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​That's hardly true or fair. The rumor guys do a pretty good job and they may have their preferences but they do not act like fanboys.

In the end, unfortunately, the review conclusion is in accord with the first impression a lot of us had when the first video from the E-M5 MKII started to pop up. Sure there was one or another that looked good, but when there are more videos that don't look good, it's hard to believe that it was by chance.

I'm still interested to see if Panasonic can pull up IBIS - even more now that Sony has it and in a FF! - in video or what that last rumor about their video camera really is.

I know people are skeptical and the truth is that I also don't have any expectation about it but I think that there are more chances of Fuji delivering 4K than Olympus. The X-Trans may be a problem but I believe that if they do a full sensor readout like Panasonic, Sony and Samsung do, X-Trans won't be a problem anymore. I should be like a motion sequence of electronic shutter taken pictures, right? And in recent interview a Fuji manager mentioned that there are a lot of benefits from a higher speed full readout. Now some rumors about Fuji putting 4K on their next XPRO2 is starting to pop up.

Fuji may end up not putting 4K, who knows but they could very well use full readout to make better video instead of the line skipping and binning - which will not work well on the X-Trans CFA. Fuji can produce lovely images, couldn't they deliver better video from full readout output? Maybe rolling shutter won't be great, but if they can start by delivering better IQ in video, that's already a big step into the right direction.

In the end, although I don't expect a lot from them, when I put together their Kaizen philosophy and their manager actually saying that two of the things they have to improve is to deliver better AF and better video - since even Fuji photographers have been asking for better video - and you know that both things depend on faster full readout of the sensor, the pieces start to connect. It may be the case that they will first address just the AF, but I think better video will be coming soon.

​When that interview was published I thought that it's not possible that he actually believes that. I mean, sure electronic companies are pushing hard for 4K, but I'm also pretty sure he is aware of the other benefits of 4K, be it for creative reasons, for more DR, etc. For me it feels like an early excuse in case they don't put 4K in the E-M1. Moreover, getting the sales up is a pretty damn good reason to see a 4K potential at the moment. How many people are wanting to couple Olympus' awesome IBIS with great video? A lot. IBIS and 4K would certainly sell a lot, it's simply a market they don't explore.

Interesting.

I just gota LX100 and a friend of mine has the FZ1000, we will start some mini Docs experiments and mix both cameras together.

In my intial tests I also found out that if you go too flat, you lose color info, if you push too hard on the camera, skin color becomes pretty bad. On 0 Contrast and minor adjustments on the shadow/highlights depending on the scene was what worked best and preserved nuances.

I need to make further tests with both cameras, nonetheless the different between Standard, Portrait and Natural seem very minor indeed.

I will try to make Saturation tests and try to compare messing with the contrast and the shadow/highlight curves to see if there is any difference but at first I think I prefer to set the contrast and only then make some adjustment through the curves.

From Canon Rumors:

Cinema EOS
NAB is in April, and we’re told Canon will be making it a major announcement show this year. We’re told the Cinema EOS C300 will get a replacement and that it will shoot 4K. We haven’t received the same confirmation about an EOS C500 replacement. We’re also told there’s a chance Canon shows a new style of Cinema EOS camera, which would become the flagship and compete directly with the Arri Alexa.

I suspect there will be a lens or two announced, though we haven’t heard anything.

Other Video Products at NAB
We’re told that Canon will announce a GH4 competitor for NAB. It will be some kind of 4K ILC camera, we’ve heard the camera will have swappable parts, such as the grip and the viewfinder. We have no information on what lens mount it would be. We are told that it’s an “entry level” cinema product.

We’re also told a fixed lens Cinema EOS C100 style camera is coming and could be called the XC-10 (this could change), and that it will shoot 4K. Since it will have a fixed lens, I doubt it’s part of the Cinema EOS family.

We will be at NAB this year and hope to bring some fresh content with a few partners.

I'm a bit skeptical about this GH4 competitor, what does that mean? It doesn't make any sense. Something below C100 for $1500 but better than the C100? Will it even be an EOS-C camera? How is this camera become a GH4 competitor? Do they intent to use their poor 1.5" sensor? They don't know what mount? It almost feels like this rumor should be ignored completely because nothing makes sense.

