Video Hummus

Based on that FB post it had 22 minutes remaining. If we take it at face value that the card was blank we get a 3250Mbit/s number. So sounds about right. That’s over 400MB/s. That’s minimum RAID 0 with fast hard drivers or a fast SSD. You are also looking at 20+ GB/minute of footage. The 8K image quality better be worth it. I suspect the All-I and IPB to have high bitrates as well. Probably 1,500Mbps and 800Mbps roughly.

You will see those 50% reductions most likely on higher resolutions 8K and above. It probably won’t be implemented for another 5-8 years is my guess, and then only in big streaming companies perhaps with dedicated hardware decoding on the client side. Expect massive encodes times. Not a great capture codec at all, even compared to H265.

Which begs the question why is canon now releasing small maximum aperture super telephotos? Doesn’t the market demand that new RF 800mm be a f4 or f5.6 to get that bokeh and FF lowlight ability? Suddenly f11 is “fine”, lowlight performance will be “good enough”. I’m Just tired of this format double standard double speak bullshit. Including the fabulous “ability to hand hold a 600mm+ lens (OMG!) and get the shot without a tripod 🤯...shit MFT has been doing for years and was maligned almost maliciously for it? Because of a “smallish crop sensor”. Yet, the format seemingly had the right features to make it an excellent tool for the job...sounds like tunnel vision thinking to me. Glad to see R6 has the R5 chunky body. Better chance for video performance features. Might be the camera to watch for Canon video shooters. My biggest problem with Canon is the expensive RF glass. $2500 for R6 and $2300 to put a 15-35 f/2.8 on it... Panasonic has the same problem with L-Mount.

Olympus has had it for years. No body cared. 48MP is for sure nice, but so is 20MP on the 1DXIII and 24MP on the A9. Good enough for sports illustrated covers and National Geographic front page magazine prints.

800mm F11...still surprised at the size. It looks like it collapses down or something. Oly 300mm f4 + 1.4x converter is still extremely competitive against this thing

I had an Eye-fi card back in the day that did this too. It sucked hard and barely worked have the time. If you body (and I mean like even your arm) got in the way it would dropped the wifi connection. Sounds like this one works a bit better. Boggles my mind why this technology, that apparently can fit in an SD card, hasn’t been added to cameras or in more pro level SD cards?

They’ll do both but they are smart to market this as a “creative lifestyle” product with YT personalities like McKinnon because it works! I bet there will be people with almost no skill or experience that watch Peter and drop $4000 on the R5 or $2000 on an R6 just because they saw it in their favorite personalities hand. Im also sure we will get the usual forgetful backpedaling about how 4K really matters now since Canon finally has it. How 4K120p is important even though when the R was release it was a feature not to have HD 120p because it makes you lazy... But forget all that. I just hope we finally get a camera from Canon that gives us 10-bit 422 4K, DPAF, capability for RAW video (even though it’s impractical for a lot of things; at least it is there), and perhaps a more serious tone about video. My first camera was a Canon. I moved on because I wanted more video features. I also didn’t think FF offered what I wanted for the size/weight of the kit. Maybe now it does with the Sony A7SIII or R5/R6. But I’m pragmatic and will wait to see if there will be a GH6 and what it will offer.

Peter reviews a lot of gear. I don’t think he has reviewed any other cameras except Canon. Which makes me believe he is an ambassador or something and can’t review other cameras. Hea pimping tripods and everything else. But not a single other cameras except canon cameras. Not to mention his frequent Canon headquarters visit and stuff. Oh well, I don’t watch him (much anymore) and never took his opinions as an objective source of reviews anyway.

Does @Andrew Reid have his wallet ready? R5/R6/A7SIII...hopefully the companies will send you advanced copies pre shipment for review in October or whenever these are coming.

Now all they have to do is improve the software on both the camera and the phone to make it as seamless as using a phone. I know phones are good enough for most people. They are for me for the “quick snaps” but they fall woefully short in about everything else. The first camera manufactures that actually sits down with Apple and Google and says: “we would like work with you to come up with the most seamless way to get photos taken off our cameras into your smartphones as seamlessly as possible” will do better in the long run. Imagine just having Bluetooth on your phone and camera. You configure once to give permission for the camera and phone to communicate (just like you do with AirPods or other Bluetooth devices). When you have your phone on you and you flick the power on your camera they detect each other and use bluetooth to configure a WiFi 6 network between your camera and your phone (you can skip this step if the camera has 4/5G eSim built in). Now when you start rolling off shots on your camera it just seamlessly transfers your RAWs in the background. When your done shooting you open up your phone and go to photos and there are all your photos ready to edit just as if you took them with your smart phone. Why hasn’t this happened? why are we taking a bloated phone OS and cramming it together like some cave man figuring out how to put square rock in round hole. It’s stupid.

I know people want to instantly take a photo and upload it to Instagram or social media of choice, but I feel like there is Much better way to do this than to have some bloated android phone operating system. technologies that come to mind are WiFi6 and Apple AirDrop. You could easily have fast enough speeds (up to 9.6Gbps) and seamless “push to phone” in the background for photos. Some kind of streaming protocol would need to be used for video. No App One time configuration That way smartphones can stay smartphones without some lenses protruding out the front and cameras can have fast physical controls and snappy boot times and non of this touch screen only rubbish. Improve the communication protocols. There is a ton of slack in the line. Or better yet, realize there is a benefit of not everything being connected with apps and notifications and social crap.

So 8K RAW is 3250 Mbps? No crop in 4k120p? I wonder if it’s line-skipped hell. I’m really interested in the 4K modes. What’s cropped, what’s not. Autofocus in all modes?

