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I am sure i have read / heard the internals are the same, so i presume its just different housings. Considering the pricing i guess which ever is dearer to make, takes a small hit on the profit margins. which is probably the mission1 ils, but then its probably going to sell less, so they can probably live with that. It is a niche product i think as well. I see the mission 1ils as a stepping stone. Once you have had a gopro or other action camera and done different things with it or if you have some kind of cinema expectations, you can become aware of some its limitations. I think the ils will help with bridging that gap perhaps even dragging things up a level. I suspect that you might even need two gropros the mission one for traditional gopro look and the mission 1 ils for the stuff the mission 1 cant do. Be interesting to see how things pan out. We have all seen some amazing stuff done with gopros however that all comes from a core group of people with a gopro , maybe 10% perhaps alot less then 10% i'm not sure. I was inspired by chris benchetler chasing el nino a series on snow skiing enough to buy a gopro 9. I realize he had a whole crew and helicopters to help however the gopros used for the pov was amazing. The only issue not a lot of snow around here... I'll have to continue with my thoughts later, got to go to town otherwise people are going to starve...🙄

Thats probably good thinking 🙂 when i did a quick google check on the mission 1 and variants the older model from the major store outlets are selling for less than $500 trying to clear old stock no doubt. Which makes me think what price could they actually sell a camera for ? I did look into the backbone at the time, however the crop put me off as i remember it being like a 5 times crop ( i could be wrong about that) rather than the 2.7 crop from the mission1 compared to a crop of 2x from a normal mft mount. My oly 12mm would become like 32mm, my 24mm sirui would become almost 65mm which is certainly something to think about. The 17mm takumar i play with a bit would become 50mm. Not sure how to get a wide angle look on a mission 1 and a mft mount ? So far i think i have to find a lens around 6mm - not more than 9mm. Haven't seen any footage yet, but i suspect a speed booster should work either 0.64 or 0.70 to get you back close to a 2x crop or is my thinking flawed as i'm curious about that ? Of course this is all still theoretical as the mission1 ils is not yet available. What limitations are you expecting with a 1 inch sensor and passive mount, the lack of auto focus ?

It was better when you could buy stuff under $1000 and pay not additional taxes. Gerry Harvey complained to the government he was losing too many sales. Thats when the ten % gst got applied to everything and the government had a win and Gerry Harvey could suddenly afford a few more race horses as well. For awhile those overseas ebay buys were a bargain as the middleman got cut out out the deal. However i suspect the manufacturers or sellers have upped the base price regardless of middlemen or not and the savings aren't as spectacular as they once were. Ah ok, i read that as a reasonable (price) opposite of what you meant lol, although not sure what gopros have normally sold for over there. I think i paid $500-600 for the 9 when it came out. Confident i looked around for the best "local" deal. Playing devils advocate momentarily and to be honest i have no interest in the other models, a new chip, decent capacity battery it seems, and ability to mount mft lenses and that 1080 at 960fps even at 10 seconds is impressive, i think i would be happy to pay $700 even through its a jump over earlier gopros but it wont be $700 here, I'm expecting $1000-$1300 er i just googled mission 1 in aus. Seems like there here, except the ils gopro and its $1100 which might come as a bit of a shock to some of you 🙂

yer where you are... by the time it gets to here and converted to aussie $ then add a gst on top and whatever other hidden taxes there are and its not going to be $700 supposably there's a free trade agreement between you people and us... the reality is i suspect theres nothing free about trade.