As an overall POV about Canon I agree but I think that these new "5D" are far from being a symbol of that. I mean, who would really expect great video from a 50MP sensor? Canon is simply addressing a gap in their DSLR line up, they took sometime, but they noticed that the D800/36MP had its appeal because of the extra MP, so they pushed it harder. No true videographer would want to buy this camera for video even if it had some of the things the 5D MKIII had. Let's say Canon had innovated in video recently, this camera would still be launched without video in mind. But yeah, the overall scenario from Canon is quite conservative and extremely counter-innovative and in the long term I can't see that being a good thing - for anyone. As for th sensor, I read that i's Canon design but manufactured by Sony but it seems that it performs just like recent Canon sensors, not really on par with Sony's sensors.

​You simplified the bash on Canon way too much to sound like a simple nonsense from people and you got completely lost in the lack of context.

There is a big difference between a company that invested in video, delivered it and when people expected an evolution of that support they kind of abandoned that niche to jump into Cinema cameras than 3 companies that people don't have much expectation about their video - except now Olympus because their awesome 5-axis IBIS in video would be such a nice pair. This comparison basically ignores simple common ground and logic, it's like comparing apples and oranges.

And an "innovation that comes at a cost" is exactly the problem here, you fail again to put that into context since this is quite the opposite of they did before, they shared innovation with enthusiasts, prosumers and even professionals at an accessible cost, and suddenly if you wanted their support you had to expend 5x, 10x times more. So don't act like the reason people expect more innovation from Canon is something unjustifiable and simple nonsense.

Moreover, the main subject here is not the EOS-C line up, which may be criticized or not depending on what they deliver on their future cameras, but that's another matter. But I wouldn't simply blame all on Canon since if a lot of people still buy their cameras for video despite the lack of innovation they are not helping the case to make Canon do something about it so it's hard to take all their reasons. But anyway, there sure are reasons to bash on Canon for the lack of innovation indeed.

It has 24p, 25p, 30p, 50p and 60p in video mode. So it seems it's a global camera.

Now, let's see the video quality - the E-M1 was already a step up - and if there is any type of video feats like cinestyle, log, timecode, etc.

750D:

• Enable 24.2MP CMOS sensor
• DIGIC6 processor
• Finder penta mirror. Field of view 95%, magnification 0.82 times, the eye point 19mm
• AF 19-point cross-type. Center F2.8 corresponding dual cross
• 7560-pixel RGB-IR photometry sensor. 63 zone TTL metering
• ISO100-12800 (extended with 25600)
• The shutter speed is 30 seconds -1/4000 seconds (Synchro 1/200 sec)
• Continuous shooting 5 frames / sec.
• LCD monitor 3 inches 1.04 million dots. Vari-Angle
• Built-in guide number 12 flash
• New hybrid CMOS AF III
• Video Full HD 30fps
• Wi-Fi · NFC
• Remote operation by smartphone tablet
• Battery LP-E17
• The size of 131.9 x 100.7 x 77.8mm
• Weight 555g (CPA criteria). 510g (body only)

760D:

• 24.2MP CMOS sensor
• DIGIC6 processor
• New development of 7560 pixel RGB + IR photometry sensor
• AF 19 points
• Hybrid CMOS AF III
• Dynamic tracking continuous shooting in live view
• Top LCD panel
• Intelligent Viewfinder
• Vari-angle LCD monitor
• Wi-Fi · NFC
• Remote control with smartphone and tablet
• Creative modes including HDR movie

Via PhotoRumors & Digicame-Info

In a way I always hope that Canon can one day awake for their innovation hibernation and surprise me but that's not something I would ever bet on, it would be good to competition though.

In some interviews, Canon's executives talk about giving DSLR's video more attention now that competition stepped up but the difference between talking and doing seems quite large.

I would like to know what they are going to do with the EOS-M, the leaked images from the M3 shows a bit more serious attempt but still without the built-in EVF, so nothing aimed at high-end users apparently.

A safe guess would be to say that nothing new is going to happen with any of these new cameras. So I'm looking forward for a GH5, A7S MKII and E-M1 MK II next year. LOL.

​But that's a different matter completely since the question was about availability, not quality. Sony's video wasn't great but they were not terrible either but they stepped up recently, the A6000 is pretty good, even with AVCHD.

​Yeah, they were one of the first to deliver it with the NEX-5n and AVCHD 2.0.

