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Finally, wondered when the focus guide from the Cinema (and XF400) was coming to Canon mirrorless. This will be amazing for MF work. Hopefully this will carry over to video as well. That alone is a HUGE selling point. 28-135 is ok, very handy but not a great lens. I prefer the look of this new 28-70. Also these are supposedly USM lenses but with no distance window (shown in EVF). Plus it looks like those control rings (and that is supposedly what they are) might be declickable. Also looks like definitely no IBIS. Video specs are looking reasonably close to XF400, so hopefully 1080/120 is still on the cards.

Yep, I compared on the basis that the side by side was accurate. That made the RF 24-105 have a 62mm filter thread. Then overlaying the 28-70 over that AND the EF 24-105 II looked about the same size. Reality though is that the 28-70 is something akin to the Sony 28-135mm f/4... which makes sense. Yep, same sort of weight too. That size never bothered me, especially with the lighter overall body. That combo weighs less than my 1DC with Sigma 50mm attached.

You’re thinking of the EF-M 32mm f/1.4. This lens as leaked is an IS Macro lens for the RF mount. I know. But I think sizes have been greatly exaggerated.

What physics? Oh right, you don’t understand them you’re just throwing throw away comments around like it’s a real thing with substance and meaning. I overlayed the reference images and yes, it’s about almost exactly the size of the 24-105mm f/4 L II, 77mm filter thread and all. New 24-105L RF looks like it has 62mm filter thread. Sony has IBIS and has IS lenses. Panasonic has IBIS and IS lenses. Fujifilm has IBIS and IS lenses. Nikon uses both VR and IBIS on the Zeeeee. No way Canon will release a 24-105mm f/4 and have no form of IS for it. It’s the size of the ‘old’ 24-105 L II. Probably weighs more, but hardly massive. That also happens to put it around the size of Sony’s GM 24-70. 5DS had an upscaled 7D II sensor. 60MP is basically a FF version of the 24MP in the M50. I recently went all-in on Canon after playing with lots of systems out there. This one makes me excited.

Hahaha yeah yeah Nikon will have better lenses lol. Mom another note, that 28-70mm f/2L is almost exactly the same size as the 24-105mm L II. So 77mm filter thread. The 28-70 is just a bit narrower near the mount. So everyone thinking it is huge - no

The difference between the (more like 1.64x) crop and S35 is pretty negligible. If you want 1:1 readout, that’s the crop. The 24MP gives about 10MP (3:2) in 1.5x crop, about perfect for 1:1 UHD. The 30MP is about 12MP at 1.5x crop from memory. Thus the slight extra crop.

The difference between the (more like 1.64x) crop and S35 is pretty negligible. If you want 1:1 readout, that’s the crop. The 24MP gives about 10MP (3:2) in 1.5x crop, about perfect for 1:1 UHD. The 30MP is about 12MP at 1.5x crop from memory. Thus the slight extra crop.

You mean like the 30MP sensor already does in the 5D IV? Me too. Nearly bought one this week already. Needs lenses from third parties though. Panasonic using the same mount would be amazing.

True. Everyone has been going off rumoured specs, but they were clearly wrong in most ways. Also so really looking forward to the new compressed RAWs and JPEG engine of Digic 8. These are actually way better on the M50 than the 5D IV. So it will be nice to see those improvements in an ethicists model. New codec is heaps better too.

Considering how well DPAF works with EF lenses, they already have the 70-200’s well and truly covered. Yes a wide will be nice just for the smaller size. I guess they’ve gone with a new mount to keep it locked down like Nikon have. EF-M AFAIK is basically electronically compatible with EF. I dumped Sony a while ago. Gave them a brief shot with the A7 III. Nikon have zero interest in, just doesn’t look interesting at all. Canon have nailed it. I’ve wished they’d make a decent enthusiast camera in about the size of a 200D and here it is. 4K might be cropped and a few other things, yet I don’t care one bit.

I suspect it is a programmable control ring, like what is in G7X and RX100. A bit like the aperture ring on the Fuji’s, except can have different functions. It’s also available on the EF adapter too. I guess they have forgone the joystick in favour of touch screen? It still has the D-pad. It’s more 6D than 5D by the looks overall (which I’m perfectly fine with). Will be buying with 28-70, 50/1.2 and 35/1.8 Macro.

