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On 11/18/2016 at 10:47 PM, TheRenaissanceMan said:

Huh...I'm not familiar with that. Is it possible to get an uncompressed frame of that to play with? I think most of us have never had the privilege, and it'd be interesting to see what that sensor can do in RAW.

http://blog.abelcine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/AbelRaw-Workshop.zip

13 hours ago, TheRenaissanceMan said:

Any chance you can share a DNG from the C500?

The Odyssey records in Canon's .rmf raw format.

3 minutes ago, Dan Wake said:

thx and 12 bit?

Add a stop for each additional bit.

Also, Canon raw has a high black level, as well as some (tinted) headroom above the nominal white level. Truncated Canon 12-bit linear would actually be around 11.5 bits.

9 hours ago, Dan Wake said:

why it's not pretty sight?

Not enough usable dynamic range. Around 6-7 stops.

1 minute ago, Nikkor said:

I read something like that in the thread.

I don't see anything mentioned about this in the linked thread.

4 minutes ago, Nikkor said:

There is supposed to be some sort of compression going on, so it's not just truncated.

Link?

On 11/3/2016 at 6:38 AM, Ed_David said:

I can't edit anything with resolve.  I mean, it's free. But it is slow and sluggish.  man I'm loving premiere.

I find Resolve excellent for online editing of raw footage (CinemaDNG). Infinitely smoother than Premiere.

Don't get too excited just yet, cause 10-bit linear raw isn't a pretty sight.

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Sound like you aren't using Magic Lantern? If this is indeed the case you aren't using your Canon camera in all its glory.  

If the Ikonoskop is an indication, it will eventually go WAY down. As all digital equipment does. Digital doesn't age well for obvious reasons.

1 hour ago, Zach Goodwin said:

I am following your blog.

Thx, not much going on there lately though. Buried in work.   </offtopic>

15 hours ago, AaronChicago said:

That's a nice new feature. Proxy workflow is great as well. I can't believe that they're still not supporting Blackmagic 4:1 RAW.

This may have more to do with Blackmagic than Adobe.

16 minutes ago, cantsin said:

Resolve will never be as fast as NLEs like Premiere and FCPX since it prioritizes display quality over playback performance. As a color grading program, it has to do so. In this respect, it is quite comparable to After Effects (which has been designed with the same quality-over-speed priority).

Resolve is way faster than Premiere in pretty much everything except decoding/encoding of some formats (h.264 for example). It is entirely GPU accelerated on the processing side and you can go real-time on fairly modest systems.

25 minutes ago, jgharding said:

I'd love to use it, but the whole system of defining mediia pools and project directories and so on is very irritating coming from Premiere, where I just manage all my media and folders myself and drag and drop.

They could do with making it more friendly like that in V13

Drag and drop into the media pool works fine in Resolve?

7 minutes ago, zerocool22 said:

Yeah the 5D III RAW is something else, I really love the look of the damned thing. Only the workflow and file sizes of the RAW files are such a headache. I know I wont shoot any b-roll because It eats too much damned disk space. Where the canon cinema line really puts down small files that look almost as good as the 5D III RAW files. So that is something to consider. 

5dm3 raw storage is in the ballpark of ProRes. Now the size of an Alexa 65 raw frame... this is something else. 

1 minute ago, Nikkor said:

Does this mean, the camera does not debayer, but instead of linear data per pixel with 14bits, it's converted to 10bits in a log space. So in the end it acts like standard raw, with compressed higher values like you said?

Exactly.

Even after whites compression there is still plenty of tonal info in there (more values per stop than in Cineon film scans, for example).

12 minutes ago, Oliver Daniel said:

Awesome. 

I think DJI could really improve this product if they added ProRes recording. Surely they have the ability to do this? 

If you are on Mac you can export ProRes from their ssd offload app (called cinelight). Probably a better idea to do this yourself in Resolve though.

29 minutes ago, Oliver Daniel said:

 The 1080p RAW looks great.

One thing to keep in mind is x5r 1080p raw drops to 10-bit linear raw at high fps (definitely for 60fps, not sure about 48fps). It's a noticeable drop of quality compared to the 12-bit 1080p raw at lower fps.

10 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

It's not compressed, but it is clipped down to 10bit.

Andrew, c500 raw isn't clipped, clipping would kill a few of the darkest stops. It's C-log encoded into 10 bits, similar to how Arriraw is LogC encoded into 12 bits. This preserve all the tonal resolution in the darks but compresses the extreme linear tonal resolution in the whites. A neat way to save a bit of space without any noticeable loss of quality.

11 minutes ago, BrooklynDan said:

Alexa 65 is a very limited production camera that must be used with 65mm-format glass, which is in very short supply. This new Panavision DXL can be used with a much wider selection of glass. Even windowed down to Super 35, it's still 4K, which opens the opportunity for full 4K anamorphic, which will be a very tempting proposition to cinematographers shooting big budget movies. This might be a very high-end camera, but Panavision is positioning it as a general purpose camera for production, especially since Red's compressed codec makes 8K manageable, whereas 6K Arriraw has a staggering data rate that requires enormous storage space. It's just a seriously lean and mean camera that should give Alexa a run for its money in a way that Red on its own has struggled to. And now let's see what Sony and Canon will up with. The gauntlet has been thrown.

Rental cost (and target audience) will probably be similar to Alexa 65, so unlikely to challenge regular Alexa/Mini/Amira status as the industry darlings.

1 hour ago, Jpr said:

 Haven't seen anyone try the raw itself yet.

The Odyssey 7q/7q+  update for FS5 raw hasn't been released yet; coming (very) soon apparently.

47 minutes ago, Django said:

^ right.. but if you add a zacuto (or atomos) you already got false color etc.. so i don't really get the point of having it on-board if not for the benefit of use on the internal (crappy) display?

False color probably targets the built-in display, but the new gammas should be handy for monitors and EVFs. The Bolex Log in particular should play well with monitors with LUT support. I don't know if it is possible with this camera but simultaneously having false color on the built-in and one of the gammas on the hdmi out sounds cool.

6 minutes ago, Django said:

Beautiful footage out of this cam (Kodak CCD for the win) and it's great to see such good on-going support/development but there is one gripe I had with the DB16 when I tried it was it's LCD, one of the poorest in terms of resolution/IQ, short of useless for any type of serious feedback. So I'm a bit surprised by the new inclusions although I assume they're mainly for external monitoring (which feels a little lame on this type of camera for some reason)?

Funny that you say that. I think this camera only makes sense with an EVF, so these new monitoring related additions should make perfect sense.

Looks like a great update. The introduction of Bolex Gamut and Bolex Log should make it easier for the Bolex to be considered a serious tool. 

I think the counter to the trend of endless repackaging of other peoples' content, reviews, tutorials, whatever (NFS style) is producing well thought out and researched stuff which doesn't address specific cameras, rather discusses concepts. It certainly takes way more time, but the result is arguably more valuable. Back when I was occasionally posting stuff on my own site it would take around up to 2 weeks for an article (text + illustrations). Now obviously this isn't viable in a commercial setting, but it does attract a certain kind of audience. And I'd argue it's the better kind.