yer me too, also still wondering about the pricing here in aus

I'm a little cynical about the whole (ai thing and what they call ai ) certainly there are coding improvements and other improvements that perhaps can maybe put down to Ai i'm not so sure. I think its a great selling point to call any product Ai enhanced whether Ai is superficially involved or not. Besides that i am confident if you buy any of the current models you would notice improvements, maybe not earth shattering improvements, but improvements none the less. Most likely small things like balance, handling, how easy it is to use that sort of thing. Most of the manufacturers are on their, second, third even fourth generation models. Safe to say they have all improved, however i doubt any of them are perfect despite what the youtube influencers would have you believe. I have no exp about the ai tracking that wasn't a requirement when i was looking. I know some cameras have predictive tracking, how that would integrate with a gimbal is above my pay grade. As far as i'm aware its still up to the human to pan, tilt and rotate. 🤔 I have a little gimbal suitable for iphones and gopros and not much else. When i use it, it works great, maybe my style or my needs are modest, certainly my skills are 🙂 Once i got a bigger camera, i watched a lot of youtubes on various gimbals. I made a list of things i thought desirable in a gimbal. Now as i write this i cant think of any of them... For whatever reason a crane m3s was decided on as desirable. There was also a crane m4 available at the time, some thing in the m4 specs was different enough from the m3s that it was ruled out despite being the latest incarnation of said gimbal. There was a potential bug reported with the m3, it seemed to affect some people and not others. When mine arrived it worked ok, i did the update thing anyway... i'll be honest i did stress about whether i would get one that had an "issue" and needed the update, in the end it was a non issue. I can't really say anything bad about it. It works without issues, so far. What i can say, is its big, probably stands half meter tall. its kinda heavy even before you put a camera on it and it likes heavy cameras. Put a light camera on it and it will have apoplexy for ten seconds straight. I tried that 🙃 the little om-1 mark two is way to light for this gimbal. Later i did add a focus motor and cables and whatever else came with the kit, surprisingly it was pain free getting it all rebalanced and working, not what i was expecting at all. I did have a usb cable in the wrong port, there's 3 or 4 ports for different things and two ports side by side, once i figured that out it worked fine. For me the only down side is the weight of everything, maybe i should join a gym. Filming anything much longer than 30 seconds or minute starts becoming a struggle real quick or it seems like that... If you have a dji ronin, there is some wisdom in staying within that brand as you know it already and have the muscle memory as well. A different brand is buttons in new places, the functions probably 180 degrees to what your used too. The kind of stuff that makes you inclined to pull your hair out... not impossible to do, just longer before your up to speed. I did ask a question similar to yours when i was first interested in a bigger gimbal within the forum, not sure i got a definitive answer and thats ok and i hope no one takes offence at my comment. What it did do, was make me ask some questions to myself and then it was a journey of finding answers that matched my expectations and sometimes redefining criteria when criteria clashed or probably closer to the truth my understanding was flawed technically and needed readdressing anyway. In the end i think i made a good choice for me, whether the crane m3 is a good choice for you is something you would have to do your own homework on 🙂

i'm looking at the tiffen magsafe for my iphone 13 as well i have been pretty happy with the phone 13 for photos and vids. 9 times out of ten its the only thing i have with me capable of video, Its also hard for me to justify the price of a new iphone or even android. I purchased the camera raw app for the iphone that i read about in another thread and i'm going to give that a go. I also plan on replacing the screen due to a large crack which doesn't stop me using it, but it does annoy me none the less. Also i have noticed the flaring in photos is growing so i'm thinking its time to replace that clear front lens housing as well. I feel those measures aught to provide a useful increase in "useability" and stave off a new phone purchase for 12 months / two years hopefully.

too late now probably, but could you not get the k&f iphone 17 filter ? although it doesn't look threaded which is an issue at the front

I have heard its not wise to use two types of stabilization together as they can fight each other. I have no idea where i picked that particular nugget up from however and i suggest you take it with a grain of salt. There was one discussion some time ago on the forum about cadence and motion blur in videography, perhaps its abit like that. You may notice peculiarities that pass the rest of us by. Bit like some people are susceptible to flickering lights or flashing lights. What sort of image resolution and frame rates are you talking about ? I have a small gimbal and a crane m3 gimbal that can carry anything reasonable and then some... i could do some 10 second clips if that helps narrow the issue down.

