Ken Ross

Jon, I can tell you first hand, owning both, the GH5 has much better AF than the G85. The funny thing is, what you experienced I've also had happen with both the Sony A6300 & A7Rii. It would absolutely amaze me that someones head could fill up 1/2 to 2/3rds of the frame, and the camera would still insist on focusing on the background. I guess all these cameras can do that at the most inopportune time...except maybe the Canons? Never used em.
And hey, why were you readjusting WB after hitting record? Did the lighting change that much?
Isn't there a law in Vietnam about adjusting WB and vlogging at the same time?

That's pretty funny when a guy like him uses the GH5 with all of the AF naysaying. It's also funny that the AF worked far better for him than it ever did for Max. In fact if you've seen some of his other videos, he's gotten far worse results with other cameras. I guess he's another guy that got a pretty good one.

Fritz, I do admit to being pretty steady, but the IBIS surely helps a great deal. With my prior Sonys with IBIS and/or OIS (A7Rii & A6300), my steadiness was compromised by the Sony's jitter. The GH5's IBIS is really worlds better.

Well that's 11+ minutes of my life I'll never get back. I'm not sure what he said or what his point was. The time being spent with these endless discussions on AF, that arrive at either no conclusion, the AF sucks, the AF can work if you learn it and finally the 'who knows, let me get back to you on that'. It's endless.

That's pretty funny when a guy like him uses the GH5 with all of the AF naysaying. It's also funny that the AF worked far better for him than it ever did for Max. In fact if you've seen some of his other videos, he's gotten far worse results with other cameras. I guess he's another guy that got a pretty good one.

Orangenz, yeah, lighting in venues like this is often odd and on the dim side. Couple that with a slow lens and a further reduction in available light as the result of zooming, doesn't provide the ideal recipe for the best skin tones. 
I had noise reduction at default (I never use intelligent resolution), but it would have been interesting to dial it all the way down. 
But given the conditions and a slow zoom, I was actually pretty happy with the results. For the record, it looked far better on my 65" OLED than on my 5K IMac.  

I guess he and I got the only good ones.
Seriously, if only people would learn how to use these, they ARE capable of good AF. And yes, many of his clips in many of his videos with other cameras are badly out of focus...and that includes Sonys. I thought this was actually one of the better ones. Oh the irony, oh the irony.
On a related note, I had gotten a request from PhotoJoe for my AF settings (he had seen my videos that try to mirror Max's tests), but I got the request too late for his shootout with Max. I tried to respond on his website as he requested, but I'm not even sure it went though. 
 

I'm like... ok, I don't remember Casey's vlogs always being purfect, but I still enjoy it, because of the content... then... I started noticing the reflection when he's up-close to the camera. Huh, I thought he went from Canon to the Sony A6500, but that's a vari-angle screen on a DSLR-style body... hum. Does that say 'Lumix'?... must be... 'Canon' surely, right? Too much issues with the A6500, back to the 80D. Wait... there's a 4K option... That really is crisp... how is a Canon that crisp? Unless... it IS a Lumix. Reads the description sees 'NEW NEW CAMERA' linking to the GH5 Amazon link. Isn't that something?!! Just when everybody turned to hating this camera, Casey steps up and shows that content is still king... good equipment doesn't necessarily make great content... good enjoyable content can for sure be had with whatever means you can get your hand on. Of course the best thing is when content & means go hand in hand. What do we think? I saw some out of focus bits, but no real hunting. I'm pretty sure his Canon and Sony had out of focus bits and it never took away from the story.

Lens inscriptions make me think he's shooting on the new X Vario 12-35mm f/2.8 II

Yes....with a slightly slower pan the motion will look great....one of the most overlooked aspects that's important in a camera, unless one shoots everything locked off....this camera is very far beyond the GH4 in every way!
Ken...are your hands that steady or is it the IBS doing such a good job?

