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Canon, who probably doesn't make M43 sensors and doesn't also apparently doesn't sell to anyone else. Unless Panasonic convince Canon to make an M43 sensor for them. Theoretically, Samsung should also have a sensor, from their various wafers, that they could simply cut to M43 size. Though they may have to match exact Panasonic requirements. Also, Samsung does dual pixel PDAF extremely well. Samsung had circumvented the lack of dual pixel on it's own 108MP sensor with a ToF sensor in the Note20. And it seems to have done it extremely well. Panasonic could easily use ToF to circumvent the Sony sensor purchase conditions.

Since Panasonic's USP is video, and that is what established the almost cult status for the GH2 and pushed the GH5 ahead of the competition for so many years, Panasonic can do this, to eat Sony and Canon's lunch. 1. Create the GH6 and GH6s with faster readout of 4k and 6k, 4k at 120fps and 6k at atleast 6k at 60p, and RAW, out through the HDMI (or dual cables for USB 3.2) or into a re-designed YAGH at $500. Also, 1080p at 240fps. All with 10-bit 422 and 14-bit RAW options (compressed out of camera). 2. It needs to create a new YAGH version (about 30% the size of the original) and the unit's sole purpose should be to compress RAW into various settings (which should prevent it from suffering from RED's fake compression patent issues), and then allowing it to be transferred to a tiny SSD unit (which could be parked within that). And the GH6 Series and the Yagh Version could be connected via USB 3.2 (they could do a double USB 3.2) connection, and this should speed things up considerably). Panasonic could sell this unit for $500 and users could buy the tiny SSD seperately. Also, I suspect that one of the latest off the shelf Snapdragon or Mediatek processors could do this. 3. With a $1750, it could easily eat into the Market of Every Video Shooting ILC including the Sony A7siii and even the R5. And, both of those have different levels of reliability, especially on the field (neither of which could be high enough). Considering that an (in)famous site for filmmaking gear testing, has finally moved the A7sii from 14 stops to 10.6 stops of usable dynamic range (which is less than the 10.7 that they've given the GH5s), it should be safe to assume, that with the latest generation of M43 sensors, and better VLog as well as CDNG, the next Generation of GH Cameras should be in the ballpark of 11.5+ stops, rated conservatively, by the same site. Which means, this figure should be very similar to that from the A7siii and the R5 and R6, when tested by the same site or within ).5 stopd of either). Panasonic should not think of the GH Series eating into the FF market. They're very different segments and peopple's mindsets govern that, even more than the actual capabilities or feature set.

I don't think Sharp's camera will be any good. They just made it for bragging rights. Plus it's an 10-bit ADC and so the whole dynamic range and image may be disappointing. Am gonna sleep now. Good night.

Could you share the source.

Most likely the IMX492. It can do 8k at upto 30fps (thought at 10-bit). Whoa. That's interesting.

What's S5?

A lot of issues with newer ILC releases seems to be that Sony has almost sole monopoly of ILC image sensors. If Canon wasn't round, there would have only been Sony ILCs. So in some ways Sony attempts to abuse its control of the sensor Market. I noticed this with the release of the A7Riv, being almost immediately after Fuji released its medium format 100MP camera the fujifilm gfx 100. And surprisingly they seem to have similar dynamic range and the exact same Pixel pitch. Which means that they're probably made from the same silicon wafer. The Sony also undercut the Fuji in price and size, and then features as well. Which makes me wonder, that since many times the same technology of sensors are used in varying sensors sizes, with the same bit (depth) ADC, sensors with the same pixel, should, theoretically provide not just the exact same dynamic range, but also the same exposure latitude. Which means that if the GH6 and the Sony A7Riv were made from the same wafer, they should, theoretically have the same dynamic range and exposure latitude. Correct me if I am wrong. Maybe this is the right time for Panasonic to start giving out its list to the rumor sites. BRAW would be a great feature, if it doesn't plan to have with ProRes onboard. Or perform a compression trick with CDNG that doesn't violate on that rubbish fake Patent of RED.

