Andrew Reid

https://www.eoshd.com/news/canon-said-eos-r5-shoots-comfortably-on-high-end-production-sets-ideal-partner-to-c300-mark-iii-why-overheating-is-not-on-purpose/ My latest opinion, it's not a cripple hammer moment. They genuinely wanted this thing to be used by pros on same high-end productions as a Cinema EOS C300 Mark III. Well that's how it was sold to us in April anyway. What changed at the last minute? Were the overheating results expected and a surprise to Canon? Yep, I think so.

B-Cam to C300 III anyone? https://www.eoshd.com/news/canon-said-eos-r5-shoots-comfortably-on-high-end-production-sets-ideal-partner-to-c300-mark-iii-why-overheating-is-not-on-purpose/

It is going to go far. Phone apps already mimic the bokeh of specific old lenses. Sensor size is has gone up to nearly 1" in the thinnest handsets and dynamic range has surpassed many full frame DSLRs. But when you need manual controls, the lack of physical buttons and dials let a smartphone down and I can't see that changing much.

I would take Vitaliy with a pinch of Black Sea salt with his "rumours from a dealer" on technical matters. I am not sure why any dealer would be in the loop over internal Canon Japan engineering issues, it's not exactly as if the Japanese communicate with them on a deep level. As we have seen over shipping dates!

Oops.

Does this mean you are going to back to being a Sony fanboy instead now? Tilta seemed to get the fan out suspiciously early! Who knows what they may have heard from insiders early on? Firmware is not usually grounds for a recall though. Hardware adjustments are.

The RAWs are useful in some situations, where you want a finer grain, or to bypass image processing, over sharpening, but yeah its a softer and much noisier image with less dynamic range in RAW than in the JPEGs in most cases! Crazy!

100% agree

The 3-4 cam arrays on smartphones show the strength of the future for camera arrays. As long as they don't take it a step too far!...

Haha that's the big irony on that forum isn't it... Full of people who don't care about video and a dead video section, but woe betide anyone who upsets them with video comments! The 8K overheating... Well your £500 card will fill up before it gets to 20 mins so that's not the only issue 👍😆

I reckon the camera industry will see erosion into the enthusiast market The P40 Pro and S20 Ultra are simply too good not to use them for street photos. I can get stealthy shots with these that are simply not possible with a dedicated camera. Would take one of these over GR III or X100 any day. Everybody thinks I am taking a selfie. Nobody thinks people take photos with the rear facing camera any more 😂 In fact these highly detailed telephoto cameras like on the P40 Pro+ (10x!) are a bit of a privacy concern! The video is coming along a long way as well and live shallow DOF will improve in the future along with low light.

Yes it absolutely was marketed at professionals for video. So does that make it a professional video tool? In my view, yes! It doesn't have to be a C500 Mark II with SDI and XLR jacks to be marketed at professionals for cinematography, as Canon is doing with the R5. And you expect it to do what it says on the tin as well. Not everybody will research the overheating problems before buying one. Yes well they could be in for a surprise as well because in stills mode, live-view = video. It is continuously doing a video feed to the LCD and EVF in stills mode. So let's see how it lasts in that mode over the duration of say, a wedding.

With 28 pages to get through, it's tricky enough for people to get the required good info that is nested in this thread. Please refrain from further argumentative chatting that takes up so much room. No disrespect to any one person but we now have PAGES of it! Not good. If we are going to continue to fill page after page with opinion soup, the good info is going to get buried and missed by those coming in from Google. And there's a lot of traffic to this post at the moment. Please can we concentrate on informing those people who come to us for help. Thank you. A new test has come out, which seems to have been written with one eye on the Canon marketing department. Nevertheless it is useful to see more results come in. https://www.eoshd.com/news/opinion-on-dpreviews-canon-eos-r5-overheating-test-in-4k/ The problem with DPReview's test though is that nobody actually shoots like this, and same goes for Canon's official test. You are not usually straight into a 30 minute take from cold at start of the day without so much as a few mins in live-view for composition. And you do not take 30 minute breaks in-between 30 min interview takes. So I would like to see a proper real-world test that lasts for a day's shoot 3-7 hours. The camera is turned on in live-view for the duration, with shorter 30 second to 2 min takes recorded throughout that 3-7 hour shooting day. With no 30 min or 1 hour resting periods. Let's see how it performs in the REAL world. For those of us in cooler climates I would like to see a test on a cloudy day, 20c as well. If anyone actually has a camera and can contribute to this thread in a positive way I'm all for it!

