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  1. The 1k to 3k market is so big because it includes the casual shooter - those that will buy their first camera; and those the will buy the camera to test it out and resell it later. It's a huge segment especial if it includes semi-professional, and professional videographers and photographers. The a7iii hit that mark. The s1h is too expensive. People do like the camera, but it is positioned too close to "real professional" cameras like the URSA, C500, FX5, etc... For those people who have the money to buy the s1h and a business reason to buy it, they usually step up and buy a "professional videocamera" perhaps even spending a little more because it's their living. Those that will be buying their first camera will not be buying the s1h. It's just not the autofocusing since people are willing to live w/o the great autofocusing if the price is right - Pocket 4k, Ursa, zcam, etc. I think subconsciously people use the autofocusing as a reason to not buy the s1h but it's really the cost. After all, when the A7iii came out nobody complained about the price. When the s1h came out, while basically everyone was impressed; almost everyone complained about the price saying it is expensive, "but you get a lot for your money" -- or something like that. This was completely different for the a7iii -- people were basically saying it was such a steal for the price. For the s1h to create as much excitement as the a7iii did, it needed to be cheaper WITH good autofocusing - no more than $2.5k. As it is now without good focusing, a good price for people to say "this is the camera to get" would be $2k. As a $4k camera, it does not fit into the sweet spot that will generate the most sales. I'm sure blackmagic with it's pocket 6k for $2.6K could have easily created a comparable full frame camera priced at 4k - just basically slap on a full frame sensor on their pocket camera; but they didn't because their market research probably showed them that they couldn't sell as many cameras to make it worth their time.
  2. Blackmagic has aproximately 390 employees - compare that to sony or canons camera/video division. Blackmagic is a small company and they cant "play arround" or else they will get steamrolled by the big players. I dont have the exact numbers, but between their ursa camera and pocket 4k, i bet the majority of blackmagics revenue is coming from the sales of the pocket 4k. There are just not enough buyers of the higher end cameras to support many mid to larger company. I speculate that is why red is trying to go down market. Most of the companies are targeting the $1k to 3k marketplace. This is where most of the profit and demand is. Just look at panasonic s1h. At $4k, it too expensive and "not selling as well as it should" even through it is full frame and netflix approved. Its pretty much do or die time for the a7s4 or 3. With that release sony will tip its hand on what their strategy is - be like canon or try and innovate.
  3. Short term, yes its sonys internal politics. Longterm, its blackmagic imho since blackmagic are willing to use other peoples sensors and gives what filmmakers want.
  4. No raw internal war because of patent. They might have something like BRAW and external raw but that is about it. Yeah, if the a7s4 has the rumored specs, count me out. I will probably go to blackmaigic. They have shown to be innovative. The pocket 4k seems to beat the rumored a7s4 on all fronts except for autofocusing. It's like canon trying to protect it's Cinema line of cameras all over again, but this time it's sony. Disappointed because I bought a whole bunch of Gmaster glass. Oh well.... I think if I get the pocket 4k or 6k, that should last me 4-5 years before I want something else which to me is a long time.
  5. Oh, so basically a firmware update is the only option right now. Well, that cured my GAS for a bit.
  6. This topic is fairly interesting to me. Let me pretend to know what you guys are talking about and summarize the issue. When the sigma FP is debayering the raw footage; it seems to be causing artifacts because of the algorithm it is using - a firmware update is needed to cleanup the out of camera video by using a better algorithm. Also, since RAW is RAW, davinci resolve needs an update to better read the sigma fp raw footage because it too is adding artifacts to the footage. If those two things were fixed. Most importantly, the better support of FP raw within davinci, than for $1.8k, this is a really good camera for the price. Am I seeing everything correctly? ?
  7. Except when you open the hood of a Mercedes, you actually see an engine made by Mercedes instead of a honda engine. There are instances IIRC where Red has said they designed/made something, when it was actually an off-the-self part (like the sensor; the "engine" of the camera).
  8. If we even have Ironman rolling his eyes, we must have reached peak minutia :-) slowly backing away...
  9. Technically I said apsc, and not super 35. :-) From my quick google search the ls300 sensor size is 23.46*15.64 which is smaller than apsc. However, I guess technically a MFT could fit an apsc sensor but with significant drawbacks. Perhaps that is why the LS300 was not popular (e.g., corner sharpness of MFT lenses meant for smaller sensors)? https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4327452
  10. Sensor size? I'm not sure you can put an apsc sensor into a MFT mount; I'm pretty sure you can't put a full size sensor. I think the MFT lenses would have to be redesigned.
  11. .. but yet sales of the S1H lags behind the pocket 4k. imho, most people who buy the pocket 4k, don't buy because of hype. They know what they are doing. They are not "rebel canon buyers" who buys because of brand. Everyone has a budget. If I was an arri alexa owner, I can say "who cares about mirrorless cameras? S1H, pocket 4k, etc.. Arri has 14 stops, 16bit, 150fps".. At some point people say this is my budget, and I'm willing to live with the features (or lack of features); but no more. Perhaps the extra $500 is something they didn't want to pay to get a new GH5s. Or perhaps they just really like BRAW. I don't know. One would have to do a survey to get a more accurate picture. For me, the pocket 4k is a better camera for the price. Even if GH5s had the same flexibility in editing (which I'm not totally convinced of), the pocket 4k is still cheaper than a new GH5s. Another thing that would be interesting to find out is who has a larger marketing budget? Panasonic or Blackmagic? I suspect Panasonic.
  12. Costs... Pocket 4k is still cheaper than the gh5s. Also, if you are comparing it to the S1H; you can get the EVF and stills camera by additionally buying a used a7iii, and you will still be paying about the same price as a S1H. Also, when the gh5s first came out, it was arround $2.5k. Instead of buying an a7iii, buy an a6000 plus the pocket 4k - this would be about the same price. Cost is always a concern, and the pocket 4k is well priced (hence the msrp hasnt dropped since release).
  13. Well, if both cameras are using the same sensor, and BRAW is closer to RAW (from what I hear, it's raw after the debayering) then the Pocket 4k/ 6K is going to win. The question is by how much (is it a lot or a little)? and if it is worth the BRAW workflow? but from many people, I hear the workflow is not cumbersome and rather efficient and easy to work with. SoooooOOoooo.. perhaps, I am missing something?
  14. Yeah, I think the S1h is too expensive. Panasonic mis-judged the marketplace. I think this will be the same situation for the new 1dx. By the time the S1h becomes affordable, something else will make our mouths water (14bit blackmagic pocket 8k? :-).
  15. Sony is very popular in the marketplace for hybrid cameras. There are a lot more "casual" sony video shooters as compared to MFT users. For these users, video is important, but not important enough to obsess about it by participating in a forum discussing the minutia of video quality :-) These "casual" shooters make up the majority of the $1-4K usd video market. They are the most important market segment for the big Japanese companies. They could buy other brands canon, fuji, blackmagic, etc. but they also want a good stills camera. Sony is the best hybrid camera for them. This is one of the reasons canon is losing marketshare.
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