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@anonim I’m on my phone right now, so it’s kinda hard to tell. I’m also not that big of a pixel peeper. I would assume the GH5 can do 10 or 11 stops, maybe 12 with vLog. The guy who posted his test before, recorded a DR graph he got online. I don’t think it’s that accurate but it gets you in the ballpark if you’re worried about it. To add to my earlier comment, I went back and looked at some of my old BMPCC/BMMCC footage this morning and I actually think there is only a half a stop to a stop difference between ProRes and Raw... really hardly noticeable at all.

I’ve noticed a little difference with the BMPCC and BMMCC between Raw and ProRes. I would say 1-1.5 stops less in ProRes. Obviously the major difference is in film mode vs video mode and that could easily be 2-3 stops. The advantage of Raw is in the color tonality. Living in the woods and shooting in rural areas, I notice it in tree bark the most. Raw will record the textural difference in a more 3D way. This can easily be described as having more DR but I think it is the minuscule color tonality that Raw is capturing and not necessarily the traditional idea of Luma based DR from shades of whites to grays to blacks. This is also something more noticeable in clouds. Years ago, there was a kid named Zach who used to post here and he was very happy with his t2i. As he should be, the t2i was a great camera back in the day. Well he decided to post an image in an attempt to decipher how many stops of DR he was getting using Tragic Lantern. I think the consensus was 6-7 stops. 6-7 stops. This was from a camera that helped start the DSLR revolution... a legend in its own right. And now, only 5 or 6 years later, we’re arguing about what camera has 1 or 2 more stops of DR... hell the fact that any affordable camera can get over 10 stops is amazing.

Keep working at it, you’ll get there. Seriously though, that looked really good. But (there’s always a but) as good as it looked, I’m fairly certain, with all else being equal, that similar results could be had with a G85 and CineLikeD. But in the end it doesn’t really matter, that would have been cool if it were shot on mini dv.

This is just getting silly now. Canon is a company that is in business to make money. To make money, a business needs to offer a product or service that people want or need. If the entry level market needed these “features,” that Canon apparently diabolically leaves out of their lower tiered camera models, and Canon was losing sales opportunities based upon these needed features, then why wouldn’t they include said features? Furthermore, I am one hundred percent sure Canon understands the entry level, interchangeable lens, camera market better than some videographers on a forum does. It’s been repeated time and time again on this forum that the market share isn’t large enough for all of these companies, so eventually other companies will go the way of Samsung and I can guarantee it won’t be Canon. With that being said, I do wish Canon would be more aggressive with their lower tiered products because I love using Canon cameras. But when it comes time for me to upgrade, and if Canon doesn’t offer a product I need or want, then I will look elsewhere but I won’t waste my time assigning conspiracy theory motives to their marketing and product choices.

The 5D Mark IV is a professional photography camera that shoots video, not a video camera. Just because Panasonic gives those features on a camera doesn’t mean every brand has to or needs to. Sony and Panasonic serves their other industries with their camera lines. Sony shows what their sensors are capable of in their cameras. Panasonic introduces HLG/HDR to create a market for their TV features. All of these companies have agendas, people just have blinders on when it is the company who manufactures the camera they enjoy the most. Most likely, the only reason Canon even put 4K in the M50, is to entice smart phone users who are looking for an interchangeable lens camera. But they surely won’t give all of their top of the line features to one of their entry level cameras... Especially when they have the 7D Mark III and 90D release on the horizon... no camera manufacturer does that. To add, we’re hanging out in a prosumer/consumer, photographers world here. To evaluate these camera releases solely on video features is an exercise in futility.

Yes in 1080p but I assume there may be an overheating issue with DPAF in 4K on such a small camera. Probably why there is a 4K video crop as well.

C’mon now Jon, Panasonic doesn’t even give the all-i 1080p to any of their sub $1000 cameras. All companies have product tiers with more features in the higher tiered products. The 5D4 is nearly two years old with the older processor. And to many, mjpeg is a solid codec that editing programs can cut like butter. Some of my favorite Panasonic videos were shot in mjpeg with the GH1/GH2 hacks. I don’t really care what cameras people use. In fact, I love the competition these companies have. It only helps us. But this notion that Canon isn’t innovating or they’re holding back is ridiculous. They’re the first company to have fully manual video mode, first 4K DSLR, first 4K 60p DSLR, first company with usable video AF, first company to put a Log Profile in a DSLR... etc...