P40 Pro is the best smartphone camera out there in 2020. The dilemma is this... Google Services hack works, but is flakey. I have it working, but for how long? First time I tried, took me 5 hours to get it working and then reset itself after I restarted the handset! Phone overall is not as nice in the hand as the Samsung S20 Ultra. A sharp metal edge at bottom digs into skin. Speaker is mediocre. Screen is smaller than I'd like (I am a Note 10+ / iPhone XS Max guy). But yes, the camera especially 5x zoom and ultra wide is in different league to the Samsung S20 Ultra 5x and ultra wide, especially in low light. The main camera is better to pixel peep than the S20 Ultra as well, but I prefer the colours sometimes on the S20 Ultra. P40 Pro dynamic range in the Leica colour modes is limited, and the HDR is laid on too much in the normal mode. The RAW files are amazing. The S20 Ultra RAW files are noisier and not as sharp. So thumbs up for the P40 Pro camera in terms of hardware. Best sensor, best lenses, best zoom and best ultra wide sensor and lens. However in reality, as an all-round phone the S20 Ultra feels more premium. Just another level up in terms of build, design, overall experience. That is not to say the P40 Pro is not also very good in these areas. These are all top end phones. Next up the Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro has a very good main sensor. But it is let down by the processing with dreadful skin tones and poor quality lenses. The zoom isn't as good, nether is ultra wide camera. The biggest problem however is how susceptible it is to slight finger prints on lens. Even almost unnoticeable amounts of greese will cause huge vertical or horizontal flares on the image whereas an iPhone doesn't do this. But the kicker is the Mi 10 Pro main sensor images are better than S20 Ultra with same sensor!! So Xiaomi got more out of the Samsung sensor than Samsung's own engineers. Xiaomi went for resolution with 2x2 binning from the 108MP. Whereas Samsung went for... I don't know what... 12MP 3x3 binning with over sharpening ramped up! But I has good dynamic range and colour, satisfying skin tones. All in all... I wish I could transplant the P40 Pro camera hardware into the S20 Ultra. My iPhone XS Max still has the most natural looking images of all of them straight out of camera with no additional processing, but it feels dated in technical terms and dreadful zoom ability in comparison to the folded periscope optics of the S20 Ultra and P40 Pro. By the way the 8K video on Mi 10 Pro and S20 Ultra is interesting. I'm comparing both at the moment. The P40 Pro video is good too in 4K/60p, but it lacks 8K. I feel like keeping the P40 Pro for the camera and using S20 Ultra as daily driver. It is an extraordinary street photography camera, is the P40 Pro, with amazingly deep depth of field on the 125mm 5x zoom end. This is unique. Everything is in focus in a telephoto frame! It's not so bad in dim light either! It nails focus every time in fact, whereas the S20 Ultra can sometimes be a bit hesitant.

Heat increases sensor noise in the image. It is the reason camera mods for astrophotography exist...

LOL. Are you implying he shouldn't have bothered?

I'm not going to go back and forth with you over conjecture. Read up on the facts and educate yourself then we can have a proper discussion about the overheating issues. Otherwise carry on as you are and get a nice ban.

This is to misunderstand the market the EOS R5 is aimed at. Canon did not go to the trouble of high video specs for nothing. It cost millions in R&D "just to please this small video crowd". It is not a small crowd at all. The modern photography business is about multimedia and mixed media. Both video and stills are needed by clients in the internet age. The EOS R5 is the mirrorless successor to the Canon EOS 5D Mark IV. The kind of people who use a 5D Mark IV will use an EOS R5. They need the reliability and the high performance video. This is a massive cock up by Canon and they will suffer big style if they don't recall it.

Correct. If someone is uninformed, I would encourage them to read up on the field tests and all the information I put in the one place here. No offence intended. https://www.eoshd.com/news/a-round-up-of-all-canon-eos-r5-r6-overheating-timings-and-field-tests/

Nikon DF Sorted. Now go away. I completely agree!! Seems still some push-back in Japan though.

Looks like Petapixel have done a u-turn on their earlier article. Funny how much stock people put in a meaningless PR statement https://petapixel.com/2020/07/31/canon-responds-there-is-no-delay-in-eos-r5-shipments/ @Cliff Totten - Thanks for the info. Of course in my opinion there are many reasons why Canon would allow the overheating to occur by design. Technologically, they may not be able to achieve the headline specs of 8K and oversampled 8K-4K or 4k/120p with their current processors and sensor technology without overheating problems. It's a lot of data. In terms of product segmentation, it may be that Canon assumed enthusiasts and photographers (maybe 90% of the target customer) would put up with a crippled video mode that cannot be considered for professional use. Ethical, not very. But you can see why they still want pros to purchase higher margin Cinema EOS cameras. I think the whole thing is disgusting on every level... the technological failure, the reliability, the marketing hype, the misleading specs, the segmentation by overheating and the unwillingness to provide a reliable tool even for $4000 that does what it says on the box. It is time to seriously question the company and for customers to stop buying these silly PR lines and defective products.

You are talking out of your arse I'm afraid. Processors become more efficient and use less energy by an order of magnitude every year.

Excuse me? What's so extreme? Matthew Allard thinks he's doing his journalistic duties asking a junior PR person in a team at a Canon subsidiary. The very definition of denial and repeating the PR line. If he bothered to dig deeper and even ask single retailer he would know there is something going on.

Q2 financial results down 93% in camera division https://www.eoshd.com/opinion/severe-canon-financial-results-see-profits-drop-93-covid-19-recalling-the-eos-r5-would-be-the-ethical-thing-to-do/

They better do. But let's be honest here, Canon is not your friend or mine. What they care about is the dividend, profit, shareholders and maximising all 3.