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29 minutes ago, SteveV4D said:

That line skipping mush is certainly superior IQ to GoPro, I admit, but not as good as S1H.  However GoPros are smaller, and still going to be used where GoPros are required.  Like a documentary series I saw, where it was attached to a helmet of the presenter as he went underground.  The R5 is small, but not that small. 🤣🤣🤣

 

Panasonic is fantastic, but can't do 8k raw for FX/greenscreen.  I use various : Arri, Sony, RED, Panasonic, Blackmagic, Canon...   Horses for courses. Of course, if someone's workflow imposes  only one camera, it's his/her choice of the model, depending on the job. We are lucky to have so many options 🙂 

1 minute ago, SteveV4D said:

GoPros don't overheat.  I've used them and they're pretty reliable.  I've left one running for 8 hours once, connected to an external power device.  How is this at all relevant to a R5?  

R5 does not overheat in the standard Hollywood 4k/24.  You can leave it on "record" for as long as your storage/PS last. The picture quality is somewhat better that gopro.  In either case, we are not talking "A" cameras here. 

13 minutes ago, SteveV4D said:

This is hilarious... I love a bit of fantasy in my life... now let's wake up and remember we are talking about a Canon camera. 

I don't see Netflix or any major studio adding this to their list of approved cameras.  And big productions have no time to pander to cameras such as these.  Why would anyone use a camera that could become a brick after an hour of use, even with 1 to 2 min takes.  Even switching it on, leaving it in a warm room and adjusting the camera settings is adding to that ticking clock and the more takes you do, even switching it on and off will reduce your time down the moment you hit record.  The cool down period is enormous.  Who says the breaks between takes are always that long.  Some simple scenes take 15 or more takes, shot consecutively.  The R5 would be hotter than an oven by then.

When you have choices like the S1H, the issue of a lack of AF on it for large production companies is basically void, when they're using Alexa.  It would be a much better choice as it has features like timecode which is more useful to productions than 8K that overheats.  

All Hollywood producers here. Chapeau bas.

Here's some movies  using gopros, David Cronenberg, Ridley Scott, Steven Soderbergh... (Netflix too: "Face 2 Face", all camerawork).

https://filmdaily.co/obsessions/best-movies-made-with-gopros

4 minutes ago, Nezza said:

Peter McCannons 48 part special exploring the lives of Eskimos should be awesome.

Might take him a while though, waiting for the R5 to cool down between takes.

Seriously now. When you really shoot in the arctic you need professionals to help you, also with the choice of gear. Eg. this company (no connection)

is highly recommended.

https://arctickingdom.com/arctic-film/

"I'm looking forward to all these arctic based movies."

That was a special joke for the  drama production pros. Glad you got it. Some "Terror" arctic scenes (the final eps) were shot in Croatia in scorching heat. The takes lasted under a minute, the breakes up to an hour.

R5 will be a great hit with Hollywood productions. A perfect companion camera to Arri or Red, costing a fraction, weighing nothing (drones).

The IBIS replaces the steadicam, the F2 / 28-70 is like  a set of top primes. In the standard 4k/24, R5 records for hours. When FX/greenscreen is needed-

8k raw kicks in. Overheating? The length of the average take is 1-2 minutes. The  breaks between takes  can be really long. You need to sacrifice a camera?

Ridiculos cheap. Need 10-20 units for the big battle, fights, crashes, explosions  or chases? - no problem.  SloMo - check. Arctic shooting - love it.

Ergonomics - check.  Cinema verite onobtrusivness - check. Run-and gun - check. Etc, etc etc. 

Dan Watson repeated  his A7s3 vs R5 overheat test (4k/60)  and again Sony wins in cool indoors and loses to Canon in Florida sun.

https://petapixel.com/2020/07/27/canon-patents-eos-r-lens-adapter-with-active-cooling-built-in/

1 hour ago, John Matthews said:

Valid points. I wasn't aware of the bricking problem- that sounds bad! Does that RAW hardware come with the FX9 or is Sony making people pay for it? I think this might be the specific point that FX9 owners were peed-off about. As for the R5, I think it has yet to be seen how it behaves under duress... all we know for sure is the insane overheating wait-times, making it unusable for many types of shooting.

That's the complete test of 7As3 vs R5. The info about Sony bricking and destroying media is in the comments, the author did not want to sound alarms before checking with Sony.

RAW for FX9 is not free. Nothing is in Pro Sonyland.

"Cinema Line" of any camera manufacturer is not only about picture quality. It's also about reliability, workflow standards, service reaction time... FX9 is at the bottom of Sony cinema line, a one-man-show camera. But it borrows the 6k sensor from the top Venice and the lens mount is cinema modified. That alone might cost more than A7s. It also has unique functions like electronic auto ND filter. In October it will get firmware 2.0 and RAW hardware. A7s bricked on one tester when he put the overheating  control option to "off". The media were destroyed. Why would Sony even enable such a function? Will they remove it after some productions lose their media? Fortunately Canon R5 does not allow to shoot past the danger point.

The R5 overheating is a humbug. Canon used the 8k spec as a marketing ploy to create hype. It worked.

In fact R5 is an excellent photo camera with some amazing hybrid video capabilities.

4k/30 has no thermal limitations on R5. 8k will be used in pro environments for FX,   reframing , compositing. Same as 4k was used for 2k DCI.  In drama productions, the takes do not last 20 minutes. Not even 10. And typically there is always a spare camera on set. Or two, or more. 

Any users in need of long takes in 4k with  above standard film frame rates will be better off with Sony a7s iii , which takes only 12 mpix photos. Horses for courses.

PS. I'll have my R5  delivered mid-August.