes, Clinton did get the most votes, she just lost the popular vote in enough states where it mattered. Between that and your earlier assertion that Obama had a successful eight years, leads me to believe you just regurgitate DNC talking points. Please go back and read the post I was responding to. The majority of "The American People" did not vote for Trump. It is totally unfair to blame us for all the bigotry, sexism, xenophobia, and ugliness he spewed. I voted for Obama, twice. I take responsibility for the good things he did and the wrong decisions he made. Trump voters should take responsibility for their choice. I don't want people around the world getting upset at "The American People". Most of us are in the same camp as them. And that is not an "argument". That is a FACT. You need to learn the difference between opinion and objective FACTS. As far as Democratic talking points are concerned, I wish the fact the Democratic agenda Hillary Clinton pushed got the most votes was a Democratic talking point. It would be nice. If you want to see the Democratic talking points google "DNC". It is laughable. Everyone is running around with their hair on fire asking "what went wrong". There is tons of talk about putting a black Muslim in charge of the DNC. A 75 year old socialist is saying with a straight face that he is not ruling out running for president. Let me get this straight you win an election by potentially millions of votes and your reaction is OH MY GOD throw the baby out with the bath water and change our whole message. Only in America would a party that has won the largest block of voters in 6 of the last 7 elections over a multidecade period say they need to change everything. There is not a single Christian, western, first world democracy that I know of where the candidate who won an election by millions of votes would be declared to have had the wrong message. And not just slightly wrong, burn down the whole party and start over wrong. It is absurd. Also this next part is to the forum not you. I never said Obama had a successful eight years. I have no idea why mercer made that up. Obama hasn't even been in office eight years and presidential legacies cannot be fully judged for years after they leave office. I supported Bill Clinton. I like just about everyone else in both parties supported his repeal of Glass Steagall. Well how many years did it take for us to see the full effects of that little decision? I now strongly disagree with that action. Even Newt Gingrich has admitted it was probably a mistake. I don't know the long term effect of Obama's actions on Cuba nor Iran. So anyone saying that I declared Obama's entire presidency a "success" is lying... the way Trump makes up simplistic lies that a minority of Americas believe. I don't have the time nor energy to go through the rest of that post and debunk everything else that was said. The one thing I will say again is let's at least get some objective facts and agree on them. Donald Trump is legally president of the United States. The majority of voters did not vote for him nor his ideas. Hillary Clinton got the largest block of voters in this election and actually won by a bigger margin than Nixon, JFK, Gore and of course George W Bush among others. These are FACTS.