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I don't think there is anyway out of the Canon/Sony duopoly nightmare scenario. They are the only two major companies even making money anymore: https://fstoppers.com/originals/covid-devastation-financial-results-sony-wins-canon-holds-nikon-way-out-516408 Everyone else will become a niche player (like Fuji, Panasonic & Leica) or go out of business (like Olympus and soon Nikon).

Canon is never going to fully unlock the potential of the R5/R6 since they are going to upsell you on RF cine cameras, EF cine cameras or higher end (and more expensive) versions of the R series (R1) later on down the road. Canon deeply, down to their bones, believe in product segmentation. They think that if you want higher end features, be it photography or video features, you will need to pay for them, and they design their entire product line to reflect that.

They should just be up front and call them record time limits. Pretending that it is an "overheating" issue is just insulting but I guess Canon think they can get away with it...and maybe they are right.

This V1.10 firmware is a joke, and I wouldn't be surprised if future firmware "updates" patch the current hacks that work to extend recording time. The firmware gives you a little more time but doesn't really extend the record times by much. It varies from 5 to 10 minutes depending on recording resolution and codec. Disappointing to say the least.

Also, even if pulling out the battery backup works, it would be annoying to have to turn the camera off, and back on again, every 20 minutes to reset the cripple clock...and then on top of that have to re-enter the date and time/zone every time like it was a first time setup of the camera (not to mention it would forget all of your custom settings).

The Canon cripple hammer knows no bounds.

I suspect that even with all the negative publicity due to the R5/R6 "overheating" being found out to be mostly fake, Canon is still not going to "fix" the problem since Canon always wanted the higher end video options of the R5/R6 to be crippled. Sure, they will probably release a firmware that will modestly increase the record times for the higher end video modes so that they can at least pretend that the issue is "fixed", and they will probably spout some line like "Well, we need the record limits to prevent sensor damage, blah, blah, blah..." But the higher end video options will always be crippled on the R5/R6 since they have RF Cine cameras and 8K Cine cameras coming out soon that need to sell, and they sure as hell don't want the R5/R6 eating into those sales at all.

Not illegal but would void the warranty. At that point, they wouldn't be liable for any repairs or warranty claims. As for Magic Lantern, not sure what is going on there. I guess Canon could make an intellectual infringement case against them if they wanted to since they are developing software that significantly modifies their products without obtaining a license from them to do so.

I think Canon has sent some behind the scenes "cease and desist" letters to Magic Lantern because they haven't released a firmware update since July 2018 and the last camera they had significant software for was the 5DmkIII.

No doubt Canon will say that modding the firmware/hardware will void your warranty, and they probably will develop ways to make sure to deny repair claims on modded cameras (such as soldering the backup battery on future R5's so that mods can easily be detected). Realistically, Canon should just have been up front about the time limits instead of inventing this ridiculous overheating issue and expecting people to just buy it.

Jeez, this is really embarrassing for Canon. If they wanted to limit the higher end features, they should have just been up front with the software time limits. But no, they wanted the marketing sheet of the R5 to be that it is an "8K camera" but not for it to actually compete with the 8K cameras that have coming out in the EOS Cinema line soon. Really slimy.

Yeah, Peter McKinnon has been real silent on the overheating issue lately. In fact, he is back to using the 1-DX Mk III as his daily vlog camera, and not an R5 in sight. Realistically, since he is paid by Canon, he will never be an impartial reviewer and shouldn't ever be treated as such.

The problem is I don't think Canon is going to "fix" the issue since it was never really a problem for them. They probably intended to cripple the higher end video modes but got carried away. Canon Rumors is reporting that the rumored firmware is going to do the following: Addition of Cinema RAW light option to 8K recording Addition of CLog 3 Increased record time limits (but don’t expect a huge boost) Various bug fixes They are probably going to increase the record times to match the stated record limits that they published but not much more. The R5/R6 still won't be great for hybrid shooters since the published record limits were really short.

https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-firmware-update-coming-soon-raw-light-to-be-added-cr2/ ^A firmware update is coming soon, but according to the rumor it will add "Increased record time limits (but don’t expect a huge boost)". My guess is Canon intended to cripple the R5/R6 higher end video modes but got carried away. They probably intended to give the R5/R6 the published record times for higher end video modes (and nothing more), but didn't fully optimize the firmware cripple since such things are a bit hard to get right if you are in a rush to release the cameras. If this "firmware fix" that Canon rolls out only allows for the published record times and nothing more, then I still think the R5/R6 will be terrible for hybrid shooters. Moreover, we shouldn't be supporting a company that is so clearly crippling its products all in the name of product segmentation.

There are (rumored) RF cine cameras coming out, but if Canon could fix this overheating issue with a firmware fix, but doesn't then I don't see how anyone in good conscience could buy the R5 or R6. These cameras are clearly being marketed as hybrid cameras. Canon could leave in the 30min continuous record limit to create some market segmentation. However, firmware crippling the R5 & R6 to such a degree that they are unusable except for very short clips is unconscionable.

Looks like Canon firmware crippled the R5 and R6 to not have long record times for 4k HQ, 4K 60p/120p and 8K. Maybe they will release a firmware fix now that more evidence is coming out that overheating isn't the issue. Unless there is more to this story than meets the eye.

I guess it depends on whether this rumored R300 is just a box or if it comes with everything the C300 has as well (except RAW): an adjustable touch monitor, a handle, full size XLRs, HDMI/SDI ports, internal NDs, plenty of customizeable buttons, etc. If it is just a box, then at $6,299.00 it is now competing with the RED Komodo (which is around $6,000.00 for the black colored version). I guess we will get more details as time goes on.

Shame. These updated rumors sound a lot less tempting than the earlier one. Looks like the R200 at $3,499.00 will be severely handicapped and the R300 will the better one, but at $6,299.00 USD it is a bit too steep in price for something that essentially just matches the specs of the A7sIII but isn't Full Frame or has IBIS and has an RF mount and internal NDs.

Since Sony is using the camera body as a heat sink, putting on a cage should help since less of the body would be exposed to direct sunlight. Will have to test it out once these cameras start being delivered. I have seen some people shooting video in the sun with no problems.

This would be an interesting move for Canon. I guess they are starting to feel threatened by the Z-Cams and the upcoming Red Komodo. With these specs, though, they are kind of undercutting their brand new C300mkIII. My guess is there will be some form of cripple they are going to implement to protect their C300mkIII. Also, the 4K 120p RAW to an external recorder: what recorders can take Canon RAW up to 120p?

What I don't get is why they didn't put in some form of passive cooling system into the R5 and R6? Thin copper heat sink, thermal pad on the processor, water poof vents, etc...this doesn't cost much and would greatly improve recording times. They must have know about the thermal limitations since the have a very detailed chart listing the estimated record times, so they must have tested every codec and record option. Either they were ok with the limitations and thought they would get a pass or they screwed up and didn't really think through the design and just needed to put something out to stem the bleeding in the mirrorless segment. Not sure at this point.

https://www.canonrumors.com/whats-next-for-the-canon-eos-r5-and-canon-eos-r6/ ^The next shipment of R5's are delayed until November? Andrew is right: There is definitely something going on behind the scenes at Canon regarding this camera.

He mentions the overheating issues he experienced and even admits the R5 is not a useable 8K camera due to the overheating unless there is a firmware/hardware fix.

Dan goes into it in the comments. He mentions he had problems with selecting the "High" setting on temperature setting on the A7sIII and then using it. Mentions he reached out to Sony to see if maybe it was a problem with his unit. We really need more tests and for people to be clear about what settings and if the test is from a cold start.