Hanriverprod, here's a pan I just did in the house. If you're still seeing a jerking motion when the pan begins, you're definitely seeing something I can't see. It's very smooth and any lack of smoothness during the pan is due to the nature of hand-held panning. There's no trace of 'sticking' at the beginning of the pan, as occurred with the pre-firmware G85 update.
 

iPhondo ran this same comparison https://youtu.be/8WD9C3C2koU?t=9m13s1) The entire lens and sensor system in that camera is floating. Small sensor, DR is not so good. 
2) I don't think any camera has as good stabilisation as the x3000,
3) The wide angle lens reduces the visible effect of shake so a fair comparison would be with a super wide lens on the GH5 too.
4) The central handle used would reduce vertical motion but allow sideways motion due to its axis of rotation. A different way of holding the GH5 for walking shots is recommended for testing.
Conclusion: There is some noticeable lateral motion from walking picked up by the GH5. As vertical motion is well damped the sideways motion can become obvious sometimes. This effect seems mostly due to a poorly controlled walking style or handle that allows the camera to rotate sideways. As it is, the GH5 IBIS is significantly better stabilisation than many other cameras, including the iPhondo’s actual blogging camera, the RX100.
 
 

I find the IBIS on the GH5 to be excellent for hand-holding and far better than the Sony A6500 I tried. I do think that video is accurate in that if you do 'walking videos' (I don't), the motion that's not as well damped is the lateral motion. I'm sure with a refined walking style, that can be minimized.

Nice. Yeah, it looks fine handheld even at that speed. You guys are great for taking the time to provide samples like this. Thank you.
edit*: only camera I owned was g85 when it had that problem, the reason I was skeptical about the tech. Again, it seems worth it for the steady handheld shots alone.

Hanriverprod, here's a pan I just did in the house. If you're still seeing a jerking motion when the pan begins, you're definitely seeing something I can't see. It's very smooth and any lack of smoothness during the pan is due to the nature of hand-held panning. There's no trace of 'sticking' at the beginning of the pan, as occurred with the pre-firmware G85 update.
 

Hanriverprod, here's a pan I just did in the house. If you're still seeing a jerking motion when the pan begins, you're definitely seeing something I can't see. It's very smooth and any lack of smoothness during the pan is due to the nature of hand-held panning. There's no trace of 'sticking' at the beginning of the pan, as occurred with the pre-firmware G85 update.
 

LMAO.

I'll try to get to doing another pan in the next day or so under better conditions. I really don't see this as an issue and I can't recall anyone else commenting on it with GH5 footage. But we've learned that everyone sees different things.

There is absolutely no issue with doing pans with the GH5's IBIS and there is no jerk as I saw in the early G85 pre-firmware update. Man, how one guy, who doesn't bother to learn his camera, can start this stuff, amazing. Now the GH5's IBIS, that everyone prior had loved, is crap. He's a funny guy, but trust me, that doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. Yikes!
Here's a very quick video I slapped together the other day at the new Nassau Colliseum. This is all hand-held and the first video clip shows a pan. There was no jerk at the beginning of the clip, but it was extremely windy. Normally I'd just edit over with music, but this wasn't to be a masterpiece or a saved work by any measure. The point was to see how the GH5 did in a real world, low light situation. ISOs went up to about 1600 or a bit more in spots within the arena and where the face painting was being done. And just as a point of confession (Jon, are you listening?;)), I did add a bit of sharpening in post for the one shot you see here. I thought it was a bit soft, since the 14-140 was at max aperture in low light (another no no, going full zoom in low light). In looking at this on my OLED, I added too much sharpening and probably didn't have to add any at all.
 

