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The eos-m is a fun camera. Up until I picked up the XC10, that was my favorite camera to shoot with. The M3 has some extra controls (focus peaking, tilting LCD, IS) and is not much more money, so you may want to consider that model instead. Of course, the original M can be used with ML.

Thought I'd chime in because I am looking for a simple solution as well. I hate that most headphones have long cords, especially when plugging into the camera when I am the solo operator. But lately I have been using small Olympus field recorders in my actors pockets and a 3rd on my shoe for ambient sound. The Olympus recorders are great because they are balanced nicely for dictation and nature recordings. But I digress, the new Olympus model has built in Bluetooth for headphones, so since I am also looking for a simple monitoring solution I am considering this recorder and wireless headphones. Maybe a Bluetooth transmitter could be useful for you Lintel?

But Canon just released the 5d mark 4? I actually think that eos-m5 may be their flagship mirrorless... Or should I say, their 5D of their mirrorless line. They introduced the base consumer model, the m10 last year, so it seems like maybe they are delineating their mirrorless models?

5-Axis Hybrid = IBIS + E-Stabilizer. You only can get 5-Axis Hybrid by having the E-Stabilizer function turned on. The question I was asking is if the Normal IBIS is indeed 5-Axis. Most say it is, but the only literature that shows that are pictures describing Dual-Is. With manual, vintage lenses, I have found Normal IBIS to be not that great, so I wondered if the Normal IBIS was in fact 5-Axis. Most forum members have compelling arguments that it is, I am still not a hundred percent sure I agree, but I am no longer too concerned with it either because I have had no issues the 5-Axis Hybrid and in a few instances the extra crop helps me with some of the lenses I am using.

Looks good. How do you like the 80D? I was thinking about maybe getting one for a two camera set up with the XC10. It looks like they match up fairly well with Andrew's C-Log Profile. And it seems as long as you let your kid talk she is completely comfortable in front of the camera.

Interesting test. Hmm. Not sure what to say. I have used the camera with the 5-Axis Hybrid IBIS for almost a month and never encountered that tremor issue, but I have never used it with an ois lens, only vintage manual lenses and I have never propped my elbows on anything while using it. Am not saying either of those things were the cause, just explaining my circumstances with it.

Oh gotcha... you're probably a lot younger than me, so I'm sure you can tell me how to do most computer thingies... And yeah, I am not really a fan of flip screens... I tend to be a klutz and I suspect I would snap it right off. Plus I like to have the camera in front of me, it seems off balanced with the screen out.

Place your link on a new line, wait a sec and it will embed itself. But yeah, that is a pretty nice image, the shadows are clean. And apparently the in camera audio can make any singer/songwriter rhyme "sausages on the fire..."

That's true... a lot more options with the ef version. I actually read somewhere, I can't find the link now... I think it was on the lens bubbles blog, that if you use a slim, no glass, md to ef adapter (i think they're used for macro shots) with an ef speedbooster, you can obtain infinity focus... I guess the glass from the speedbooster works like the corrective glass from a normal, with glass, md to ef adapter. If it even works, I wonder if it would alter the additional crop factor from the speedbooster.

Sorry, just saw this. And yeah, that's right there are speed boosters. But if I remember correctly they only have Nikon and ef? Of course, I will probably be using my Nikkor lenses anyway... they seem to be my go to lately... so we'll see.

Did not know that, good to know.

Thank you for sharing Marotte's work, I wasn't familiar with him at all. And yeah, clog from the 1dC is simply gorgeous, and to be honest I'm not sure I would trade anything the 1Dc offers for DPAF... That image is so organic, so cinematic that you almost need to physically and personally pull the focus to be a part of the process. As far as breaking the 180 rule, hey whatever suits you. I'm pretty sure @kidzrevil and @jase expose that way, and I really enjoy their work too.

It really is an awesome camera. Well worth what I paid for it. But it has a few drawbacks... 1. Media cost for 4K. I have only shot 4K twice, once for some stock footage and a second time for a short that I wanted the extra punch with. I usually shoot 1080p log. It's beautiful. The 5-Axis only works in 1080p and I am more than happy for most of what I use it for. The log I try to her close to the native ISO 500, I will light for that but will go up to 800 if need be. Anything else I usually shoot in Wide DR, I have used that up to 1600 ISO without any noise issues. By 3200 some noise does start to creep in. Hope that helps.

Hey, I have not. I do have a poor man's steady cam made by vidpro... So I have been meaning to give it a try. Give me a day or two and I'll test it out for you. Theoretically, it should work great.

Well, since I have the XC10, and the 50D for ML, the GX85 almost doesn't make sense anymore... Especially since the quality in 4K doesn't really seem all that much better than the 90+ Mbps the 80D is throwing out. I am going to wait and see what the M5 has in store, but if it doesn't have the higher bitrate, DPAF and 60p, I will probably sell the GX85 and pick up the 80D. Obviously if I go with the canon and it has DPAF, I will certainly want a lens or two that can utilize it. Thanks for your help.

