Igor Campana

The client and the cinema projections says 24,00p. No 23,98, no 23,976, nothing else.

Since Sony statet out it is 24p (while they are mentionin 23,97 as 23p on their website) I thought the camera cna support also perfect 24p cinema standard like the gh4, that also can handle 23,97 / 24,00 / 25,00 / 29,97

Native ISO is 800 as I understood. I would go up to 1600 and maybe 3200 since the cpu is very good. But the chip is only 1".

Have you been able to get a better display quality in Av Mode when shooting in low light conditions? It looks like to me the display is switching to SD resolution

yes no doubt. but what I dont understand why in Av mode DMF + MF is controlling the focus and why in video mode it drives the zoom in DMF. Looks pretty unlogical to me. When you are going to shoot pictures in AV you need to switch back from MF to DMF becouse otherwise you have focus zoom in on the display.

I whished that the controls would be more logicla and intuitive like on the GH4....

they all want perfect 24p

I understand that for US it doesnt matter, but to me it matters if it is 23,97 or 24p

I cant understand why Sony does advice that the cam can shoot 24p, when it doesnt. the gh4 can handle it perfectly too, and I suppose other Sony cams can also do perfect 24p

it's a pain.... for video you need to switch to MF, caus in DMF it still runs the zoom, while in Af Mode you can either use DMF or MF to focus. In my opinion, focus peaking and the display does work really BAD

the monitor of the RX10 has serious issues when in High ISOs in Av Mode... You can't see anything other than a lot of noise. It is really strange, it seems to affect only the preview on the monitor, becouse the image is almost clean

I could... but wouldn it be better if the Sony shoots at perfect 24 fps like the GH4? Unfortunately also the export from Vegas to XAVC is only at 23,97.... really unhappy about this... you need to wrap it into a mainconcept AVC or X264 file to get proper 24p

My cleint is requesting perfect 24p since we are in Europe and he want to deliver it for EU + US

also for conema spots you need 24p

I deliver client projects in 24p and not 23,97 NTSC

Hi Andrew

Have you been able to set the camera up to shoot REAL 24p? Cause mine RX10 II shoots only 23,976 in NTSC Mode.... Im really unhappy about this....

would be glad to get any workaround.... thanks

any update concerning the LX100? Have any one of you get a reply from Panasonic?

Except for the fact that it's a side effect of the GH4 being used with external monitors and recorders. So there's no way they could leave it out if they wanted to. Pretty sure the feature wasn't added in mind that you could use it for FPV and monitoring on aerial shoots. So it's not quite the same. That's why I said that probably they do not expect you to rig the LX100 up and just use it as it is, because it is so compact, that's the key selling point, that it is all-in-one already. And yeah, it's a step below the GH-line, surely. But I'm not sure adding HDMI-out during recording to the LX100 would effect GH4 sales that much. So I hope they have a change of hearts then if it's technically possible to add it with a firmware update.

 

The other point. Yeah, a couple of years ago you'd have to go with spycam(like) cameras. There weren't any gimbals around for consumers/prosumers, let alone an afforable FPV solution. So I did fly without seeing any livefeed... and still people are shooting without a live feed... just because it can't be budgeted for, so it's not impossible, it's not that insane, people have been shooting like that for years.

But fair enough, those people then probably don't have the means to get themselves a multirotor with gimbalmount to handle a camera such as the LX100. So admittedly it's already more serious and I know it's not years ago now, we live in 2014 with all this technology availlable... except then for the lack of video-out whilst recording, lol. Well, I hope Matt will respond to this and maybe tell us if anything will be possible in the future.

 

 

The range though... besides, people aren't fond of Wi-Fi signals when they're flying their multirotor. Wouldn't want to get signal mess-ups.

Yes a good point... I understand Panasonic thought at the drone flyers, especially when thinking at DJI which can carry up to 8kg... but we have some law regulations here in Europe that makes hughe problems if you fly over 4kg. and at moment there is no way to geht the GH4 in a flying drone withouth costing special permissions.

But just think how many are using gimbals today for steady shots... or using an external monitor to find the best FOV & Focus point... so HDMI would be very necessary

But couldn't you use the Panasonic app and view the feed from your phone while you cobtrol the copter?

Have you every tried the Lumix App.. its such crap on smartphones... you need hughe tablets to see something. Panasonic have not understand that there is something called overlay menus not only for cameras, but also for Android apps... I hope they change it

there was a freak developer that want to do a fullscreen app, but no updates yet how far he is...

I fully agree on the HDMI! Glaring omission for drone users and will hurt sales. Sure I can forward the feedback to Matt. They are on our side. It's just sometimes a decision is made in Japan for engineering, technical or marketing reasons that doesn't quite chime with the demands of filmmakers.

