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9 hours ago, Mattias Burling said:

 MF is only for Nazis.

The Nazis only used MF? Can someone confirm this?

Will be very curious to see the codec and bit rate on the 4k files....

3 hours ago, AaronChicago said:

If its going to have DPAF then why would anyone pay double for a 1DXii? Doesn't sound like a Canon move.

I predict they will hold back DPAF, 4K 60p, log and the 4k will be a APSC crop. 

2 hours ago, Mattias Burling said:

Over heating, sluggishness and banding. You get what you pay for.

But I seriously doubt it will be twice the cost. 

I don't think it will have it. The average 5D buyer doesn't care about that. Imo ML Raw is higher on the list of what I would want.

BS, you get what you pay for. There is such a thing as VALUE. Some things have more inherent value than others because of the amount of performance they deliver per unit of cost.

Given their lacklustre innovation and purposeful feature-hampering, the Canon's offer poor value for the money. What you're paying for, is brand recognition. If you're fully aware and fine with that, then yes, I suppose you "get what you pay for". But if you're looking for performance, you are unlikely getting what you're paying for when you buy the $3500 5D IV.   

18 hours ago, Rinad Amir said:

Internal 4K

120fps at 1080p

Built-in Wi-Fi

Built-in GPS

Touchscreen

BG-E20 new battery grip

Red autofocus point in AI servo mode

Price around $3,500 USD at launch

To be announced in late August/early September

To be released in October, 2016

source:

http://www.cameraegg.org/confirmed-5d-mark-iv-have-internal-4k-120fps-at-1080p-being-testing-by-preferred-photographers/

The question for me will be not whether or not it will have 4K - that much is fairly certain - it is how much of a crop it will be?

24 minutes ago, Michael Ma said:

The 5D series is probably Canon's biggest money maker.  They got to get it right.  With that said, it needs C-Log.  Whoever suggested that C-Log is only for cameras with the C emblem needs to be fired from Canon.  Terrible decisions like this probably cost Canon millions of dollars.  But if Canon released the 5D4c for people that want it, it would say that they are listening to their customers.

Especially since it's just a software add that's already been developed. Costs nothing to add c-log.

I really enjoyed this music video and also wanted to share with everyone my narrative feature:

https://vimeo.com/120444346

4 hours ago, Ebrahim Saadawi said:

The cat can be as valuable as 1 hundred 1Dxs put to together to someone, it's a living being, a family, could be considered priceless. If that's something not film and document with cameras I don't know what is. We're not all buying camera to shoot narrative filmmaking. 

You guys are hilarious. I was just teasing about the cat video. It's as good a test subject as anything else (except it lacks a good skin tone example:))

Nevertheless, a $15,000 cat is outrageous given that more than half of the humans in this world have no electricity and live on less than $1 per day.

I guess for you guys with $6,000 4k cameras and $15,000 cats, you may not be aware of this reality, but I encourage you to research the matter. 

How about a D500 1080p image, 24 or 60p?

22 hours ago, karoliina said:

One still frame from unedited video shot in Cinestyle: 
Flat cat and two grade attempts.

 

Cinestyle ungraded and graded, 1DX mark II frame capture.

 

Ahhh....yes. Buying a $6,000 camera to take cat videos. 

I understand some lenses out there actually appreciate in value over time. 

Wanted to get your guys' feedback on which modern lenses you think might be more valuable down the road than they are today. 

Anyone have any insight on the 1080p image on the D500? We all know the limitations of the D500's 4k acquisition, but how about 1080p? Is it as good as the D750? Is cropped beyond APS-C? How's the 60p 1080 image? Would be curious to hear if any improvements were made in this department and if it's comparable or better than the D750's image.  

Is it confirmed that 60p is better on APSC mode on the a7s then FF? In what way?

3 hours ago, henryp said:

There seem to be two issues here -- our schedule and deleted product reviews. One at a time. B&H's schedule is on our site at http://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/HelpCenter/HoursOfOperation.jsp.There are two week-long events but in general I think the comment, "many weeks per year" is hyperbole. We appreciate some days we're closed do not conform to mainstream US or Christian holidays but they are unavoidable. We take pains to ensure customers are aware of each event well in advance with notices on our site, our Facebook profile, Twitter, our email newsletters etc. You wrote, "I didn't pay attention..." I am sorry you did not but I do not think it is reasonable to hold that against us. YMMV

Reviews get vetted by PowerReviews before we get them and are then vetted again by us before they're published. Once they are, anyone can click to flag a review for any reason at all. That immediately takes the review offline until it can be vetted yet again. If you have an issue with one or more particular reviews please email henryp[at]bhphoto.com and I'll be happy to inquire.