For the first time in a long time organic sensor's rumors surfaced again. Panasonic will manufacture and Fuji will provide the patents and technology - Panasonic might put the micro color splitter as well, right? It seems that a Micro4/3 version might come late 2015 or early 2016. The major issues engineers were dealing with were overheating and power consumption, did they solved it or maybe they had to make some concessions like to make a bigger batttery, a bigger body, etc. From some things I read, just like BSI sensors, organic sensors might be more efficient with higher pixel count but that would get in the way of video, so maybe they will try to keep a lower MP count, IDK.

Anyway, with the E-M5 MKII around the corner and finally with better video, 24p, etc. and Sony already selling 5-axis/3-axis IBIS on FF bodies I can only speculate that one of these days there will be a E-M1 MKII with further video improvements and an A7s with IBIS and possibly internal 4K or maybe an "A9" with such feats - since the A7 formfactor is not very good for heat dissipation, faster shutter, etc. since it's too small.

What will Panasonic do? Will the GH5 have IBIS as well? Will it have this organic sensor? The early 2016 could be a plausible date for a GH5. I'm not so sure about the organic sensor as at times, these tech are tested in smaller sensors even more if this higher pixel density is true but I do hope Panasonic can deliver something like the 5-Axis IBIS to form a perfect couple with Metabones Speedbooster. Sure, if Panasonic could really deliver the organic sensor and its high-sensitivity, it would be a great deal and game changer. Despite some nice features, the A7s is not optimal for video and the GH4 is a much more like a complete package, the main knock on the GH4 is its low-light capability and with the organic sensor that issue could be a non-issue.

The GH4 is known for great battery endurance but if the power consumption issue is true, I wonder how they are going to deal with that, as well as the overheating issue, I'm sure that Panasonic wouldn't want a GH5 to have poor battery performance and recording limitation due to overheating. Nonetheless, people might accept that if the sensitivity is greatly improved. Sony proved they could deliver a big FF sensor with IBIS, so can Panasonic deal with the overheating issue of organic sensor AND put an IBIS on it as well?

2016 will be interesting...

4K for the upcoming 5D successor? I wouldn't really bet on that. Moreover, the 50MP sensor seems to be true and any 4K solution would be far from optimum, full readout would probably mean a lot of rolling shutter and lineskipping, even more coming from Canon, would be like 1080p upscaled. But not just that, Canon has not shown any sign of actual investment in DSLR video again, they have said some things about the market and how they need to be serious, but so far, that's about that. So maybe a MKII of the 1D C is more likely, even so, I wonder how they are going to position it in the market, will it have internal 4K, faster fps or 120/240fps in 1080p? The Sony FS7 seems like a nice camera at this price point, Panasonic has not made any move towards this market - no AF100 successor if there will ever be one - so is Canon keep doing their stuff or will they be just a little bit more aggressive feature wise?

Like someone that mentioned it, I'm curious about the absence of the Sony FS7. I can't be absolutely sure, but it may be because it has not been tested yet. But this camera seems very interesting and full of features.

With Sony getting more and more ground in video, with the low light king and also now, the 5-axis IBIS, plus Samsung actually being true to their word and pushing aggressively with new firmware, I can't see no other option for Panasonic that isn't being aggressive as well.
 

Canon could very well look at ML and think like Panasonic did about hacking and then make their products better, listen to their consumers and then the hack would no longer be needed, they could use that in their favor addressing a lot of things that would make their cameras more wanted and better but then, they would contradict everything that they have done lately. So they possibly choose to look at it as a liability, as something that could harm them, something that they feel the need to protect themselves from, something that makes consumers demand things that they do not want to provide since they already have to protect their much more expensive EOS-C, as such, they may have decided to be in the way of ML. I'm not saying it's that since it's too early and there is no proof of what are their true intentions BUT, it sounds pretty plausible, unfortunately.

I'm very happy with the colours, I hope that Panasonic and Sony step up as well, Samsung's colours seem very pleasant and filmic.

Had Samsung done a camera like this some years ago, when they promissed that they were going to be #1, I would possibly had jumped into NX camera but right now, although I like it, I would wait it to mature as a camera and as a system a bit more - and wait for the others to step up.

More competitors, better for consumers.