You could always do the old mini dv trick of stacking the same shot on two different video tracks. A B&W video track of the same clip with a lower opacity can beef up the image a touch.

No, a GH5 cannot record 4K ProRes. So, you would either need a 4K recorder or a higher end camera like one of the BlackMagic Ursa cameras.

Great samples. And very good points, Jon. Although it should be mentioned that those videos were shot by professionals, with professional crews, using professional lenses, and professional level support gear, corrected and graded by a professional colorists, with a professional production staff to put all of the elements together. Those guys, with their resources, would make a t2i look amazing. With that being said, the GH5 and GH5s are amazing cameras and would be for double the price. And I don’t see anyone arguing this with you.

Seems interesting. I wish Kinefinity would come out with a pocket camera. If it were cheap enough, I’d definitely give it a try... and maybe a direct competitor for BM would give them a kick in the ass to develop a pocket 2 or lowering the price of the original.

Cheap Nikon Series E 50mm 1.8...

128 will give you about 25min

Well that was the guy who hacked the GH2... I assume he has some contacts? As deezid said, the 6K anamorphic mode seems to have less in camera sharpening... so with a good downscale, you can probably get some cinematic 2K/3K. Now I only shoot 1920x810 2:35 on my 5D3, so I agree 1080p is usually more than enough. But with the GH5... the softer 6K anamorphic with IBIS is definitely a selling point that the more expensive GH5s cannot do.

It’s literally the 3rd comment down from the top of the page linked. It very well may be BS but Vitally may have some insider knowledge. Either way, always a pleasure. I was making a joke about the GH5s not getting IBIS due to that Amazon show needing a couple of crash cams...

Sorry it was personal view... https://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/18330/panasonic-gh5s-gh5-s-4k-video-edition/p14

I think it was on 43rumors... supposedly they got substantially less pre orders than they projected. I assume if it’s true (it probably isn’t) the reduction will be closer to the 15% number. But yeah, if it is true... 40% off... I need a crash cam too...

Sorry, didn’t realize you already have an NX500. I didn’t own a native lens when I owned mine, so honestly I didn’t even realize it had PDAF... I probably wouldn’t have used it anyway at the time. With that being said, the 4K AF on the M50 does not look that good... don’t know if that is a dealbreaker for you. Rolling shutter doesn’t look that great either and I don’t remember there being any issues with RS on the NX500. So if you need really clean 4K with PDAF quality AF, the M50 isn’t probably for you. If you can get by with good 1080p and the best AF in the industry, then maybe it’s worth it.

Have you compared the 6K anamorphic mode from the GH5 to the 4K of the s? Any discernible differences in IQ?

Was that rumored 15-40% GH5s price reduction a bunch of BS or is that still floating around?

Well to be fair... The Grand Tour ordered 4 GH5s’... so that’s just guaranteed money in the bank... The GH5s is intriguing and I agree that sensor is pushing a little more mojo than the GH5 but dollar for dollar, if I were in the market for either/or, I’d go with the GH5 for IBIS and 6K anamorphic. However, I still think both cameras have an innate videoish look to them that reminds me of PBS local programming or low budget travel shows.

I have been seeing some nice footage from the GH5s. A lot less footage than a month or two after the GH5 release, but better quality overall. But... It still should have had IBIS... probably the biggest product mistake of the year. If you’re okay with import models, a GH5 can be bought for $1499 brand new. With IBIS and 6K anamorphic... it’s hard to beat for some extra lowlight...

Buying an NX500 right now at $700-$800 (used price) and Lenses for it is akin to buying a bag of rocks. In static shots the 4K I’ve seen from the M50 looks pretty good. The rolling shutter is troubling and the AF needs some tweaking but the 1080p looks really good with amazing AF. So I’m my opinion, I think it’s an okay first effort into 4K in the entry level, consumer camera, 4K market.

Yeah that RS is horrendous. As is the AF in 4K. But, on my iPhone, I really could tell no difference in IQ between 1080p and 4K. Hmm... I still think this could be a good buy when the price drops.

The M50 should be as good as the NX500 with a hair less MPs. The crop is about the same and I’d suspect in most situations, the M50s 4K AF will be better. Plus the NX500 doesn’t have full time focus peaking, so as soon as you hit record you lose it plus there was something odd with framing... I believe it had to do with it not having an official movie mode. And finally, if you need this for vlogging, the 1080p will be fine with great DPAF and no crop.