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It seems if you set Resolve color management like Sidney Baker-Green describes earlier on this page, duplicate your NRaw clips, rename the other as R3D, and take both to timeline, you get Red’s tone mapping and highlight rolloff controls to NRaw clips as well. They just work from Project settings to all clips at the timeline. As a bonus you have your regular NRaw raw controls as well.

It depends whether you like having presets to quickly set tonemapping and highlight rolloff in R3D or manually changing exposure, shadows and highlights in NRaw. R3D’s presets seem a bit limited compared to what you can do with Nraw’s -100% - 100% sliders. For example R3D with tonemapping low is too flat in the shadows and with hard has too much contrast. With medium and highlight rolloff set to very soft it can look ok, but if you overexpose just before clipping point while shooting highlights are too bright still with R3D. It can provide pleasing looking results too. ZR’s R3D 6k50p High is 3160 Mbps 23,7GB/min and Z8’s NRaw 8k50p Norm is only 2890Mbps 21,67GB/min. Kind of tempted to try ZR, buth with these data rates, double the NRaw Norm it is a no go, and even Z8 8k data rates would be more tolerable. At least you have more options to choose from now.

Didn’t the ZR have a setting for H.265 NR in the menus? Could it be be that on pre production models it is set to stonger setting than on other Z bodies. To my eye H.265 on Z6iii is good, better than S5ii’s 4:2:0. Thought about Z8 too, but according to Cinematools Z8’s 4k120p has worse quality than Z6iii’s in DX mode, and I find the ability to crop 1.5x quite handy. Z8’s 4k 2.3x would need changing some of my lenses to wider ones. Played more with NEV to R3D trick, and still prefer Nikon colours and Raw controls to Red. In addition R3D Media management in Resolve does not work, it does not export trimmed clips. If you trim the NEV clips and export, NEV to R3D trick does not work any more. Usually fill a 2TB card in one day, so working trim is a must to save only the important parts. Tried ProresRaw too and file sizes are just huge and Raw controls not so good. With NRaw I can color correct basicly from the Raw panel quickly.

After playing more with NEV to R3D converted Z6iii clips I prefer the Resolve’s NRaw Camera Raw panel controls, especially for adjusting WB, exposure, highlights and shadows. In Red Raw panel your options are a bit more limited. Chroma NR tab is nice and could be the reason why ZR DR is said to be better, at least it cleans the raised shadows a bit without touching Resolve’s other NR controls. Tried also to shoot from the hip by using Z6iii’s LCD to mimick shooting with ZR. Hard to imagine how big a difference a 4 inch screen could make compared to 3.2. I guess I am just an EVF shooter, as on my first Canon 550D back in 2010 I had EVF loupe attached,which magnified the LCD 2x and gave additional contact point. But it’s nice Nikon users have now more options to choose from.

Really funny indeed, it seems with long takes the only way to trim and save only important parts of footage is through Resolve’s Media management. Tried to rename clips to R3D first in CFExpress, but exporting trimmed parts from Resolve did not work. Compared one old clip and other than R3D’s chroma NR there was not much difference to NEV. Have to test this more with clips that are saved straight from card as NEV.

Except it does not work if you import the NRaw clips from CFExpress to Resolve timeline, cut and export the parts you want to save via Media Management and then rename .NEV to R3D in Finder. it only works if you copy the clips straight from CFExpress to some Finder folder, then rename them, and after that import them to Resolve. It seems Resolve media management is doing something while exporting the .NEV files.

This seems to work both in NRaw High and normal, when renaming .NEV to .R3D in finder and then importing files to Resolve.