Thanks a lot Andrew. please keep us up to date

To all: if you wish HDMI Out please start complaining to Panasonic on all channes (Emails, Marketing, Facebook). Maybe togheter we are able to move Panasonic in doing something. I think if they get HDMI, they dont need to worry any other compact camera coming in 2015

Isn't Panasonic representative Matt Frazer to be found somewhere on the social mediaz to address this? I suppose that's the guy to forward this to...

any way to get in touch with him?

I remember the times that a livefeed was still something extraordinary.

Now it may perhaps be quite mainstream, but enough people know how to live without it. So I agree, theres no reason it really cannot be used at all.

That aside though, I also do not really see a reason for Panasonic just to leave out this option.

I can't imagine them just 'overlooking' this ('ah shit, now you can only use it for 'playback', not 'live recording', guess we forgot, good point'). Maybe they believe nobody wants to add a monitor or external recorder to a 'compact camera'? They're afraid to many people would use it as an aerial cam, crashing it and using the warranty to claim Panasonic has given them a faulty camera?

Not sure, I'd say techwise there wouldn't be too much to it. Perhaps it's even as simple as coding a few lines? Perhaps they'll even do that? They also didn't think the 4K Photo mode would be used for anamorphic shooting, so didn't give it a 24p mode. I can see them changing that, so if this really was an afterthought, then I do hope the people in need of such a thing will get it through a firmware update. But if not... remember, Panasonic never advertised the LX100 as being the 'ideal camera for aerial video', so being all upset and never wanting to buy something from Panasonic again is pretty uncalled for. I've seen people do great things with a DJI Phantom 2, H3-3D gimbal and a GoPro too... and again, people used to film without a livestream all the time, so it's still not impossible with the LX100 either.

sorry but I dont agree at all with you. if people want to crash and claim warranty, than they could also do it with the GH4. I would be happy if Panasonic has advertised the cam as foto only with 4k feature, but for Photokina they produced a lot of SEPCIAL 4k video stuff to show how well the camera performs for film making.

and they also explained clearly that hdmi out is a feature only of the GH Series, wich they want to keep at higher level. We have spoken with the German PM and he also said he sees a really need in this but also the HEadquarter just don't want to integrate it, while they could and also the camera would be able with no problem to perform it.

Sure you can use it for crap aerial imaging, but if you want to go serious you need live feed out, which most dji phantom + perform and is also a really havy feature of the new dji inspire...

I mean, would you film or make fotos from ground withouth even looking on the screen? Or do you also prefer to see what your camera is going to see? sure you can also run in the citiy keeping the camera away from your eyes and continuosly press the shutter... and maybe you have 1 or 2 good pictures out of 1000, but imagine how much better pictures you could get when you looking on the monitor....

Ouch, I can understand your frustration if you assumed it would have this feature - I haven't had enough compacts to know if this is a feature that is normal (at least some video out). I would think HDMI live out is a fairly tall order for a compact though, so probably should have done due diligence there.

 

We can all wish for features they did not include (I have a few on my list too), but I did take issue with your assertion that LX100 will never be used for aerial images on drones. Obviously not on yours, and maybe many others, but I have already read about people that are willing to live with this flaw and will use a secondary camera for navigation/rough preview, so clearly it will be used on drones :)

but why should it be a problem for the camera to give out HDMI... they already use LVDS digital port and they have some kind of coprocessor to reduce the video res to some kind of HD so that you can see it on the screen, so its already a postprocessed image that you see with overlays. why not just make a pass through the hdmi out... ok it's not 4k, but everyone and especially drone users would be happy. Instead of this, no one is going to purchase the LX100 and all are waiting for the new sony alphas coming in January...

and sorry, your thought in using a second FPV camera is totally wrong... it seems you haven't been really in touch with drones. the second camera for fpv is mentioned for the pilot to see & avoid that the drone crash in tree or somewhere else, while the assistant can use the main camera on gimbal to make the perfect shot... how will you be able what your lx100 is filming using a secondary camera that doesnt have the same DOF & FOV? makes no sense...

so Panasonic is loosing a lot of customers that if happy, would probably also purchase a GH4...

I have checked many reviews, samples and specification before I bought this camera. If you would do the same, you would know about the lack of HDMI monitoring. Be angry on yourself.

It's always like that. When famous photographer says that camera X is excellent for portraits, I would still check if it has all features I need, like controls or focal length I'm using most often...

sure I understand you in this and I agree... but there was not so many talking about the HDMI and I thought this is a beta issue... becouse for what do I put a HDMI on a camera like this, that in the menu is capable of giving out 4k in 422, when no signal comes out at all and only the AV-Out in 480p works in playback mode...

o probably they expect that customers purchase a panasonic viera (viera link) so that you can use the HDMI?

than it#s better they completely leave away that fucking special usb port (wich no one needs) and also leave away hdmi out. make camera 100 bucks cheaper & smaller and all are happy. but manufacturing tools that can't be used at all is a really shame. I mean, this was Canon style to do it... not Panasonic

I fully agree with Igor. An AV output or a 720p HDMI with graphics on are needed to make aerial shoots. Andrew, make some calls please!!!  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:

I really don't understand why Andrew doesn't reply at all. He seems to be a Panasonic angel, but when it needs to get any serious feedback, he never reply (also not on emails regarding the purchase of his user guides...)