Thanks for the test, but can you tell me how good the normal stabilizer worked compared to Dual-IS and how well the e-stabilizer on worked compared to Dual-IS? The glitch sounds like it occurred due to being propped on the window ledge. No IBIS should be used with a tripod or completely steady like that, it confuses the system. Pitch and Yaw would be the biggest question.

Good to know, thanks Inazuma! I was just about to bid on a used one. Do 3rd party lenses work well with DPAF (depending on the lens?) I'll look into that Canon, it's a little bit more than I wanted to spend, but I'll definitely keep an eye out.

I could deal with a 2.34x crop, the NX500 was 2.5x+ It was annoying, but it was definitely usable. Also that kind of crop would open up some fast c-mount options on the M5. But again, I agree it would be highly unlikely. But then again, until it is announced, the hope is alive... I would love to see them implement the 5-axis IS used in the xc10... hands down the best 5-axis I have used... of course I have only used one other... the GX85, but the Canon is like using an actual steadicam (almost)

I thought the DCI crop for the mkiv is 1.64-1.75 (arguably) but yeah you're probably right, 4K is highly unlikely. I just wouldn't be surprised by anything with Canon. It is curious that they're skipping the eos-m4 moniker and going to the m5, though. It's also curious that they are announcing the m5 at Photokina and not the highly rumored full frame mirrorless that they're supposed to be releasing by year's end... unless they're one in the same.

Here's another from the XC10. This screengrab is from a clip that originated in 4K. The first is ungraded Canon Log... And here is with Andrew's Cine 3 LUT...

I purchased the profile and the LUTS. I haven't had a chance to load them onto a camera yet, but I did test the LUTS on Canon LOG 1080p footage from my XC10. They work pretty well. Cine 3 is definitely my favorite so far. Ungraded Canon LOG from XC10... XC10 with Cine 3 LUT, no other adjustment... Now I need to do a test with a Canon DSLR to see if I can match the look of the XC10 Canon LOG with the EOSHD C-LOG. If so, this opens up a couple opportunities for a 2 camera set up. The XC10 for general shots... the meat and potatoes of a shoot, and a DSLR for any close up requiring shallow depth.

Yeah, I guess rotational could mean roll, pitch and yaw. But with the e-stabilizer definition, they explicitly state, "Jitter during motion picture recording is corrected along the vertical, horizontal, roll, pitch, and yaw axes by making use of the In-Lens Image Stabilizer, In-Body Image Stabilizer, and Electronic Image Stabilizer. (5-Axis Hybrid Image Stabilizer)" It's obviously a poorly written manual, and if "normal" IBIS worked as well as e-stabilizer, I would chalk it up to that. But since it does not, that is why I am questioning it. Do you have an ois lens? I don't have one, but that would be the way to test it. If Dual IS works better than Normal, but the same as normal with e-stabilizer, then I would suspect that the normal ibis is not true 5-Axis. That was going to be my next comment. In the end it doesn't matter. As long as everybody is happy with their settings, then who really cares, I just wish Panasonic was a little more clear with their instructional and marketing materials.

Perhaps, but if "Normal" is 5-Axis, then I am not very pleased with it. I like the e-stabilizer, but does that in fact pose issues with artifacts? Hmm. I honestly bought the camera because of the 5-Axis IBIS, without the mic it still seemed to make sense. I think a lot of the videos, I have seen online that impressed me, the videographer was probably using e-stabilization.

I spent a few minutes looking at some videos online, and I am really impressed with the 80d. Some of the videos I saw looked as good as Panasonic 4k downscaled to 1080. I am kind of in a weird place with cameras. I have two Canons... an XC10 and a 50D and one Panasonic... the GX85. I have only one native m4/3 lens... the Sigma 30mm f/2.8 and no native EF lenses. Although I really enjoy using the IBIS with the GX85, it would seem maybe a 3rd Canon to complement my XC10 may make more sense. I am also in a transitional lens phase where I am starting to swap out a lot of my manual, vintage lenses for a smaller, better overall collection. I have been looking at the Sigma 17-50mm f/2.8 for Canon and some of the videos I have seen from that lens with the 80D look beautiful. Do you know how well the DPAF works with 3rd Party lenses?

Yeah, it's definitely functioning. I just messed with it for a while with different lenses, it seems better now than with my quick test yesterday, but nowhere near as good as with e-stabilization on. With normal stabilization, I have to really concentrate on staying steady. With e-stabilizer, I can just shoot. I also can confirm that it seems to definitely handle pitch and yaw better with e-stabilizer on. I really think there is something strange with how they are describing the 5-Axis IBIS. From the picture you posted, it clearly shows that there is 5-axis IBIS in the body, but it is also a graphic just demonstrating Dual-IS. In fact, I have yet to find any information from Panasonic that mentions 5-Axis without mentioning Dual-IS in the same sentence or graphic. I understand Panasonic manuals can be confusing, but in this instance, it is clearly stated that 5-Axis, in movie mode, is obtained through e-stabilization and the symbol for normal IBIS clearly defines it as only being 3-Axis of stabilization. Something is suspect here.