Resonance

56 minutes ago, seanzzxx said:

I downvoted you is because I intensely dislike your post-truth

Ah, passion and anti-"post-truth" ideology.

No fact can match that.

Sorry for mislabeling you.

Dear Andrew, because I got errors trying to post links here. I also got errors trying to post images. The system seems a bit clumsy, the error messages sometimes missing and otherwise not informative. Can you please remove my two negative ratings by Canon shill accounts seanzzxx and Coffe ?

Better link:

For example at the end of April, a much cited Facehook post pointed to a misnamed Sony sensor Thomas Hintze of Raw Akademie found to be IMX492LQJ:
youtube.com/watch?v=1KU7lTOZLMI&t=240

11 hours ago, Video Hummus said:

12 hours ago, Resonance said:

Since two years, Panasonic gives hints that the GH6 will offer this game changing improvement in image quality in 2020. They will likely announce it this year, a few months after the purposely limited S5.

I'm not sure what they could do that would be game changing?

Doubled dynamic range.

11 hours ago, Resonance said:

In 2009 a lone programmer found a way to dramatically improve the image quality of the Canon 5d2 by potentially doubling the dynamic range. Eleven years later, there are 8k60 sensors with this capability and dual pixel autofocus over the whole sensor, but absolutely no camera on the "market" offering anything approaching such an easily doubled dynamic range.

For example at the end of April, a much cited Facehook post pointed to a misnamed Sony sensor Thomas Hintze of Raw Akademie found to be IMX492LQJ:
youtube.com/watch?v=1KU7lTOZLMI?t=240

After we will finally be able to film scenes like this, most prior footage will look inferior:
wallhere.com/en/wallpaper/112726

8 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

I am minded of the Nikkei Asian Review in July. "Smartphones are not the only reason [for the camera industry's decline]... Japanese industry, which has a penchant for competing against its own products, can also blame itself."

The article goes on to quote Hiroshi Hamada (ex-CEO of Hoya / Pentax): "Digital camera companies intend to strangle their rivals through excessive competition, but in the end they'll strangle themselves"

Excessive competition ?

There are a few corporations dividing the market between themselves, monopolising it with patent pools.

They are not even trying to compete.

In 2009 a lone programmer found a way to dramatically improve the image quality of the Canon 5d2 by potentially doubling the dynamic range. Eleven years later, there are 8k60 sensors with this capability and dual pixel autofocus over the whole sensor, but absolutely no camera on the "market" offering anything approaching such an easily doubled dynamic range. Technological advances are typically held back over decades, prices kept artificially high while the cost of production is in rapid decline. Advances at good prices are offered when and where the Keiretsu/Chaebol/GivingPledge/MIC decides.

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The Japaneese camera industry is an important one for the country of Japan. Its almost a "national pride" issue. They cherish it and the Japanese companies want each company to succeed or at least survive as a matter of pride and respect for each other. Each company will spar with each other, yes!...but always see that each refuses to deliver a true "knockout" blow to the other. Ot just won't ever happen.

This is why every camera will be crippled in some way to save the Japaneese "brotherhood" from being destroyed.

Cliff Totten, 20. 8. 2020, https://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/46709-removing-internal-battery-resets-eos-r5-overheat-timer/page/2/

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When the Sony A7 III was released it allegedly damaged the appeal of more expensive $3000 mirrorless cameras, not least of all Sony's own. In my opinion the electronics giant is now doing the same to affordable APS-C rangefinder-style mirrorless cameras, effectively ending their own APS-C line as well - an even more destructive move than last time.

The a7c is a typical Sony lifestyle product. No progress, limited capabilities, crippled interface. Nothing to worry about.

Since two years, Panasonic gives hints that the GH6 will offer this game changing improvement in image quality in 2020. They will likely announce it this year, a few months after the purposely limited S5. To me, it will be like the change from black and white to colour. It is likely they will keep their randomly pulsing defocusing RPD/DFD AF mocking us until the "competition" offers the new DR too, years later. They waited 11 years before finally giving us something as simple as a fast standard zoom lens, the 10-25mm f1.7.

www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/26564-panasonic-gh6-predictions/page/2/
news.panasonic.com/global/press/data/2018/02/en180214-2/en180214-2.html
image-sensors-world.blogspot.com/2019/12/iedm-2019-sony-48mp-all-pixel-pdaf.html
www.cameraegg.org/rumors-panasonic-lumix-gh5r-gh6-has-47mp-mft-sensor-8k-video-coming-in-early-2020/

2 hours ago, Video Hummus said:

Every year you own the R5 the recording time reduces by 5 mins until 0 minutes is displayed when you turn it on. [...] It protects the camera blowing up in your face and causing blindness.