Glad they didn’t double down on the Touch Bar. I wonder if it will be on the R6? As far as looks, I prefer canon over Sony. Although, the on/off on the left isn’t my favorite. Can’t pick it up with one hand and switch the power. Also not a fan of the digital mode setup. If your screen gets cracked or gives out your screwed. Canon will very likely be my FF camera of choice. So glad they are pushing again.

I think I’m just going to unplug from YouTube and gear related sites during the release of this thing. Not that I’m boycotting anything, but the hype and repeated hype over and over is a bit crazy.

Definitely some dude that gets shown Sony sensor slides before they are published. Seems to know a lot about Sony’s sensor tech. More likely on the engineering side than PR or marketing. Also likes Fujifilm cameras. Is very careful to release information, like 2 minutes before some obscure press release or website version bump. So perhaps takes his inside knowledge seriously and respects NDAs. most information is very close to what actually pans out...except for that 41MP Olympus sensor rumor hearsay. That was a dud. How did I do @androidlad?

They need to make these: https://stcoptics.com/en/clip_filter/ but with lens mount contacts and a eVND that allow pass through but also somehow is powered off the pins. Probably not possible without building a lens mount with this in mind. I think current eVND use a fair mount of power.

Intel added HEVC 10-bit 4:2:2 acceleration in Ice Lake and Tiger Lake Quicksync. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Quick_Sync_Video

In my experience any 10-bit 4:2:2 that is competently implemented with sufficient bitrate for the resolution is excellent. ProRes just has a benefit of being easy on the computer. I don’t see much difference from 150Mbps AVC and 400Mbps AVC All-I on Panasonic cameras. The All-I has subjectively better motion, but it’s so slight I only use it in the edge cases. I don’t see much difference between 400Mbps ALl-I and ProRes or ProRes HQ unless you are just pushing sliders all over the place, especially the white balance. Just get it right, or close to right, in camera like you should. Having said all of that, I would still like to see a mirrorless camera that records internally to ProRes flavors if only to speed up workflow.

Maybe a good time for Panasonic to announce a GH6 with ProRes RAW internal with full sensor readout 4:3 anamorphic 😏

I don’t know...When I’m paying $1,800 for the 10-25, 1,600 for a 50-200, or $2,300 for a 50mm f1.4 prime (!!!) I would except it should last with normal usage for a while. Unless of course you have a serious drop or damage. Thats a lot of money and if you aren’t using the lens every single day making hundreds of dollars a day on jobs then it’s even worst. Makes me wonder all the old vintage glass, like the nikkor stuff, some with only 3-7 elements and manual focus, still perfectly fine after 30 years and NO SERVICE. Our glass will never be vintage because it’ll all be broken or unusable!

I think it’s just a structural move. It makes it easier to sell ofF camera division if they feel the need or to not hide camera loses in a huge division that they want to show shareholders profit in. I would be highly surprised they would pull out completely. They may scale back though. Maybe the weak sauce ASPC updates where part of this trend of nominal investment refreshes as the market tumbles and re-adjusts. They are now the market leader, really. If anything Panasonic is more likely to put out a press release and cease production of LUMIX like they did their TVs.

Yeah its bullshit. Lots of great photography out there from MFT users. Not everyone is a wedding shooter or a portrait only shooter. MFT is perhaps one of the best for landscapes and wildlife and nature photography. Lighter capable kit. With balanced (keyword there) performance. Olympus’ HHHR and 80MP tripods modes were excellent landscape photography tools. You could even use HHHR for portraits. You could use 80MP tripod Mode for product photography. It’s a great, balanced system that gets shit on all the time for no apparent reason other than to boost peoples egos? Not sure...don’t care anymore really to try and understand why the need for it. Maybe if we were more focused on the results and less about the gear it wouldn’t be this way and this thread wouldn’t have 100 posts about why MFT sucks with the same repeated subjective bullshit. Stupid waste of time. Go create something, like this dude (shot on the craptastic GH5 btw with its tiny shitty sensor):

I suspect Sony is going to build their Alpha user base even more after July. It sure sounds like they are focusing heavily on video in this camera and in the future. I hope they don’t deviate too crazily from the hybrid mirrorless form factor too much. If they put S-cinetone in there, 4K60p, 10-bit everywhere, with a decent bit rate. They will have a winner. S1H just got it’s lunch eaten. But that’s what happens when your sensor tech is made by a company that is owned by your competitor. They get the good stuff first and maybe even exclusively. I’m of the opinion 8K will be a gimmicky spec sheet feature this go around. I can’t see 8K RAW from the R5 being practical at all if it has the same bitrate ratios as 5,5K RAW on 1DXIII. You’ll need a beast of a computer. Tons of storage. Impractical for smaller creators or shops that don’t have a Mac Pro under the desk, unless they secured something from RED that allows them to use more compression....? Oh well, I’m going to watch the fireworks. Wait for prices to come down. Maybe see if GH6 comes then eventually probably pick a mount for FF when the dust settles.

All the prices going up as expected. July should be interesting. This is the first time really Canon and Sony are coming out swinging at each other.

My 2 cents for future fp In order of importance for me Phase Detection Auto Focus EVF or rear bright, high resolution OLED tilt screen Internal ND from 2 - 8 stops Internal 10-bit LOG ALL-I to CFExpress (ProRes preferably) Internal RAW to CFExpress (BM RAW would be nice) Sensor size not that important to me (ASP-C or FF) SDI out (HDMI is too bloated; licenses, implementations, patents) just give us fastest SDI data pipe out. I like physical dials front and back near hand grip Cellular modem with SIM slot (internal or some kind of slick attachment)