There has been rumors about a possible A7000 with 5-axis IBIS and the great AF from the A6000. That's great but will Sony announce a roadmap for APS-C E-mount or even more glass, if not, although it should be a great camera, it makes me wonder what Sony has in mind. For video, although it only works with 3-axis on 3rd party lenses, it should be great since MD is not a problem but for photography, one would want to use AF and native lenses, right? So what's the point of going high-end without proper lens support. So I hope that if they really launch this camera, they do offer a roadmap with it.

Panasonic should announce a GX8, with Olympus and now Sony having a 5-axis IBIS, I would hope that Panasonic can offer that as well or at least offer their normal IBIS but working in video as well - as it was expected to be the case for the GX7 via firmware update. I know that GX8 would not be a video camera, but as a high-end model, it could well offer at least GH3-like 1080p, Cinelike and some others video things we have seen in Panasonic's line up. If the GX8 can offer that, it should be a compelling camera.

Solely as a phone, it probably is. Hopefully Panasonic can overcome some of the shortcomings with a future firmware update. Panasonic isn't Fuji but they have been pretty active with firmware updates, so it may depend if they can sell enough phones so it's worth the money they will need to put in R&D to make it better. I hope it does because I think this is a much better idea to put a camera and phone together than the QX from Sony.

Yeah, the review didn't do for me as well. I really think the focus should had been simply on the user experience, camera feats, video feats, etc. and some touches about the design, look and feel as well. I mean, people know the difference between iOS and Android and there are better channels that cover that, I found the constant nagging quite distracting from the real point of doing a review of this phone in a page like EOSHD - maybe it should be simply called a camera because that's how Panasonic portraited it, they said it was a camera first, phone second and it that sense it seems that it's exacty that, they are not pretending to be something else.

As a side note, for the record, I own both Android and iOS - and I could care less about OS's bash or even brand hating, I just pick whatever suits me better. I really liked lollipop, it addresses most of my complains about the previous Android's lack of cohesive overall design, luckily this phone will get the update. Since Windows Phone brought some different ideas, it took a while but Android finally adjusted to it with Material Design, as for iOS, it's quite restrictive for my taste but the bad part is that it became quite boring looking lately, but yes, it does work, that's one of the best things about iOS, it works as it should - and also because it has the best creative apps.

And I don't get the feel that Panasonic was going for Apple's market at all, that take feels like a big misread about them. Based on what was said, I do think Panasonic should had refined the design better, at least the feel because I didn't dislike the look as much as Andrew did. But that said, I don't think Panasonic has that pretension of going after premium phone market or anything like that.

It just seem like Panasonic found a way to deliver the best camera and IQ in what can still be called a phone, much better than the QX nonsense. I do agree with a lot of the cons but the constant "something something Apple iPhone" became quite annoying and almost turned this into simple fanboyism, it made it hard to finish the read, it felt like those people from facebook complaining about life. I say that because at a point, everybody already got how much you prefer one or another, the constant reminder ends up working against it. Plus, I think that whoever feels like buying this phone, the list of pros is exactly what they actually would expect from this phone and in that sense, it's as expected. It clearly didn't worked out for Andrew, but I think maybe he had a too high of a expectation about this phone and maybe he wanted too much for this to be his all-in-one camera-phone and he ended up frustrated.

Despite the price tag, I don't think this is aimed to be a super premium phone, the price is due to the sensor and optics, that's quite obvious to miss, otherwise this would had been a $600 phone or less, so it's simply a great camera that can also be used as a phone. It's for those that use the phone for usual stuff and those that would rather have the better camera than the better phone. Sure, it would had been great to have both, but maybe next time. This camera-phone was never for me but I think there are photographers that would enjoy it, hopefully, enough people so they can make a better phone next time - but hopefully a better phone via firmware update.

Does the firmware update bring any improvement in the video quality department?

One way to improve moiré would be to have full readout - but I don't know how much that would impact the rolling shutter issue -, maybe they can have that in their next sensor, even more if you count that Fuji is starting to work with electronic shutter now. I know that video is not their #1 priority but Fuji has been saying how people have been asking for improvements in video mode, so more than just the right direction, maybe they are actually willing to put an extra effort on that and that would be less troublesome now that they are already established in the other front. But it's not like I would bet on that, but knowing how Fuji's Kaizen works, it's a fair hope I guess.

That's on Panasonic's website specs sheet, they seem to be a reliable source about this matter.

What is your source for this?

