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LOL, sometime sales person are crazy.

I just saw this article, http://lensvid.com/gear/lensvid-exclusive-what-happened-to-the-photography-industry-in-2013/ it seems that Mirror less camera (- 25%) was even more severely hit by drop in sales last year than DSLR ( -19%).

Yes for sure any new camera will go on top at least for some days, but we know that cameras like the Canon Rebels and the Nikon D3300 series sells in the hundred of thousands if not in the million every year, so it is still quite substantial for a $2k + camera. What is more impressive is that the D810 is in the top five after 2 months. I don't know and I guess no one knows exactly until sales figures and their fiscal year numbers come in. But taking the example of someone above who said he did not believe they would even make a profit out of the D750, people should have a little common sense. This camera is going to sell in the tens if not hundred of thousand and Nikon will make like 5 to 10 times more margin on this than the D3300. Will it make them get back to 2012 numbers, I don't think so, but they will get a lot of money out of this.

Me...... Do people here believe that this camera would not sell like hot cakes? It perhaps the best all rounded full frame camera in the Nikon line up with what I will call the best resolution at 24 mega pixel compared to the overkill of the 36 Mp of the D800/D810. The best Nikon autofocus on paper, the same or better that is used in NFL, NBA or champions league football. So event/wedding photographers will jump on it with very good ISO and class leading DR with about the same price of the D600 1.5 years ago. The same price that was considered revolutionary for a full frame camera not so long ago. The only complain you will see from some Nikon shooters is that it is more a Nikon D650 than a true successor to the D700 because of its prosumer body and 6.5 fps compared to the 8 fps of the D700. Now for video if this camera is as the D810 or even better as the Camerastore Youtube video. It would give you very sharp 1080p camera with no moire/aliasing, very good DR and Low light. You could add a $ 300 recorder to get high quality prores 422. All this for for only $ 2300. This camera will be the perfect companion to D800 shooters and will fulfill 90% of a normal Pro or enthusiast photographer and hybrid shooter. I myself is looking closely to it because I could replace my second body Nikon D7100 with better video (if it is proven by review and has 60fps 1080p) with very good autofocus and move completely to full frame glass. It would serve 90% of my event shooting and I would use my D800 for advertising and fashion shoot.

Just to put my point, Nikon D810, Familly video!!!!!!!!! done right. Very Terrence Malick, Tree of life Now look at the promo video of the new Sony with the zombie skin tone. This is a bit of an extreme example, but shows how it is not the tool anymore. I have to add that I did see much nicer video done by Den Lennie.

I understand that this is very video centric website, but it also comprise of many hybrid shooters who are still photo and video shooters. If the D750 shows about the same quality as the D810, I would prefer to invest in it because of its versatility. I shot a lot of things with my D300 at 12 megapixel, but I don't see myself in todays world going for a paying gig where the uncle cell phone or entry level Nikon/Canon Dslr shoots 20/24 megapixel photos. If someone is purely in video, I understand why the A7S makes more sense. But it does not mean that the other HDslr don't have their place, when they can achieve as good of the quality of the promo video I posted above.

What it shows is that it is not the camera which is the limiting factor, if you have the eye of the people who did it you can achieve such quality. For this example there was no Hollywood gear and budget (like the other Nikon d810 promo video) and the camera shows high resolution, high to very DR, no moire/aliasing and no disturbing rolling shutter. I think they said that did not even use an external recorder. We would not have dreamt to get this high quality imagery with even the possibility of high prores bitrate for these type of prices 3 years ago. But people just complain because it is so much easier to criticize the tool than the craftsmen. The same thing for photography, since about 2007 (d300/d3/d700/5dmark 2 etc), no photographer can say that it is the camera which is the limiting factor. If you cannot take a good photo with one of these camera, then you will never be able with any camera. You also get as a bonus the best ever photographic camera of all time.