Yes, the IQ you get from Lumix 200Mpbs and 300Mbps H.265 files is quite good. Z6iii H.265 is 400Mbps, and IQ a bit better than what S5ii had. Tried also ProresRawHQ on GH7 and Z6iii and the data rates are even bigger than NRaw High. With 2TB CFExpress card Z6iii gives this estimate for 6k25p record times: NRaw High 171min 1559Mbps NRaw Norm 336min 794 Mbps ProressRawHQ. 65min 4102 Mbps 4k25p ProressHQ 316min 844 Mbps 6k50p NRaw Norm 168min 1587 Mbps 4TB USB C SSD is quite cheap nowadays, but scrubbing in Resolve is not as smooth than with TB4 Nvmes.

For this same reason I am hesitating to get the ZR, and because the 4 inch screen does not magnify what you are shooting like Z6iii’s EVF. I’ve had Z6iii now almost a year, shot mostly 6k50p and 4k100p NRaw normal with it, and I’ve got about 4TB of footage. With NRaw high and ZR REDraw that would be 8TB🤪 With Panny’s h.265 it would be only around 600GB. Shooting Raw is not cheap.

Sure, over exposing works much better on Z6iii than it did on S5ii. If S1ii’s praise is partly due to baked in NR and over sharpening, then it has the same IQ problems than S5ii has. Thanks! With FW 2.0 view assist exposure looks now the same with NLog than in photo mode, and not over exposed any more😀

To me CineD’s latitude tests seem a bit over the top, as the last 4 and 5 stops under with heavy NR look many times quite bad already. With Z6iii ETTR is the key, it’s IQ and highlight roll off looks way better than with S5ii when you pull down exposure in post. Sure S1ii DR looks a bit better than Z6iii in paper, but for that you need to use always Prores Raw, which is more Gbps than N-Raw High and over double than N-Raw Normal. Just funny, to get S5 and S1H IQ without baked in NR and sharpening out of newest Pannys the data rate is 13-20x more than what it used to be with old H.265. At least you have options. Hope this ZR fixes Z6iii’s view assist, or adds option to load own view LUTs into camera.

Being happy in whatever camp is important. With Nikon and it’s lens options it can get expensive and out of hands quickly😆 Got 135 f1.8 Plena in the Spring, to prevent any ideas of changing back to Panny or Canon. The Z6iii firmware was also updated at the same time, and need of NR in low light was gone, as was the flickering. Not sure Panny has something like the Plena. Shooting with that is a pleasure always, and it takes good photos too. Found also a used 400mm f4.5 before the price hike, and now I am quite firmly in the Nikon camp. Been shooting all year mostly N-Raw, to see how much space it takes. Editing N-Raw is quite easy now with M3 max 128GB and 3x4TB Nvme’s. No complaints about the DR and just happy about the results IQ wise. Hope the ZR is not too big step up from Z6iii, as this shift to Nikon has cost some already😂

According to CineD S1ii seems to have quite heavy NR baked in, unless you shoot Prores Raw and edit in Final Cut. As seen from those same charts, from ISO 800 to 6400, where NLog is shot, S1ii has DR of 12.6 to 10 with NR, and Z6iii DR of 12.3 to 9.6, without NR and with faster read out speeds, and with 6k60p Raw. I would like to be back in Panny camp too, but with current offerings and lens line up no thanks.

If Prores Raw HQ at it’s highest bitrate on S1II is 4200Mbps and Panny H.265 is 200-300Mbps Prores Raw takes about 21-14x more space to get rid of the NR. 6k50p N-Raw normal takes only 7,8-5,2x more space and still your SDDs can feel it. 1,5TB of N-Raw footage would be only 192-288GB in H.265.

Thank you for the info! It seems Prores Raw is whopping 4200Mbps so it’s about 2.69x more than 6k50p N-Raw Normal on Z6iii. No thanks, my SSD’s can’t take it and Final Cut is not good as Resolve for me. It seems Cined tested those for S1II: ”with DR Boost OFF in 4K ProRes RAW 25p, we get 11.5 stops at a signal-to-noise ratio of 2 (SNR), and 12.8 stops at SNR = 1. With DR Boost ON, we now get a superb 13.1 stops at SNR = 2 and 14.3 stops at SNR = 1” For the Z6iii 6k24p NRaw on 6k timeline Gerald got 9.89 stops and on 4k timeline 10.6 stops and with some NR 12.5 stops at SNR = 2.