 

If it is native 3840 by 2160, then it has a 2.49 crop factor and gives a 27.1 - 84.6mm equivalent field of view.

Source:  Dpreview specs on GX7 sensor and mathematics.

 

If it downscales the 16 by 9 stills crop of  4480 * 2520 (source: dpreview first impresions review of LX100) then it will have a crop factor of 2.13

and give a 23.24 - 72.52mm equivalent field of view.

That's incorrect. The gaps between pixels vary. Thus one manufacturing technique or technology does not make the same pixel size as another.

 

For example on the Blackmagic Production Camera with an 8MP APS-C sized sensor, the pixels are tiny due to large amounts of space on the front-side surface of the chip taken up by global shutter wiring.

 

And subsequent refining of 24MP APS-C sensors from Sony, et al have produced larger pixels by reducing the gap between pixels and improving the design of the micro lenses which channel light into each pixel.

Oh, forgot about that possibility, thanks. Following that, I wanted to see Panasonic's micro color splitter tech working, they said at the time that it didn't depend on new sensor tech, that they could do so with any sensor. Will that come first, will it be organic sensor first or will they be able to apply both in their next sensor?

But in the end it's not simply about the pixel size as it's about the light gathering capability and efficiency, right? Because bigger pixel size will always help that but there are also other ways to get better sensitivity without that, anyway, I guess he was talking about getting a new sensor with more DR, ISO, etc. without getting more pixels. But I don't think it would necessarily need to have bigger pixels for that.

Even if with the brightest sun it would need an ND, having a built-in ND would help in a lot of situations, it would never hurt.

I think that the LX100 successor would take more than a year to come, unless Panasonic has a new sensor tech or if Sony pushes really hard but if only depended on the camera itself I think it would have a longer life cycle.

But once I buy it and I already buy the whole ND filter kit, it won't be just a tiltable screen that would make me upgrade like that, I was talking just about the frustration feeling. I think I would only upgrade if there were some major break through like a new sensor, longer focal length, new feats, etc. or if somehow there was someone wanting to buy my "old model".

I'm not from US so, if the camera is good I might be able to sell it for the same price that I actually paid if I bought in the US. So my plan is to buy or ask someone to buy it in the US or Europe and when the time comes I sell it here without losing much money. The only issue is that Panasonic is not as hot name as Sony or Canikon, so we'll see - it took a while but I was able to sell a GH3.

I also thought about the Leica option but I've to see how much does it actually change from the LX100, video feats, firmware updates. I don't know but I imagine that Panasonic is the one that takes care and then they pass to Leica so they can make changes based on Panasonic's firmware, so it should match. If that's how things happen I also need to see how much people are actually willing to go for the Leica version here and how much I can charge for that.

I hear that Subversive, I was just offering my thoughts about the camera traditionally having been a photographic tool first and foremost rather than a video machine.  That is obviously changing now with the addition of the larger sensor and glorious 4K.  Keep in mind that a 3 stop ND filter is not particularly useful for strong daylight video shooting with a fast lens.  You would typically need a 6 to 8 stop filter to get shutter speeds down around 1/50 or 1/60 (with wide apertures).  That being the case, you would still need to stack on a vari-ND or additional 3-4 stop ND to achieve a proper video shutter angle.

 

I believe it is 100% likely that new features will be added to this camera in the next iteration, that has always been the case with most compact and mirrorless products.  You should consider the Leica D-Lux, as it will probably hold more resale value if you decide to upgrade to a new model with a flip/touch screen (I highly doubt the 3 stop ND filter will ever return).

What do you mean by same pixel count but larger pixels? If it's the same size of sensor that's simply impossible because the size of each pixels is directly related to the total pixel count.

It might come with the built-in ND and tiltable screen, but constant f/2? I would like that but I doubt it, for me this camera having a f/1.7-2.8 is already an optical miracle for its size.

I think this is the most versatile compact for all sorts of applications - for me it will be an everyday travel companion and a gh4 back up.
But we can't have it all at once, panny Wants to sell us more cameras as the 4/3 marked is growing.
Assuming that Panasonic has a much faster product cycle we will see a Lx 100 mk II in about 1 - 1.5 years if not earlyer - which will feature:

Tilting back (and selfie capable) touch screen
Built in nd
Same pixel count sensor with larger pixels
2.0 constant aperture same focal length lens

You can quote me on that :)
What do you guys think - I mean seriously