I think you should not look not only about your needs but the needs of other photographers to critisize the DSLR form factor Andrew. You do mostly street photography and the small light form factor is really suited to that like the leica's. But if you look at the main criticism from Nikon users on forums is that it does not follow the D700 lineage (It is more like a D600+) of a full pro body, which means a ........... bigger body. If ever tomorrow you shoot a long event or a 12 hour wedding then you will understand why photographers want those bigger body, even adding a battery grip making it even heavier. Try holding those small for factor cameras for hours and you will see why. I also not prepared to let go of the 100% OVF for something like an EVF until the latter surpasses it, which is not the case until now for my pro photography. The second thing is about the good enough philosophy about video. If you think that this quality is not good enought for 99% of work . Then I would like to see tens or hundred of videos done on panasonic/sony and even blackmagic camera that are miles ahead of this video. The D810 has been measured at more than 800 lines, which would compare favourably to cameras like Canon C300/gh2 etc. Which are known to produce very good imagery in Cinema screen size projection. Since the D5200 Nikon has been producing cameras that are Moire/aliasing free. They must have been sampling much more pixel and binning them and they have even done the feat of doing it with the 36 megapixel D810 . You can also add the 12 stop of DR and low light that are very close to the 5dmark 3 in low end $ 700 D5200/5300 in low light. When you add all those thing you are getting with no added cost to a typical photography dslr, I don't see why I should fork more money as a hybrid user and buy some other video camera. You can also add a $ 300 atomos recorder to get high quality propres bitrate out of it. I am not saying that I would not like more video functionality or for example a 10 bit codec but I think 4k and some of those thing will come in the next iteration of the D800 and D4 in 1.5 years. Since then, I think that we are getting a lot of video quality which we would have dreamt for only 2 years ago for free.

Remember that Nikon was the first to put video in a Dslr even if the implementation was not that good (People where doing all type of things until the 5d2 came out). They where also the first to offer clean uncompressed hdmi output that can be recorded at high bitrate. Since then they have offered alias/moire free image, super lowlight and 60p and best in class DR from their apsc line of camera. Unfortunately they are more incremental than revolutionary, The Uncompressed HDMI was supposed to be the big feature but no one could predict that Blackmagic would launch RAW cameras and that Magic lantern RAW hack of the Canon camera. If else they would have been at the top the last two years in the DSLR price point. What you also forgot to add is that it is Nikon and Canon that more or less put all those companies on the side line by providing the best value to money cameras for more than half a century (Nikon will be a century old in 3 years). They suffered a lot at the start of the digital era from about 2002 to 2007 to the hand of Canon. But they rectified it as from 2007 with the D3/D300 which completely turned the table. Since then it has been a home run, they beat Canon in every possible way (image quality). What this tells me is that they are the type of company that will bite their time if need be if they don't have the tech to compete now, but when they come it is usually with a bang. The fact that they are talking so much about video is a clear indication that it is important for them and that next generation will have improved video. They have implemented SRAW in D4s and the D810. For the D810 the SRAW is 9 megapixel, about exactly 4k!!!!!!! Now I am not saying that we will have 4k RAW in the next camera (it might be completely unmanageable), but it show that 4k is very feasible. The best or worst scenario depending on where you stand, will be when every Nikon will come out with 4k, 12+ stop DR, 10 bit + codec and 60+ fps and proper focusing in video/live view. This will happen in the next 2 to 4 years across the whole line and be prepared to see a lot of the smaller players pack their bag. Hopefully it will not be the case, but you will be able to get these spec in the $ 600/700 Nikon dslr that you can by across the globe and in every electronic shop at the corner of the road.

Just for the knowledge of some here. Nikon is still making profit compare that to the loss of the Panasonic and Sony of this world. If one or the other still continues to make losses, you might find yourself with a bunch of lens with no new camera to attach to it in the next few years. The cell phone are affecting more of the low/mid end camera sales with mirrorless taking a hit. At least Canikon has the upper mid to pro market that won't be affected by the cell phones. Nikon also forms part of the mitsubishi group of companies and they have the medical imaging and stepper business for semiconductor manufacturing. So to those that because of the inflated ego want an iconic imaging company that is nearly a century old to disappear. Just be prepared for the exact contrary, because in 2 years the whole Nikon line will have much better image quality than most can use. Then the question will be what will happen to the Sony and Panasonic camera of this world. Do I want that, certainly not because competition is the essence of innovation.