There is absolutely no issue with doing pans with the GH5's IBIS and there is no jerk as I saw in the early G85 pre-firmware update. Man, how one guy, who doesn't bother to learn his camera, can start this stuff, amazing. Now the GH5's IBIS, that everyone prior had loved, is crap. He's a funny guy, but trust me, that doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. Yikes!
Here's a very quick video I slapped together the other day at the new Nassau Colliseum. This is all hand-held and the first video clip shows a pan. There was no jerk at the beginning of the clip, but it was extremely windy. Normally I'd just edit over with music, but this wasn't to be a masterpiece or a saved work by any measure. The point was to see how the GH5 did in a real world, low light situation. ISOs went up to about 1600 or a bit more in spots within the arena and where the face painting was being done. And just as a point of confession (Jon, are you listening?;)), I did add a bit of sharpening in post for the one shot you see here. I thought it was a bit soft, since the 14-140 was at max aperture in low light (another no no, going full zoom in low light). In looking at this on my OLED, I added too much sharpening and probably didn't have to add any at all.
 

I'd add
- When you have things at default, the sonys make afc look much better. Panasonic needs to center weight as the default!
- Try using 1-area af. Panasonic should probably label this as VIDEO FOCUS and have it as default or something for video shooting. That's if their AFC implementation of all the other settings are going to stay as flaky. 
- AFC is mostly flaky in most other settings. This will need firmware support. Why? Because the problem isn't with the hardware. Photos use AF and the GH5 is probably the fastest on the planet. AFC is the camera knowing when to make changes. Saying the AF is bad is missing the point about AFC. A lot of the discussions on youtube conflate afc into af inaccurately. 
- Matt is put down a bit by the commenters. But as I said above, the AF is extremely fast and matt was saying the truth. If you take photos you can see how fast it is. So the trouble is somewhere else in the afc process. At 3:29 iphondo says clearly that the AFS is extremely fast! It is faster for photos and videos. MUCH faster. But the AFC problems are not about speed. 
- A mistake is at 16:28 where the text of the instruction book is misunderstood. Granted the translation is not the best. It is actually just stating that with the two adjustments you can make to the af settings you can actually get them fighting each other if set to extremes in certain environments. It is not saying the AF is bad. iphondo makes this the reason for sending the camera back which is a bit silly. 
- Agree on the battery life, got myself a couple more batteries for 5 now. 
- And with regards to the stabilisation, 1) the x3000 uses the best floating lens-sensor on the market. Put ANY camera up against that please. 2) Weird looking sway for sure. I don't have the 12-35 but I'll try the same camera combo tomorrow. Fun! Hopefully I'll have the camera focussed correctly not at 30cm like in the video. Also going to compare the GX85 at some point. 

All kidding aside, The Gh5 is looking like a camera that is impossible to not buy if you are serious about film making. At least on a budget, and want a small size factor camera. Looking really Damn good.
And I bet there is some LuT to make it a bit less Videoish looking. Is it going to look like a BMPCC in Raw, probably not, but I bet it can be made to get sort of close.
But in reality I don't think you can really make 4k look less Videoish because the 4k on it has so damn much detail in it. I guess it would defeat the purpose of even Shooting in 4k???
I don't envy Sony right now. They are going to have to make a pretty unbelievable camera to compete with the GH5. They are almost going to have to come up with a bigger body size to compete with the better battery life, cooling that is going to be needed to outdo the GH5, or heck even match it. It will be interesting. We May find out at the end of this month at NAB!

I'm still finding central area focusing works the best. That central area can also be moved anywhere you like. I found it impossible to watch that 45 minute video from Peter. This info could have been distilled down to 5-10 minutes. 
I also don't understand why he thinks 225 points 'has the most power' as he said in a previous video. What good is the 225 points when the camera decides where it wants to focus in that mode?
He means well, he's harmless, but dang, he sure likes to hear himself talk.

Interesting night footage:
 

I'm still finding central area focusing works the best. That central area can also be moved anywhere you like. I found it impossible to watch that 45 minute video from Peter. This info could have been distilled down to 5-10 minutes. 
I also don't understand why he thinks 225 points 'has the most power' as he said in a previous video. What good is the 225 points when the camera decides where it wants to focus in that mode?
He means well, he's harmless, but dang, he sure likes to hear himself talk.