Your right of course. I did forget to mention that some skill is involved I was being slightly facetious. I can see how its a win for oppo to send him a smartphone to "vlog" with. Less clear to me is how brandon li wins ? I guess you could call playing with a 8k smartphone a win. Theres only a link to take you to the oppo site. Am i over thinking it, if i presume theres some code in the link that tells oppo i have come from a brandon li youtube ? Ok i had a look at some of his other vids there are some affiliative links for gear and there's a camera course and gimbal course to purchase if that interests you. I guess his approach is slightly more refined / tasteful than the usual here's the links to everything i use youtube shrill.

I'd like a dollar for every time he says oppo find... I believe the more youtube camera reviews i watch, the more cynical i become and the cynical part maybe exponential... i did like the intro, for a guy who lives in the country, its nice to see some travel footage. Although the title, travel film could be "code" for you, secretly need a new 8k camera phone. That in turn would probably necessitate a new tv, new computer, and maybe some other peripherals. So for me, probably not going to happen. Perhaps this new oppo is amazing, and good on them if it is. Personally i cant take a camera phone seriously if it doesn't have a lens cover. Every single lens i have bought except a couple of 2nd hand lens from japan have had lens covers. If smart phone manufactures cant put a plastic lens cover on it then their not taking their product seriously. During the into did think to myself one could do a similar thing with a gimbal and any phone camera or perhaps even an action camera. Sure enough a gimbal seems to be the secret sauce, oh and add 8k of course and the occasional hand held shot for added realism. I shouldn't knock the guy, at least he's out and about doing stuff, while i'm content to simply watch it, in my comfortable desk chair.. It was nice of oppo to send him the phone to vlog with, after that my mind boggles at the boat trips, plane trips, bike hire, and i'm thinking at this point his his business financials must be going backwards. 🙃 I did learn a few things from the behind the scenes part, so thanks for that . PS. Somebody should probably tell the dude, that you ride bikes, you don't drive them. It sounds kinda lame to anyone that does actually ride one.

Ok I'm more interested, now that its got a mft mount. I feel that alone will elevate the litle gopro to next level for a lot of people. The open gate mode sounds interesting and i would like to pair that with my 24mm sirui anamorphic. No idea how that would turn out but it does sound interesting and then there's 3 other mft lens i own and a whole bunch of vintage glass to play with as well. Looks like gopro have a whole range of accessories to buy as well, tailored to fit, for that integrated look. Cant blame them for that i guess and it kinda cuts out the others from getting a slice of the pie... I like the concept so far.. still unsure about the photo and video file types. Apart from saying its 10 bit, there's not much to go on. I just hope theres some flexibility built in and the ai doesn't just burn a lut in 🙄. Abit pessimistic i know, but i'm not a fan of the default settings from gopro for things like sharpness and saturation. So i'm still not preordering. I'll wait for some initial reviews, and then hopefully wait for some more before i do anything rash...

here you go 🙂

Perhaps this new gp3 is designed better, requires less assembly from humans and with all the normal things companies do to save money getting rid of paying salaries is always a winner... Besides they can always rehire them at the same rate or reduced rate at a later date. Considering we are up to a gopro13 now, I'm not exactly holding my breath in anticipation, I know its an action camera but we have had 13 of em now... I guess it helps keeps the influencers busy. Honestly I'm a bit jaded with it all. With a 5-nanometer System-on-a-Chip and an innovative GP3 processor is a specialized AI Neural Processor Unit, i wonder if we have more control or less ? Admittedly the images are nice. I think I'll wait for the bird to hatch to see if we end up with a bin chicken or an eagle.

Nice images for sure. Still i'm not preordering, more cherry picked stuff with little in the way of information to back it up. I have convinced myself i don't need another camera just yet, and i just have to stay with the programming... till theres some reviews and more info out there and even then i'll be a little skeptical. If its like mercer said and has a face plate or similar that would definitely increase my interest, but i'm gonna wait and see how its achieved first.