I agree. Sony suddenly does have the great leap it did, in dynamic range either. Hopefully it puts intense pressure on Sony to improve the next generation of Image Sensors, espefor ILCs to perform even better. Canon tried to do a Sony. There wasn't any need to make small FF cameras. Especially if they handicapped performance so greatly.

The sensor already has AF points (/pixels) on it. So Panasonic doesn't really have to re-invent the wheel. The recording limitations the inability to cool down. They should set the recording limitation by way of firmware instead of trying to cripple by keeping all components too close go each other, and have no heat sink of any kind.

It's actually a HUGE Shame. Canon had actually created a sensor for the R5 that has the performance of the class leading benchmark scores and even better. It has way lesser rolling shutter than anything Sony produces in 45MP, has superb dynamic rance, has 12 Stops of dynamic range with Clog 1 (which should go up another 1-1.5 stops with Clog 3), and so many great video frame rates. It also has probably class video autofocus. So for Photography it's a monster. But some jackass in Canon decided to keep this the size of a pocket pooch, so that it starts over heating even before one starts rolling. So it's basically unreliable for video. And what's with the dual cards, but you can't use them simultaneously as a backup in case of care failure or some other glitch. Why could Canon have had 2 card card slots and with the capability to record both simultaneously. The terrible mini HDMI can also be overlooked, if these are sorted. But what a monumental waste of arguably the best sensor in an ILC that has ever been created. Sony probably seems to triple its R&D budget to counter this one. Canon should just sell the sensor to Panasonic and let them make magic with it.

All I know, right now, is that Canon and spineless YouTube influencers are trying to tell us half truths and lots of lies. I will let early users and non-paid reviewers give us the realm picture. From reasonably honest reviewers, it isnt looking very good for Canon. For a camera they have had in the offing since Adam and Eve, that isn't a good sign. And especially when they were all over, even before they actually released. Dependability should be the No.1 requirement for a camera, especially for this price point and the targeted demographics.

You do realise that it overheats when it is switched on, regardless sof whether you shoot photo or video. Which means, if you shoot enough photo, it will overheat then, as well. So it's not an issues endemic to shooting video alone. As long as the camera switches on, it is overheating.

Which seems to corroborate the idea that Canon is recalling its R5 and R6 lineup, due to terrible heat management issue. Heating up is Not the issue, the inability to cool down, even after the camera has been switched off is.

If Panasonic the GH6 or GH6s anywhere over $2000, it will be a monumental disaster. M43 has always maintained the price and size advantage over FF and even APS-C (apart from reliability). It's already lost the size advantage, thanks to terribly size FF and APS-C cameras, and the ever increasing size of M43. If they lose the price advantage too, they are doomed. I also feel, Panasonic needs to fix the HDMI lag (apart from the slow and often unreliable video autofocus).

And Panasonic absolutely needs PDAF. There is no alternative to it.

I couldn't agree more. The R6 is $2499, the R5 is $3899 and the A7siii is $3498. Out of these, only 2 are Hybrids, and the A7siii can solely be used for video. All 3 seem to have overheating issues, and their battery life is still to be tested. And then there are all sorts of crop factors, further in video, and rolling shutter seems to have improved, but an M43 sensor should offer vastly imporoved rolling shutter, for the same generation sensor technology. Because the R6 is $2499, the R5 is $3899 and the A7siii is $3498, Panasonic should target both the GH6 and GH6s (If a GH6s is required) at $1750 each (Or lower, considering the XT3 and XT4). That would be half the price of the A7siii, and offer many advantages over that camera and many disadvantages compared to it too. I suddenly feel that the bit-depth should be increased to 16-bit, from the present 12-bit. It will help improve the photographic capabilities of the GH line, and also improve how it handles the image in general, helping with exposure latitude that is usually a weakness of the M43 photographic cameras. Panasonic also should avoid the specs race for EVF and few other things, to ensure perfect cost cutting, without compromising features. I have a few more ideas to help gear up the GH6 Series, to make them relevant for another 3-4 years, with the right features.