It’s a Sony A9 with a Canon logo. Nope, quite the opposite. Canon have said recently that they are going to take video more seriously in their stills cameras. I think it makes sense, they took some time to build and establish the C-line, but now that it is used by working pros, they can use those features in their hybrids. They aren’t going to lose C-line business doing this, but will lose business to Sony. They don’t like that. They’ve started already putting 4K and C-Log hybrid and consumer products. I was going to say the same thing. The ND throttle fusion is awesome, glad to see it coming here. Being able to do clear option would be extra amazing, but unlikely. I don’t see an XLR audio adapter accessory (yet).

I may have to test that. The S35 is nice (especially that it has C-Log), but I'm not sure it is better than the 5D IV's 1080p or even the M50s. Who knows what they'll bring out. But yes I think the 1DC is an excellent compliment to the C100. Offers that great 4K as well as a nice well matched S35 crop mode that is probably very similar looking. I find the 5" BM works really well. But yes, both cameras have poor RS. Not nearly as bad as the M50 in 4K though. Addition of a monitor picks up pretty much everything except the NDs. 1DC has better 1080p when using external. Hands down. The C100 though is better to shoot and really ready to go. 1DC is way more fiddly. C100 has less RS and the balance plus limited RS means very natural looking handheld unstabalised - Not something I get with most 'hybrids'. 1DC would probably go better on a gimbal. It can also be picked up as is and still shoot, which is kind of nice (though it is no lighter than a C100 but way worse grip). Battery life is way better on C100 as well. Still images are about 1000000000000x better on the 1DC. Build is better as well along with weather sealing (not that C100 is badly built). I really need to get that 5D IV into service for C-Log ASAP to actually do some tests. Yes please.

Yep! I mean it sort of makes sense, somewhat, at the time. But then their range is all over the place. The G85 takes over the G7, G9 above as a higher end in that series... ugh.

I'd say that's part of it, probably. MJPEG is basically the JPEG engine from Canon DSLRs as video @ 24/25/30fps. So it has that look, but adds C-Log to compress the DR in. I'd say though, that the 1DC is also one of the last of the Canon 'old colour' that they are most known for. SOOC colour is better on the 1DC than the 5D IV IMO. The 1DC therefore represents the best video they do with that old Canon colour and in that way it's rather special / unique. 5D IV has a much more green colour tint to it. I think the 1DC will go down as one of those very special and collectable cameras. I've been enjoying the features (PDAF) of the 5D IV and M50, but going back to the 1DC is just something else.

Well actually it's both. Punters need the 'gateway' models to get started and the 'halo' products are what get those people advising the punters all hot under the collar. Average Joe buying their first ILC likely has no idea what a Noct lens is. That isn't the point. BUT 'we' don't spend hours discussing 1500Ds either. So which is it, are Nikon only going upmarket or are these models attractive to newcomers? You seem to be a bit all over the shop in your references. That's not even remotely true. I feel you are switching between what's really out there and what you perceive. Olympus didn't stop making budget friendly products. They have released some more high end products but that doesn't delete the myriad of affordable ones from their product line. The most recent camera releases have been E-M10 III and E-PL9, both part of their budget friendly line. They still also sell the previous models for less for those who don't need 4K video. As for making losses, well that isn't new. From what I last read their strategy has been mostly working for them in that they are haemorrhaging less, because they are going upmarket. Plus they are doing less fire sales on outgoing low tier models (which doesn't make them any money nor give them a loyal installed base). The E-M10 series seems to compete quite well with the M5 and M50, while the E-PL series with the M6 and M100. Seriously? Panasonic product strategy is all over the shop, that does not bode well for loyal customer base. They keep making the same mistakes by 'reinventing' popular lines. The GF1 got butchered into the GF series *sigh* and the GX series from GX1 to GX7, then the GX8 and down to the GX9. It's an absolute mess. GM1 and GM5 and then the shape was borrowed for more cheapo, awful GF series. Now they are supposedly dumping the G series...