Once upon a time, 20 years ago this may have been true but today our staff is as diverse as NYC itself.

Some employees are Hasidic; some are non-Hasidic orthodox Jews; some are less observant or non-observant Jews. Some are Christians or Muslims or
Zoroastrians. At least one is an outspoken atheist. There's no "reserve in NJ." There are communities in NJ and in suburban NY and in Brooklyn where like minded families tend to live near one another for support and convenience. The buses are run by a private company with no relationship to B&H or to our management. Some smart person saw a business opportunity and began a bus service. Anyone who wishes can by a one-day or monthly ticket and ride. I don't but I'm the atheist and I don't live near the bus routes so I use Metro-North. Regarding Christian holidays, we're closed Christmas Day.

Henry, since you interjected in the discussion and indicated that you have a diverse population of employees, do you care to comment on the lawsuit filed by the US Department of Labor accusing B&H of discrimination against women and minorities, including the practice of segregation?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/29/us/bh-photo-lawsuit/

The article states that "B&H has been sued in recent years by Hispanic and female employees who charged the company with similar claims.The company settled a similar discrimination case with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission for $4.3 million in 2007."

B&H also has a history of discrimination suits (women and minorities). Not sure if this matters to anyone but figured I would share to add to the discussion. Google it. 

15 hours ago, DBounce said:

They don't... The Canon is in a whole other class. Even in low-light where most cameras will struggle, the 1DX Mkii finds focus. It really is... and I mean this... a game changer.

How about file size? I've read the 1DXii files are gigantic, particularly the 4k 60p (10 seconds = 1 gig). Are these cameras in the same category? Not sure, one is more than twice the price of the other. 

1 hour ago, JurijTurnsek said:

A proper comparison would be:

A7SII vs A6300 + Speedbooster, the lens staying the same (you get the same FOV and DOF). The price difference is much less dramatic, but still not small. And A7SII has IS with any lens.

You get same FOV and DOF but you're not getting the F2.8 that you're getting with the speed booster. You are getting higher sensitivity with the A7sii so perhaps its 6 of one and half dozen of the other.

Would be curious to hear how IBIS compares with in-lens IS. 

18 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

LOL Sure. Who cares such crap? ;-)

@OP: G7 x4 units owner here. You can feel safe with any of both (G7 or a6300), that is, if you know to properly shoot as due, RS, overheating, etc won't be much of a deal breaker. Both capture devices can offer you a picture for big screen, oh yeah, if and when necessary. No need to break the bank.

G7 is highly functional but simply is not filmic enough. The aesthetic is poor - part of it is sensor size, part of it is color science. All depends on your needs but all things being equal, you're more likely to produce an aesthetic that is more film-like with an a6300 than a G7.

4 hours ago, hmcindie said:

Wouldn't it be easier and almost cheaper to just get an A7sII? Or even the A7s I which I consider to be much better than the a6300.

A7sii + 24-70 F2.8 G lens = $5000+

a6300 + 24-105 F4 (Canon/Sigma) + Speedbooster = $1800.

Big difference in my mind. Plus you get the extra reach of the 24-105 and IS!! Comparable image. A7sii maybe 2-stops better in low light. But I'll take the $3000 in my pocket. 

I had it. Very sharp lens. Couldn't stand the focus by wire though, particularly in dark environments. 

All three look like mushy garbage. I'm saving my money until 6k comes out...

Add a speedbooster and Canon 24-105 F4 IS lens and you have a 24-105 F2.8 IS full frame cinema machine that puts out a 4k image downsampled from 6k in a log profile with a pleasant noise profile for $1000 and I'll be happy to switch batteries every 30 minutes... 

On 08/05/2016 at 1:52 PM, lafilm said:

It is a fact the new Canon 5D Mark 4 will have 4K.

Will it have 4K 60p, like the new Canon 1DX Mark ii?

NO.