I will wait too. The S1ii extra DR sounds nice, but not at the expence of overly sharp details with too much baked in NR. If the PRRaw is the only option to get rid of this with S1ii, Z6iii and N-Raw is the better option, as it works with Resolve and file sizes are less than half of PRRaw. After Z6iii got the latest 1.10 firmware update, there’s not much to complain about the Z6iii IQ in shadows, no need to use NR any more, unless you need to lift shadows over 1 or 2 stops. Could be the 135mm 1.8 Plena is doing it’s magic too in low light. After 2.5 months shooting only N-Raw with normal quality I’ve got 1.5TB of footage. With PRRaw that would be over 3TB, and with H.265 only around 300GB🤪

Been using this a bit already and you can drop decode quality in Raw tab from Full to half or quarter. The viewer quality is then quite bad, but works enough for being able to sync audio. Caching or exporting to Prores422HQ also helps with Magic masks. I had just almost forgotten how easy H.265 4:2:0 is for M chips. But S1Rii 8.1k and 6.4k being only max 30p using speed warp in Resolve is at least as heavy as NR.

S5ii had improvements over orig S5, but lower level of details with oversharpening was annoying, even with 6k VLog and also with a LUT burnt in. It was especially noticeable on extracted stills when viewed from a big screen. If you check Connor McCaskill’s latest S1Rii Youtube clip, he has a download link to his footage. Had a play on resolve, and damn, S1Rii IQ looks definitely better and different than what came from S5ii sensor. Grades pretty effortlessly too. The only downside with Z6iii NRaw along the big file sizes is the NR. Don’t know if the full M4 Max chip is enough to play the timeline in real time with NR, and it is expensive. Have a PC with 5800x CPU and RTX 3080 GPU too and editing is more stuttery with it than with M3 Pro Macbook. The latest Nvidia 5xxx GPUs have 4:2:2 support now, but they are not cheap either, and I prefer the ease of using macOS. A new camera usually means you need to get a new computer for editing too, but with S1Rii that does not seem to be the case. Even M1 Pro would be fine

I wonder wasn’t that only with ISO’s below 800, so with NLog it’s not that big of an issue. High zebras at 255, expose just before highlights clip, bring it down in post and you have much cleaner shadows. if noise with NRaw is the problem use NR or shoot H.265 with NR baked in.

Thanks! Pretty much the same feeling I had when watching the video from LG OLED. I’ve shot and graded VLog for 4 years now, and last year or two to HDR in Resolve, just for fun, but never got VLog look quite as good as NRaw or NLog. VLog may have more DR but somehow it does not grade as nicely with my grading skills. With NRaw mild NR can save slightly under exposed shots, but you get flickering if shadows are raised too much. Vlog has noise too, and S5ii footage can’t be pushed as much as original S5 could. Definitely have to check Jimmy Chin’s Nikon footage.