I think people have a very skewed idea of what 'dominating' means. 28-75mm is amazing (but imperfect). It is light and not intended to be 'rugged', but is built to a very good standard. 50mm f/1.8 is way better than the Canon 50mm STM and somewhat better than the Nikon 50mm AF-S. 85mm f/1.8 is the best of it's ilk by anyone as far as I can tell. I'm not sure how the bokeh really plays into your argument. Canon don't make lenses in that range because by the time you are bolting on a massive 200mm f/2 IS lens, you might as well use the one they already make, with adapter. This is something Canon actively promote as a benefit of the EF-M system. So in effect they are already making those lenses (and many more expensive ones too). That's because that is where the money is. Nobody but fanboys cares one iota about volume when there is no profit in it. Lower tiers are being relentlessly dumped because those markets are moving to smartphones. Canon also had a bewildering array of Powershots when that market was disappearing. Doesn't mean they are doing well out of it. Incorrect. People who are buying these cameras are much more likely to buy lenses and yes at those prices and (much) higher. This is called attachment rate and this is what manufacturers are aiming for. People who buy a base model DSLR and kit lens don't ever buy lenses. When they buy a new one, they buy again with kit lens (so could buy any brand). High end mirrorless is where all the attachment rate happens. Nobody is (completely) ignoring the lower end (except Nikon), Sony release new RX100's every year (really popular with the DSLR + kit lens crowd) and they have plenty of APS-C models to choose from and the kinds of lenses entry level users buy (if any). They don't need to release a new camera every week to have something comparable in this segment. Heck the A6000 is still getting compared to the M50. What Sony don't bother with is an array of expensive APS-C specific lenses, but for entry level there are plentiful options. Fujifilm are the same. So are Panasonic. So are Olympus. Canon have only played in that area to date, because yes there is volume and because they weren't wanting to cannibalise sales of 6Ds and 5Ds etc. Sony had 'affordable' lenses from day dot for the market they were aiming. Those lenses might be getting headlines, because they are new. They won't be volume movers, but are halo products that help move lower tier products, including the ones you think make up the majority of the market. People buy Canons because the person they know who is a 'camera person' said they can't go wrong with one. Or the spotty store clerk sold them one because that's the one they heard of. But in the top end of town things are very different. Thus Sony selling more FF cameras than anyone in the 1st 6 months this year. Canon are selling lots of 1500Ds (in volume), but in the markets we are interested in thats not the case. Considering they have these uninspiring models in the FF sector at the moment (one of which I own over the 'inspiring' models) and can't beat Sony in FF sales, what makes you think they are suddenly going to with a FF mirrorless? They haven't been able to do that with mirrorless APS-C and I don't see that changing if they keep being 'uninspiring'. And now FF. Canon ran away from the US mirrorless market with their tails between their legs with the joke that was the EOS M1 (I owned like 6 over the years). People overestimate Canon's abilities and market power by a factor of about 10 I reckon. Yep. That lens is phenomenal! Too bad it isn't coming to the Nikon Z any time soon, that lens alone would sell me on a Z6.

Don’t you know Nikon has an A7 now? Oh I mean Z7, see it’s different. How dare you consider the Sony when the clearly superior Nikon has already been announced? I think you’re deeply confused at how humidity works. Not sure what this has to do with overheating? Most fanboys claimed the X-T2 simply didn’t overheat, because of the 15min cutoff, yet were complaining that the Sony’s ‘only’ recorded for 2hrs+ before ‘overheating’, which of course was unacceptable. Most Canon fanboys complained about the overheating in 4K and how unacceptable it was, compared to their non-4K capable Canons. Most Samsung fanboys just cried that Sony took all the glory and that their ‘better’ product sank into a hole of misery after 29-misery inducing models that came before... but, but, but NX1! Most Nikon fanboys were like ‘what’s videooooo’. Meanwhile the m43’s fanboys were just, as usual, being angry about how unfair it is that people do in fact compare sensor size.