The level of ignorance and bias is terrible when you talk about Nikon here. So some people here are questioning Nikon some even hoping for there demise because they don't have 4k in the middle life small upgrade from the best ever photo camera the world has ever got. A camera that is at the top or near the top 5 in every category in terms of image quality. A camera that Nikon has put at a very competitive price and $ 500 below the rehash Canon 5Dmark 3 which is below in every senses. Most who are critisizing it here have never ever held it in there arms and have never shot with it. In the history of image making the D800 will be an iconic camera in the decades coming and most if not all of the camera discussed here will be long forgotten. So Nikon should be shot because they put a good resolution 1080p video mode from 24 to 60p with 12 stop of DR, high bitrate codec with external recorder in the best ever photo camera mid-life update!!!!!!!!!!! Yes it still has some fault like some moire/aliasing (that can be eliminated with a filter) not the best low light, 8 bit, but it still produces great images. This is from a company that has zero prior knowledge about video. Now I have seen some patent where they had variable level low pass filter but they already have been doing amazing things with there 24 megapixel sensors in the D5200/D5300?d7100/D3300 camera with virtually zero aliasing moire. So I am quite confident that they will be drastically reducing or eliminate the aliasing moire in the next generation high resolution Nikon camera. In fact, contrary to the negative slant of this article, I am really encouraged by the Nikon emphasis on the video side for the launch of the D810. If you follow them they have been constantly upgrading the video in their camera. The DX line id more a proof of it because model change much more than the FX line. Since the launch of the D800, they have uncompressed HDMI out of even their lowest consumer camera, they have got rid of Moire/aliasing since the D5200 and have added 60p since the D5300, both having fantastic low light. I fully expect 4k as from the next generation full frame camera in 1.5/2 years time. What I am afraid is that they forget about more important things like 10 bit and internal high bitrate codec. These are more important in my eyes than 4k and I expect it to at least come in the D7100 $ 1000 camera range. The D810 has a flat picture profile for video. I don't know if it is the same as the ones we have now or it can extract more of the 14 stop DR. At least they are aware that video people want DR. So I expect they will get a solid 2k/4k high bitrate (will be achievable by external recorder) with wide DR and 10 bit with 60P or more in the next two years. We will see how many will be complaining here.

I think that this video is a bit misleading because there is zero motion. It would be better to see some more motion to get a better idea of VP9 encoding with 4k on normal footage (movies) compared to paint drying videos.

So this is the future of 4k, because all those advocating 4k will have to learn to use those filters to smooth the sharpness of those 4k sensors, more so on human beings. Tiffen must be rubbing its hand in anticipation of the number of sales coming its way.

No its the nature of promist filter which has very fine particle that will diffuse the light a little bit. So more of it and there will be more diffusion effect. Shane hulburt has a nice article on the different filters on his blog.

Let me guess, familly/holiday shooter... no no, cat shooter, that's it cat shooter.

So true, I cannot comprehend that on a creative site people are advocating copyright theft. Some seem so entitle by them self that they think that there holiday video have to have the music that they want (some multi million dollars production) and that the 20 views from there family and friends is going to magically make a big promo for the artist. Others it is right to pillage the work of fellow artist because either way the money is not going to them but to the big corporation. So lets steal more from them so that they even get less from what they were getting. I comprehend that the implementation, like errors from a bot etc can cause problem but the copyright is something fundamental to protect the rights of artist. If your ambition is just doing some cat, holiday, family and even wedding videos, I can understand that the concept of the sweat and tears that go into the creative work is a bit abstract. But to all those that aspire to create and that the word film maker and not cat maker is appropriate, then copyright should be defended at all cost. Some people on this discussion are just lazy, if you are a genuine creator, either go out and meet and collaborate with other artist. Or take some time and go on the site that have been listed or the web and search for the music and artist and either buy or find venues of collaboration. If your work is of some value, I am sure that you will find other talented people to work with you. With the combination of digital, internet and globalisation it is harder and harder to live out of your art, so if even artist start to question the fundamentals and pillage other fellow artist work in not so long we will have on one side the big corporation producing mostly just mass market shit for only money and on the other side doctors/accountant/lawyers cat shooting film makers and all the artist will be dishwashers/cleaners, because there will be no more way to make a living out of your art.