More Nikon fuel to the fire. In case you are interested how S5ii, GH6, GH7 and Z6iii look on one timeline, here’s a video from footage we shot last year. About first 2/3rd of the video is shot with S5ii and GH6, and the rest with Z6iii and GH7. Edited and color corrected in Resolve UHD 2020 ST.2084 (PQ) 1,000 nit timeline on a M3 Macbook Pro with P3 ST 2084 display preset. Exported to H.265 80Mbps with HDR10+ metadata embedded. Resolve color space transform: GH6, GH7, S5ii: input color space Panasonic Vlog or with Lumasweet LUTs Z6iii: Color space transform from Rec2020 NLog to Rec2020 ST.2084 Camera codecs and resolutions: GH6 and GH7: 5.8k25p open gate, 5.7k50p and 4k100p S5ii: 6k25p open gate, also with Sirui Saturn 1.6x in 2.40:1 AR, 4k50p Z6iii: 6k50p and 4k100p NRaw, 5.4k50p and 4k100p H.265 NLog Lenses: GH6: Olympus 75mm F1.8, 25mm F1.8, 20mm F2 GH7: same than GH6 and Nocticron 42.5mm F1.2 S5ii: S Pro 50mm F1.4, 100mm F2.8, Sigma 35mm F2, Sirui Saturn 1.6x 75mm T2.9 Z6iii: S 50mm F1.2, 85mm F1.8, 40mm F2 The video is shot in various lighting conditions on different locations through the 4 seasons, while S5ii IBIS, AF and Estabilization firmware updates were also tested when they were released. AF was used on some of the clips with S5ii and GH7 and almost on all clips with Z6iii. And last, it’s mainly a bouldering video. In bouldering you try to climb up a specific spot of rock. The more difficult the boulder is for you the more you have to try and fail, until you may succeed. As a bonus you get to enjoy nature, what views and joys it has to offer, and capture those memories too.

Thought also 75mm handheld could be pushing it. With heavier 1,3kg Sirui Venus 1.6x panning would have probably been fine, but I did not want another big and heavy lens to carry along with my S Pro 50 F1.4. Could be the Sirui copy I had was not perfect, as it was sometimes hard to nail the focus even on a tripod through the S5II EVF. Cam’s footage looked absolutely gorgeus, like in his Ronin 4d 8k review. The same with Media Division. Nice to see what S1RII is capable of in the hands of Pros with good optics. S1RII’s 5.76M dot EVF should also help focusing compared to S5II’s 3.78M dot EVF, but they both are 0.78x and not 0.8x like in GH7 and Z6iii. There’s always compromises. Z6iii does not have the desqueeze at all and it’s IBIS is what it is compared to Panasonic. And with NRaw you need NR more often than you’d like. I think I will wait at least 3 months to see if they announce another camera, and to see what actual buyers think about the S1RII and it’s IQ.

Panasonic’s anamorphic support is really great with good IBIS. Still, at least with S5ii RS was pretty noticeable with 75mm Sirui Saturn 1.6x 400 gram lens. Also S5ii had only 1.5x desqueeze so focusing was a bit pain with 1.6x lens, and some times nothing was really sharply in focus. If I was to use S1Rii with anamorphic lens I would get a heavier lens with the desqueeze ratio what the camera supports, or try those AF anamorphics.

I forgot to mention that I of course traded in her GH6 to compensate the cost of my Z6iii😆 Damn, this S1RII feels kind of tempting, but after checking a few reviews it is not that clear what is actually improved and what is worse than in S5II. It seems like 6k version of S1RII would be better for video, and I already have the Z6iii, and Nikkor 35 F1.4, 40 F2, 50 F1.2 and 85 F1.8. And it depens if even Z8 is worth the upgrade to me. Most likely will update next the Macbook, as even with 6k footage it seems you need more unified RAM than 18GB in Resolve, if you want to avoid swapping.

Ever since my wife got GH6 I wanted 4k100p and 6k50p for Full Frame. After trying GH7 I bought her as a present I could have settled to that too, but could not quite accept it being marginally worse in low light than S5ii. I also wanted to try Raw, so Z6iii seemed like a perfect choise. GH7’s Prores RawHQ was also nice but at 3,5Gbps too heavy to store. Bought the Z6iii and compared it to S5ii and then traded in the rest of my Lumix kit for Nikkor 50mm F1.2. The 6k50p NRaw is IQ wise closer what I wanted. Though, with Noise reduction NRaw is just as heavy to edit than having a speed warp on S5ii 6k25p😆 Also with 6k even on 4k timeline having only 16-18GB of RAM will lead to swapping on M3 Pro Macbook. Still, Z6iii EVF is much better than what S5ii has, but IBIS is a bit worse. S5ii has slightly better DR, but in low light I’ve gotten better footage out of Z6iii.