Never forget those nasty "low temperature burns" (Katsuyuki Nagai-san, Product Management Director of Image Communication Business at Canon Europe 2020-0911) just above skin temperature at 42C.

In other news, Canon may be preparing to announce joining the 5G Wireless Organ Overheating Warning Alliance WOOWA.

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

Even if it turns out Canon's PR person isn't actually bullshitting us via a rival site that seeks to discredit their own customer's research at every turn

Today a large part of the social media comments, articles and reviews on controversial subjects are written by diverse armies of paid shills, "fact-checking", creating fake news, exposing "fake news" with fake news, whitewashing their employers and smearing critics. This was documented by The Intercept in 2014 and by political campaigners in 2016. Corporations like Google, Twitter and Facebook, powerful private interest groups (Club of Rome, climate change, global taxes, vaccinations etc) and state agencies, spend hundreds of millions for this modern and extended PR.

Canon last year spent over 400 million dollars on public relations and advertising. Almost double what the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation pays, which is in the media all the time. The latter has given over $2 million to groups such as fact-checker Africa Check ($1.48 million), media company Gannett ($499,651), and the journalism school the Poynter Institute ($382,997). In return, when you google "gates foundation fact checkers millions", the second link goes to the Poynter Institute-owned fact-checker Politifact.com, where their "factcheckers" whitewash the Gates Foundation.

The only reason we ever knew that, for example, the Clinton campaign was hiring professional shills to pose as real Hillary supporters online in order to deceive people and manipulate public discourse is because they were forced to disclose it due to FEC regulations.
https://extranewsfeed.com/media-war-toolkit-the-seven-deadliest-weapons-against-establishment-propaganda-d535c311d0eb

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

Anyway, yes it's great that the community and individual users put in the hard work and came up with a workaround so you can feel better about giving $4000 to Canon now... a company that in my opinion lied to their customers, refused to apologise, refused even to acknowledge anything was wrong. They are not off the hook. An official fix and apology is the only path back for them in my eyes, and whatever little reputation their sales & marketing people have left in terms of honesty.

Dear Andrew. Thank you for this site, offering a platform for open and honest exchange. Thank you for your courage, intelligence, and sharing. People who are able to escape serfdom are rare, and most stay silent in a mix of fear and smugness.

Most customers don't even care that they are sold mobile phones with built-in expiration (planned obsolescence, battery can't be replaced), making them pay thousands every few years to buy more or less the same over and over.

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In my opinion they knew they'd played fast and loose with consumer law as well

Are you aware that Canon was fined millions for violating antitrust laws in the EU ...

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European Commission, Press release, 27 June 2019, Brussels

Mergers: Commission fines Canon €28 million for partially implementing its acquisition of Toshiba Medical Systems Corporation before notification and merger control approval

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_19_3429

and in the USA ?

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USA Department of Justice, Monday, June 10, 2019

Canon Inc., Toshiba Corporation Agree to Pay $5 Million for Violating Federal Antitrust Laws

Canon and Toshiba failed to observe the required waiting period in Canon’s $6.1 billion acquisition of Toshiba’s Toshiba Medical Systems Corporation

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/canon-inc-toshiba-corporation-agree-pay-5-million-violating-federal-antitrust-laws

Canon is one of the big corporations in a world currently ruled by unrestrained and unaccountable centralised power. They absolutely don't care about laws or customers.

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Meanwhile a site like DPReview which has toed the PR line and not contributed anything to the discourse, get rewarded with thousands of USD via marketing agreements and sponsored content like the EOS R6 video today.

Fair?

No. On ethical grounds I will be very reluctant ever to buy another Canon product again.

Andrew, people like you are rare. Just about four percent of the population guide their actions based on ethics and forgo own advantages in favour of the common good. Most are manipulated like zombies, through social media, media, authorities, schools and the opinions of their peers. Great that you attracted a few independent and generous thinkers here.

1 hour ago, Aaron Smith said:

Hey there guys.  I'm gonna be in the market for a camera since I'm getting some inheritance (RIP Dad)

Welcome, Aaron, we need playful and intelligent people like you. Your Dad would be proud of you.

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I'm wondering how much better would this sort of thing be than a GH5s?

The GH5s has no IBIS.

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My other cameras are a Gx85 and a G85 if that makes any difference.  I'm quite invested in M43 at this point but not married to it.  I aim to have something that's gonna be easy to use by myself, without a crew or anything.  The limitations on recording for the S5 are disappointing but maybe that won't matter for my uses?

A camera with good autofocus, good colours, IBIS, 4k60, and good dynamic range is currently missing. They will likely come in 2021. You will make the best choice by watching sample videos out of camera or renting first. Until then, you could replace your G85 with a G9 with 10-25mm lens. This combination has bad AF and weak DR, but produces good footage and will sell well when you are ready to replace it.