You articulated it precisely. FF cameras have to be huge, to be able to manage reliability issues. The 5D's all the way upto Mark iv only has like 30 mins of recording time, and half or less of that with higher frame rates. And the 1Dx is HUGE, even compared to something like the S1H (though, to be fair, it has a hugh attached battery grip). I agree. People say full frame all the time, like camera sensors larger and smaller than it, are somehow greatly inferior. Which is not even remotely the case. Overheating during video seems to still be a huge issue with many ILCs, and that includes FF and APS-C cameras, that try and cram larger sensors into proportionally smaller bodies and also have lousy heat sinks. Panasonic has to make a precise effort to only improve everything that the GH5 and GH5s have, and use these cameras to attract the M43 camera audience of BMCC4k and ZCam. While it can never replace RAW (with anything except perhaps RAW), it can offer advantages that actual cinema cameras will never have like weather sealing, IBIS, the ability to be used for photography with ease, ease of use, extremely ergonomics design, great battery life and usable almost right out of the box etc. The FF depth of field is almost like a joke. I noticed that a lot of TV episodes shot on the 5D have such terrible focus issues, and because the DoF is so thin, its almost impossible to get it right at higher apertures, without superb autofocus. Also, for wildlife too, at higher apertures, opened wide, it would blur the background and perhaps parts of a subject's face too much. M43 is 1/4th the sensor size of FF (actually the proportion is 1/3.6th for non MARs Sensors and the GH5s sensor is even larger). Therefore Full Frame will always offer better exposure latitude, better low light and better dynamic range. Though the XT3/XT4 (and even Nikon APS-C offerings such as the D700 and other after that), have shown, that the returns are diminishing and marginal, as the sensor and pixel size keeps increasing. Also, 13-14 sops for video as SNR of 1 seems possible and more in the ball park of 12 usable stops at SNR of 2 seems reasonable. So, M43 cameras can be reasonably close to FF in quality, at a much greater price advantage. And way greater reliability.

At 1:21:30 onwards, without explicitly saying it, Sean Baker implies that things are in the offing. Meaning the GH5 successor, and that users should just be a little more patient. I have to agree with you. M43 could easily get a new video sensor (or 2), that have atleast another 0.5 to 1 stop more dynamic range than what is already on the GH5 and GH5s, along with much higher frame rates. Panasonic should just hurry up with that. They could release the camera at the end of the year, but they should atleast start giving us hints and posting rumors on M43rumors.com. Sometimes curiously does kill the cat 😉

Any idea about the bitrates?

Like I mentioned above. A face off between the Sony and the Canons. For overheating.

Very likely that the Sony is (incorrectly?) being sounded for overheating by the direct sunlight, mistaking it for sensor overheating (since the body records the temperature, it mistakes dissipation from the sensor to direct heating of the body). That's an interesting little circus trick that the Sony has.

The Sony and Canons need a serious face off. And the S1H to the mix, for the purpose of getting the ballpark right.

That's primarily an issue with the mount size (circumpherence) to sensor size (diagonal). There isn't much wiggle room. That's a design flaw. They started with APS-C and then Full Frame happened in the design stage. Or they wanted to make it the chihuahua of APS-C/FF ILCs.

Without external recorders and other ideas for dissipating heat. No lenses which aren't black either. White lenses will obviously absorb less heat.

I would agree. Reviewers need to test all cameras with exact temperatures and time durations mentioned. Between the S1H, A7siii, R5 and R6. From 21 to 36°C, and in the shade and in direct sunlight. Though in direct sunlight the camera body absorbs a lot more light, due to urs colour. So that should be tye ultimate pressure test.