Comon Andrew, you are the best chance to help us in being more happy with the LX100. Please help us. I pay for your phone call + your time lost....

I think this is a bit of a circular discussion, but I don't agree with your #1 (though I wish your #2 happens). I think Andrew's main point is that it is the lightest camera with the highest picture quality (great 4K plus really good lens), so it is capable of taking the best 4K video from a drone at the moment. For navigation, you can easily purchase a 1080p camera for 50-100 bucks that is extremely lightweight and can be attached to the gimbal where your camera is. I don't think you can speak for ALL drone owners :)

 

It is most definitely valuable to highlight the lack of HDMI/video out in the full review though.

sorry but it does not make sense to have a 4k camera on the drone where you don't see any image that it will take... and where is the sense to put a FHD small fpv camera on it? The LX100 is at moment the best compact 4k kamera on the market, I have it, but it will NEVER EVER be used on drones as long as it has no video out signal while recording... or how do you think you'll be able to see what your gimbal does in 100m distance? and for sure I can speak for all drone flyers that want to have 4K on a drone and can't carry a gh4 due to law regulations (drone under 5 kg in total). So if Panasonic here is doing the same policy as Canon, this will be my last Panasonic that I purchase... it seems that also the German Panasonic PM want this feature, but the Headquarte will NOT integrate it... why, they don't tell you

so to recap this: LX100 is great, but its not suitable on drones... so this part needs to be canceled. I purchased the camera just becouse I saw Andrews good review, and now Im really angry that I can't use this camera for aerial 4k footage...

Nope it's not as good as that.

Andrew you mentioned in your article that the LX100 is the best 4K small camera for aerial imaging. As I have mentioned in my post it is not as long as Panasonic does lock the AV & HDMI Out. So there is 2 things you could do:

1. change your article & mention that the LX100 does not work for aerial

2. or ask Panasonic and make pressure on them to change this in a fw update. We all know that the LX100 could do a HDMI out since it is the same engine like GH4... Im fine if the output is only 720p and with overlays, but we need a signal on the ground or the LX100 WILL NEVER be used for Aerial images on drones...

Thanks for your udnerstandign, I really would appreciate your help in this...

Thanks

Igor

So I tested the LX100 on real business this days. It performs pretty well, the sharpness is extraordinary but the focus pumps a lot if objects moves... so it is better to go manual. If you set the picture stile to superflat and raise shadows, the pics are astonishing good in 4K, in my opinion far better than GH4... the LX100 gives more natural colors, skin tones are better...

but im still not able to get any video out of this camera... I purchased the AV adpater, but nothing... has anyone of you been able to get a video out signal?

I even tryed the super thin Cullmann CX420

no way to get it mounted and be able to access battery... this is a holy crap thta Panasonic did... and if you put the plate complete on one side, the camera doesnt stand leveled... a shame

Is there any way to get a cinelike D profile....? and what about an AV out cable, there is no one in the package...

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarg again Panasonic did something wrong. I did rent it tooo, and this shit tripod hole is totally close to the battery case... what di panasonic think when doing this stupid stuff... everytime completely taking down all tripod mounts or quick reles plates....

the only thing you can do is completely remove the battery plate

I see no hw limitation in getting out a HD feed from HDMI, since the hw is the same as on the gh4... I could understand if the vidoe out is not 4K 12bit, but that the hdmi out is completely off is a really shame... this is sw limitation that make no sense... there would be a lot of LX100 already flying it if they would not hat locked this... how do you know what your camera is filming, if you are completely blind... Im really really angry... pana is now making same stuff like Canon.

I would be fine with infrared trigger, gut at moment panasonic is not supported at all...

an whats about this HDMI or Video out.... any update? Is there any ext. device to trigger the cam when mounted on a drone?

Dear Andrew

Thank you for your review... Im following you since long time and I was also waiting for the LX100. I was, as GH4 user, quite bevore to purchase the LX100 exactly for aerial filming... but I stopped when I saw there is no HDMI Out... you are mentioning it as a good camera for aerial purpose... also as I thought too.. good sensor, good lens, stabilizer...

but you can't get any video feed out and you can't trigger this camera at all... so there is no way, that this camera can be used for aerial stuff, since you can't see what the camera is recording... im working since a few months on new drones... and no one could find a way to get the LX100 working for this... this is really a shame... since it would be the best camera if it just had a video feed out... it's fine if its only 1080p...

Can you please aks panasonic to implement this in the next fw update? thanks