ND64

Almost no DR advantage for being non stacked! I don't know it shows Panasonic got it wrong, or Nikon did a great job with its stacked design

Overal average shipped value is a lot lower

But that's because of all apsc bodies out there. At $800 their profit margin is very thin. So they have to double it at least. That's why the $1500-2500 area is so crowded with options. 

So it wasn't Dji making a L mount camera after all? 

I think it looks chonky because its a power zoom APSC lens.

They could make the lens faster without making the body bigger. I'd like to have a soft corner f/2.8 that jumps in sharpness at f/4, than having no f/2.8 at all. 

2 hours ago, ita149 said:

Maybe the NR issue at high ISO on Dpreview is also related to LR ?

NR is not an issue. It's a strategy to satisfy that part of the market that is obsessed with noise, with the price of making others who prefer data integrity angry; and apparently that sounds reasonable compromise for some camera companies.

However, I don't know what's going on with DPR's studio shot that even at base ISO, there is noticeable difference in resolution (not sharpness) compared to similar sensors:

2 hours ago, Walter H said:

Most striking to me was the shadow noise comparison with a backlit subject

Panasonic uses NR on still RAW in a still oriented camera, let alone video.

Reviewers bash Nikon for its h.265 implementation that doesn't allow to disable NR, but say nothing when Canon/Panasonic doesn't allow to disable it on RAW! 

1 hour ago, Django said:

Very likely FX3ii will use the A9iii sensor and have 24MP/6K global shutter. 

Sony giving its most expensive sensor for half the price? I doubt that.

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

I'd rather have the Z6 III sensor than FX3 sensor actually.

6k is always better than 4k. But Z6 III achilles heel is lowish DR.

On 3/8/2025 at 9:22 AM, ND64 said:

I want them to make a FX3 killer with low noise 5k sensor, 120fps, active cooling, and RED codec/log. 

Apparently they're working on it, with Z6iii senaor tho

https://nikonrumors.com/2025/03/13/new-nikon-z-video-oriented-camera-rumored-to-be-announced-later-this-year-similar-to-the-sony-fx3.aspx/

There is also this short film festival:

https://www.festivalnikon.fr/en

Many of submitted works are very creative. Edit is professional, color grading as cinematic as it gets:

https://youtube.com/@nikonfilmfest

So many talented people are out there, and I wonder why we don't see them in this forum? I want to hear their BTS stories.

1 hour ago, IronFilm said:

I predict the same will eventually happen for Medium Format as well

There is 5 companies that use Sony full frame sensors: Sony (both still and cinema), Nikon, Panasonic, Leica, and now Sigma. Also some variants of the sensors these companies use are available for cctv and machine vision. That volume of production lowered the price. That's not case with MF. 

2 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

And if getting a lot of detail in the image isn't a goal, then the higher NR settings SOOC might be just fine anyway!)

I mean even iPhone could achieve 12 stops! with NR. 

Its more like an engineering horse race and some people love to bet. Of course exposure mistakes happen, but nobody should make a 5 stops mistake. 

So CinedD published their new lab test and in imatest there is not a noticeable difference between Z9/Z8 and R5ii

5 stop under with NR shows different color cast

But AF striping noise is visible in Canon image, even after NR

So despite super35 being better choice for documentaries, they go full frame because they use convenient zoom lenses that are slow, and need the low light performance of low res full frame sensors, and only Sony offers that in several form factors. Did I get it right? 

50 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

want to see Facebook groups die a death.

Would die long ago if marketplace wasn't added to the platform. Zuck is idiot, but his team is clever at resurrection of zombie services. Reddit is another example of how people get used to live in terrible places. Its ocean of high value information/experiences/stories, but it needs high mental capacity to explore. Its cascading comment section is unbearable. Garbage/bot volume is insanely high.

We need more smaller, neat, well administered forums; and less public squares. 

Nikon's zealousness in keeping backward compatibility for lenses made their early efforts for DSLR video almost fruitless and hurt them badly in market share. Canon's fully electronic EF lenses, on the other hand, made the DSLR video "useable" for the first time. Nikon's engineers were always ahead of competition in increasing the data bandwidth; the reason they managed to make D90, but the overall performance of a camera is dependent on many things, and bandwidth is only one of them. They're still amazing in bandwidth, as they introduced 8k60p raw with no serious overheating issue, and now they're not handicapped by ancient mount system. 

Every Japanese camera maker had a modernizing issue somewhere in the last decade. Nikon with modern lens, Canon with modern sensor, Sony with modern codec/storage media, Panasonic with modern AF. But there is one that all of them are equally incapable of: modernizing the menu and UI.

I want them to make a FX3 killer with low noise 5k sensor, 120fps, active cooling, and RED codec/log. But they won't. They're much smaller a company than Sony, and have to spend the limited R&D budget on upgrading the current line up. And they have to ramp up their glass business too; they have much work to do: filling the gaps in still lenses, and develop cine lenses (they got curiosity from cinema community, now they need their attention). 

54 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

2 hours ago, ND64 said:

In Nikon's CP+ booth they had RED with Sony lens on it. They're now officially endorsing that.

Is this a Z-mount Komodo with a Sony E-mount adapter? LOL!

Yes, second camera from the left. 2:00

22 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

really is the USB of lens mounts

In Nikon's CP+ booth they had RED with Sony lens on it. They're now officially endorsing that.

The thing about smartphone industry is that the hardware and production is the easy part these days. The hard part is making deal with operators, and they work like cartels. And its too late anyway. The market is so saturated and competitive that even Chinese brands with thin profit margin are struggling to attract new customers. This new approach of magnetic m4/3 lens is sign of that. For 99% of people picture quality of flagships is so "good enough" that they see no reason to upgrade, and AI is not much a differentiator. So Chinese are attacking the niche areas of the market. 

53 minutes ago, Django said:

Another major one would be  open gate

The C30 mode, which is 30fps burst for still, is limited to jpeg and HLG is not available. It can be a hint that open gate video with log profile is beyond sensor/CPU capabilities. 

With all the firmware updates its different camera than what it was at release date

11 minutes ago, cosarth said:

frantic panoramic movements that no one will ever shoot in real life.

Democratization of videography introduced a group of people to the community who do. The expectations of a TikToker from a dedicated camera is obviously different than mine.