Crop may remain a problem for Canon. Sony have fixed this issue for everyone else (Panasonic, Nikon, Sony, Olympus, Fuji) but Canon go it alone with their sensors. Bitrate and codec are for the most part fixed with Digic 8 as shown on the M50 with the 150Mbps 4K (which is quite nice). It would be nice to finally have a product with both the compressed MPEG4 AND the MJPEG. Disappointing. Still nothing in the Canon camp for that. Plus that 1.5kg is really only APS-H for 4K60. Sony A7S III maybe? Doesn't seem a world away from the Z6. That's what I thought the other day, but not at $1900. I also don't think we'll see IBIS on the M5 II. Yep, seriously doubt it. Bet you I still prefer the Canon images though. I don't think Canon could care less what Nikon is doing. True. They have publicly stated though that video is much more important to them now. Uhm, well if this product launches in two weeks I would say Sony are exactly why they are doing it. You can't seriously believe the Z6/Z7 announced days ago had anything at all to do with it? Nikon AND Canon are developing these products because they are threatened by Sony (although all the fanboy sites will try and tell you that Sony was never a threat at all, so I wonder why they are cloning their 'losing' product strategy). C-log is not a given. Decent codec will be 100%. C-log is something they have reserved heavily in their DSLR market, with only the 1DC and 5D IV (begrudgingly, later) getting the C-log treatment. Yep, yep and yep. No Canon users are thinking of switching. And no, before anyone rants at me, I don't think this will be significantly improved 'ergonomics' over the Sony mirrorless cameras. Just as I don't think Nikon extracted any miracles out of a unicorn anus. That is unless it is a Canon DSLR body with an EVF and no mirror, which is possibly a thing... a very weird and pointless thing.

Sorry I think I may have mixed them around. It’s not something I’ve yet tested, because I don’t see a huge point. The advantage of the 4K - 1080p downsampling through the HDMI is the better compression plus easier to deal with files. I don’t see there being ‘much’ difference in the IQ between the two TBH. That’s not to say the 1080p looks the same as 4K, but that downsampling in NLE or in the fly will have much of a difference. But it’s something I will definitely test. Also want to see the 1DC and 5DIV 4K straight to card and see the difference there (both with C-Log). I’ve had a lot of trouble finding any other references to such a test elsewhere. I seem to remember the 5D IV in 4K (to camera) not being ‘that’ much better than the 1080p out of the C100. The 1DC and 5D IV both seem to do a bit better 1080p (from the 4K off sensor) than the C100 does. Basically these do some of the best 1080p I’ve seen anywhere. But I really think it need the C-Log.

Context is everything right...

Absolutely. Thus why I bought one.

There is a definite and distinct improvement in image quality between those two. The disadvantage being the crop and the rolling shutter. Fortunately a s/h Ninja is going for peanuts these days if price is a concern. But personally the BMVA 5" is the recorder to get (and not badly priced). I want to do some further tests and put a reel together, but I want to include the 1DC and the 5D IV with C-Log, which I will have to send it away for first.

SO annoying and something I completely forgot about when getting the BMVA 5" (which is otherwise my preferred option). Coming from their other C series that camera feels so backwards.

Being that Nikon are keeping specs under wraps and this is a very modern mount, it seems like we may be waiting for some time. I won't be getting my hopes up any time soon. I think people are confused about the N-Log compatibility - The BMVA4K should have no issues. It's at most a build in LUT on the Atomos. You will surely be able to add a LUT to the BM. I have a Shogun and both the 5" and 7" BM. The Shogun has the advantage of using cheaper and faster media. The BMVA4K has dual slots, which makes up for the Nikon's lack of dual slots (for video). The BM uses the smaller Canon batteries while the Shogun uses the larger Sony L series. Overall I prefer the build and balance of the BM once set up (with batteries etc attached. The screen is brighter for sure on the newer Atomos models, but I am not convinced it makes enough of a difference for me. I had the Ninja Flame, but it wasn't bright enough in many conditions. Obviously the Ninja V is a lot smaller and I definitely prefer the smaller form factor of my 5" BMVA, it then loses XLRs, dual media and dual batteries and no options for SDI etc. Ninja V does have that accessory port, which may add SDI or XLR in the future which could be really interesting. A 4K BMVA 5" with dual card slots would be the perfect setup, if only they made such a thing. Reasonable for bread and butter work. Not good enough to replace a dedicated sound person when you should really have one. Almost certain to be more 'reasonable' than the built in audio. Much better than the complete lack of Audio my 1DC does over HDMI.