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1 hour ago, zerocool22 said:

yeah for some reason the gemini is creamier and has some kind of pop like the alexa. Might be the other 24k $ that is giving that. BM should figure out what it is and implement it into their next camera, or better yet give it through a firmware update on the ursa mini pro.

Even ignoring the obvious difference in DOF, the grading of the two clips isn't matched.  Without access to the original files, the comparison is meaningless.

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

14,000 views.

Oops. See what happens when you take the sexy KPOP girls out a Youtube vid?!

You take the sexy ass wiggling out and what have you got... just a nerd with a new camera

Nothing against the guy, but I have no clue what Blackmagic are expecting from this strategy.

How many KPOP fans are there for the girls and music, and how many of his subscribers are interested in a Pocket 4K Camera?!

Whatever the cameras may be capable of in professional hands,  the company is marketing them to amateurs.  That's the basis of its volume sales,  which in turn makes the low price possible.

No offense to the shooter above, but I think BMD is offering footage which many people will look at and think, "I could do that".   Even the Brawley stuff was shot under highly restricted conditions.  It's not how he would light or block a dramatic or fashion shoot.

Give 'em credit:  this approach is more honest than usual.  A demo with production value far beyond the resources of likely buyers doesn't reveal an awful lot.

With apologies to John Brawley,

8 hours ago, Tone1k said:

I agree that a gimbal still doesn't replace a steadycam for smoothness but from what I've seen of the ronin s, the gap is certainly closing. I've seem some super smooth stuff from the ronin s..... Something IBIS will never replicate. 

What exactly did you see?  I didn't look at all of it, but the stuff the company posted is impossible to evaluate -- lots of cool slow motion and ramps, shots which last 1.5 seconds, shots without stable horizontal or vertical references, etc.  Ronin-S can't change the laws of physics or make for better skilled operators....   

1 hour ago, jonpais said:

He doesn’t know what I objected to, but he’s certain it was on YT and that I watched on an uncalibrated monitor. And he keeps saying @cantsin ‘s video looks like log footage even though it clearly does not. 

Yes, I'm a deluded clairvoyant (BMPCC youtube forever, jon!) who wouldn't know 3-strip Technicolor if it painted his driveway.  It might be better to return to pointless speculation about an unreleased product, as there won't be agreement on this matter, or even on what constitutes current color grading norms.  

20 minutes ago, cantsin said:

It's not a log look, it's a generic, high-dynamic range Rec709 look using Blackmagic's default color science. In the prosumer price range of the BM Pocket, a few cameras can do this (Fuji, Canon and Nikon for example), but only in 8bit without the possibilities of heavily grading/tweaking the image.

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Call it what you like, but it's a low contrast/low saturation style which resembles log footage -- and which has since become common in both low budget and higher end feature film material.

I don't know what Jon Pais objected to it, but does anyone really expect to see professionally graded footage routinely posted on youtube and similar (and as seen on an uncalibrated computer screen?) 

1 hour ago, cantsin said:

Here's a sample comparison between the Rec709 footage (as used in the video / created with Resolve's Color Space Transformation tool) and the original log footage [i.e. CinemaDNG interpreted as Blackmagic Film log]:

 

 

 

 

 

I agree they're not identical, but the way in which you've processed the raw files doesn't, as I see it, reveal much about the color science of the camera.  I don't think you'd need a  BMD camera to achieve the log look you have here. 

Then again, maybe it's my eyes.  It's impossible to say whether that stolen BMPCC 4K footage from NAB means anything for what actually gets shipped, but you had people critiquing the color as if it were normalized rec 709.  To me, it was plainly some variant of log, which required processing and color shifts.

18 hours ago, cantsin said:

 

When the Pocket was reviewed a few years ago on Provideo Coalition, I believe it measured a full 1920x1080, or very close to it, with charts supplied to back up the claim -- with the usual caveat that you will see moire at the far end.   Do you have better information?

As for the color in your sample -- sorry, but to my eyes, it looks like barely graded log footage.  And, given the lighting and shooting style, it's Impossible to assess much of anything, unless the object is to achieve just that -- an unlit log look.    But, in that case, any number of cameras can produce much the same.