Remember, the original 1D X was superior in image quality and low light to the 5D3.

This will not change. Pony up the 6K or be happy with the Mark 4 with 24p 4K.

And YES, I do believe in Santa Claus. 

It's hard to believe that after 4 years time, the 5D IV will lack the video features to legitimately compete with an a6300.  

On another note, Andrew, I applaud you for not only remaining impartial amidst this sycophantic, crony atmosphere but also for exposing the despicable system of incentivization and reprisals going on behind the scenes that compromises the integrity of competing reviewers. Thank you. It's so refreshing in this day and age, 

43 minutes ago, CMB said:

It begins with resolution. If acceptable resolution isn't there, none of the qualities you listed matter all that much. People don't buy TV sets for wider DR and and better color rendition. They buy for better image clarity. Everything you enumerated does indeed matter, but the starting point is resolution. 

5 minutes ago, Ebrahim Saadawi said:

Compared to the GH2 it has much much higher lowlight performance, better colours, lower rolling shutter, higher DR, bigger sensor,

I can't see how it's not at least GH2 standard for you. Did you try it? I did. It's a much higher quality video than a GH2, actually even GH4 the 80D exceeds it in IQ by colours, RS, bigger sensor, much better lowlight performance, while the GH4 has higher sharpness and better aliasing suppression. 

I don't understand how people define image quality nowadays.

*Hint:it's more than just sharpness, or aliasing... 

 

It begins with resolution. If acceptable resolution isn't there, none of the qualities you listed matter all that much. People don't buy TV sets for wider DR and and better color rendition. They buy for better image clarity. Everything you enumerated does indeed matter, but the starting point is resolution. 

25 minutes ago, CMB said:

This thread is now 20% facts. 30% misinformation and 50% "Waghh! Why won't canon put their 4K cinema tech in a camera for $500 bucks just for me." Gotta love the Internet.

I've had the 80D nearly two weeks now. It's fine. Video quality is actually improved regarding moire as has been mentioned in countless reviews but nobody wants to hear that. 

I noticed Andrew didn't reply to my mention of him bashing the XC10 on release and now buying one months later. So I figure if we fast forward a year he'll buy an 80D and label that a 'cinema dark horse' too.  

This is a $1,200 camera in 2016. I expect quality at least at the standard of a $1000 camera in 2013 (GH2). 

I don't need the 4K. Just give me high-quality 1080p, some kind of LOG and codec that's at least slightly less brittle than a piece of dry toast. Give me something that approaches that of an A7s or GH3 and I'll cut Canon some slack and commend them for the DP-AF. 

6 hours ago, Mattias Burling said:

I bought the NX1 pretty shortly after the relese. That was not "years ago" and definetelly not when the GH3 was released. And the NX1 has its own problems. Or is being discontinued a new and fresh feature?

This constant bashing of cameras by people that have never ever used them is getting so old. 

I dont find the 80D all that exciting, but Ive never used it. So I dont bash it until I have.

I absolutely hate my rx100iv, but I still dont constantly post bs in the rx100iv thread. The G7 is one of the worst cameras Ive used, but I let those who are interested discuss it in peace without unfunny jokes and bogus links. I would rather jam a fork in my eye than get a a6300, but I dont feel the need to tell every one that have bought it how wrong they are...

Im out until someone actually has the camera.

Give me a break. We don't live in the dark ages any more - other people can test the camera and you can go view the results on youtube or vimeo. You can tell the footage coming off the 80d is glorified 720p. Other cameras have their limitations. There is no perfect camera. But there is no excuse for a company with the equity of Canon to be producing cameras that shoot soft, moire-ridden 1080p in 2016. I expect Fuji or Sigma to do this, but not Canon. Not a company with a well-established Cinema line and a low marginal cost of letting innovation trickle down to the enthusiast level if they only wanted to. I think Canon should be openly criticized for this approach and I don't need to order and go through the rigors of testing and posting low-grade footage to substantiate my frustration. The camera is intentionally hampered, the codec is outdated and the resolution is not up to snuff. I have no qualms in saying that. I've seen enough test footage posted by others - including Canon themselves - to make that determination. Those who needlessly stifle innovation deserve to be bashed. But I also expect legions of apologists like yourself to stubbornly try and find a silver lining in what they do. I don't understand it, but I nevertheless expect it.