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D850 pixel stores 10,000 more electrons than A7R3 pixel. So ISO 64 is not just a gimmick number that anybody can add to the spec list. Its indication of a state of the art read out circuit that is capable of handling such a massive amount of electrons. Also, Sony's advantage is not their fab devices and tools (they're far behind Samsung, TSMS, GloFo in nod size anyway), their advantage is their huge asset of IP. AND some of those IPs are bought from Nikon, like PDAF and some Exmor goodies.

Well, TowerJazz has several fabs.. if they can make sensors for Panasonic, they certainly can supply Nikon, which orders in much higher volume.

NR sources usually report numbers a bit higher or lower than what it actually is, mostly because they have early access to technical spec list, rather than marketing materials. Total number of pixels is not the "effective" pixels. However, I think at least one of these two sensors is going to be made by TowerJazz.

They said they cancelled it because they were not profitable as they expected at that price range. Even with your logic, stacked sensors are the bottleneck, since there is a processor AND a DRAM right behind them! Give customers a 18-50mm lens and see what happens in exif data of publicly posted images.

Now I understand why Nikon cancelled the DL. If you can't make a modern premium compact and yet keep it under $1000, you better forget it.

Thanks a lot bro

This is the result of having direct communication with your customers (Japanese should take note), yes its bulky, but in this case bulk is not necessarily a negative thing for me. With this developments in stabilizer industry I bet camera makers will ditch IBIS eventually. Its costly complicated mechanical thing that also exacerbates the heat issues.

OR they can deliver BOTH solutions, a Z mount Df style mirrorless, AND a D750 successor without mirror. And see which works better in long term. But lets face the fact. The problem legacy lens owners have is not really about mount compatibility. The problem is the AF motor in their lenses. All mirrorless system use CD as main AF or complementary AF to PD, and you know DSLR lenses suck in CD. They are designed in a way to move heavy glasses in few but big steps, not doing many but small back and forth movements.

Canon and Nikon have legacy advantage, Olympus/Panasonic have advantage of a well established and very well supported mount, Sony has advantage in sensor tech and huge IP assets in that field. What's gonna be Samsung advantage? Higher framerate? Thats far from enough.

Top dogs in DR has only 12 stop if you count the "useable" ones. So for today's sensor tech, anything beyond 14bit is just wasting the storage space. If they could manage to reach 15 stop or something, then we talk about 16bit, but that sensor should have the most noise-free pixel ever invented to achieve that. http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Hasselblad X1D-50c,Nikon D850

What's special about medium format color and why you think its not achievable by 14bit raw?

And you need that for what?

Hope they both keep their mounts. I don't have any Leica lens to put on a short flange mount. I just need my AF lenses work flawlessly with the upcoming mirrorless. Reserve compactness obsession for DX format.

Canon's dual pixel doesn't show this issue.. so it has something to do with masked pixels.

That awkward moment when A9 owner realizes he spent $2500 more than he should.

Did you notice that they just reused their 24mp sensor again (bean counter love this profit margin). So all other EOS cameras with this sensor (mirrorless or DSLR) could really output 4k in crop, but they deliberately didn't use it! God damn

But has EVF. Its placed somewhere between M6 and M5 (I don't know why they didn't name it M60). So expect $800 body only. They certainly know something is coming from Nikon and want to a have a ready-to-compete alternative in the market.

Don't forget that you can use pixel binning in 6k sensor, it doesn't have to be 2x2 (skip some of greens for example). So yea no crop is possible.

For full sensor readout they have to make a stacked BSI sensor, which they haven't made yet. You don't introduce your state of the art fab tech in a consumer body, do you? Unless a big surprise is coming. Honestly I'd like to see the surprise from Nikon.. because a surprise from the last one who enters the party will be dramatic :-)

Sony should rethink their ergonomics.. even with just one picture, its obvious this Canon is way better in handling than any A6xxx.

AF is good to have, but if you gonna shoot with that like handycam, isn't full frame and particularly D850 overkill for that style of shooting? Its like saying I need 50mp cam with good Auto mode for my Instagram posts! If you do top quality work, you wouldn't trust AF. Even the smartest ones are dumb.. they can't realize which objects worth to be focused, which one is likely to be next target, how fast should be transition, and how long should keep doing nothing. (Maybe one day AI comes to help, but even AI is usually programmed to do routines, it can't read your mind). On the other hand, AF lenses are designed for photography where focus breathing is not such an important issue, and none of them are parfocal (except new fly by wire lenses). NatGeo shooters are using RED with white exotic Canon tele lenses on it, and focus manually, even in tracking a fast animal. Think about that. Even a tiny focus hunting, or faster than intended transition is not allowed in that thin DoF. IBIS is also good to have, but eliminates the chance of sensor chip to get rid of its heat, which translates to higher noise at pixel level. Again if you do top quality work (or trying to get the best quality work possible with a top still camera), you wouldn't like to have any extra noise. The best approach is what Samsung did: optical+electronic stabilization.

Even with this crazy specs they can't get considerable market share. At best case scenario it will eat their own D750 lunch.

It might be politically incorrect opinion here but 90 percent of scenes we tend to shoot need just 9 stop of DR, or less :-)

Its not a rumor, its just clickbait BS. Nikon didn't even share a bit of F mount protocol with them that resulted horrible AF experience with almost any ART lens. They're too far from doing collaborative projects, let alone being friends. But Sigma will start reverse engineering the Z the first day the first Nikon mirrorless is available in the market. BTW, Nikon just filled a patent for mirrorless 14-28mm f/2.8 lens. I hope they deliver this one.

None of Canon mirrorless bodies have 4k, full read out or crop, and none of them have IBIS. But they're stealing market share from Sony, Olympus and Panasonic. What we perceive as a successful product could be very different from what the company managers see as successful. Anyway, at least we'll have a better-suited-for-FF mount. I post this in other forums and put it here too: Z mount has more than 6 degrees advantage over E mount. This let them, and third party lens makers, try some interesting optical designs. From insanely wide aperture to insanely wide focal length.