Yeah, I know about the timelapse, perhaps you are right about the 2.7 crop, but a lot of it is also clearly the full frame look, with the super shallow depth of field.

Very very nice video, looks very sharp to my eyes. If you couple this type of sharpness with 13 stop of DR and amazing low light this is a very very good image. Now for $ 6500, it is not the best investment of you do mainly video, but the people that are going to buy this camera as primarily for photo journalism/sport/wedding are going to get a very very good video camera now.

64 db dynamic range, less than 11 stop.

As Matt has said before, I think your best bet is to get a Nikon D5300. Very good all-rounder with no moire aliasing, best DR and low light in the dslr cameras. It might only loose in terms of resolution but only a little. For example the amount of brick wall in your video could turn into a mess for most dslr and the blackmagic cameras. In terms of DR, I don't think that even the 12 stop of the Nikon or 13 of the blackmagic would suffice. You should either light and Nd the window (movie style) or change your shooting hours when the contrast is much less. The latter is better because using light for example you would need hollywood style budget (many thousand watt of HMI ) to be able to counter the sun. Now blowing out the window in itself is not bad aesthetic. A little better rolloff would be nicer, so you can get a little promist filter (not too much) and the higher DR of the d5300 could be good. In aesthetic, sometime less is good, like resolution is overstated, like you don't want too see every pores of the skin of a beautiful woman.

I think you have to take the overall dxomark numbers with a little pinch of salt. The numbers are very close if you take the 3 individual values dxomark measures like colour accuracy, DR and low light but the D800 kills the Dragon in one aspect not measured. It has twice the resolution. Now it is true that 36 mega pixel is not needed every-time, but if you have to measure all the aspect of the sensor resolution (the easiest one to measure) should also be taken in. The second thing is the ergonomic/shooting photos. What about the autofocus and shooting for example in portrait mode. So it is not as straightforward as it seems. Dxomark measures only the sensor, and a photo camera is much more than just a sensor.

This is a very good thing that DXomark is starting to measure the video camera sensor. It was long time we needed a proper scientific way to measure performance. It will pacify the forums, like it did in the photo world and debunk some of the fanboys. For example, how will the Red and their fanboys take on the Dragon sensor numbers in DXOmark. On one side it is now the overall highest sensor ranking, but on the other side it has only 14.8 stop Dynamic range. Where are the 16-18 that Red has been barking over as the super feature of the Dragon. 14.8 is still very good but not much more compared to their main competitor Arri Alexa.

Whoa that is fantastic, if they are getting that much out of a D5100 so they could get even higher frame rate from the latest Nikon expeed camera. Imagine a 120 fps Nikon D3300 $ 600 Camera LOL. Another thing is that they are getting better knowledge of the code by the day and things like RAW is a possibility (would have prefered 10 bit high bitrate codec). 14 stop DR for $ 800/$1100 camera, that would be awesome. I don't know if the Nikon D5200/D7100 sd card interface would have the speed for at least 1080p raw.

This is what Cory Rich replied to someone on the comment below. If this is true that the full frame is also razor sharp then this is a very very good camera. The D4 was already measured at 13 stop Dynamic Range in the EBU (BBC) test and the low light was awesome. The only downside was the resolution. If it is fixed then it has very very good video. Hi Bruce, Actually we (the entire crew) were blown away by the D4s video quality; it's MUCH improved over the D4! I hate to admit it but the shot at 0:11 was operator error (I just shot it out of focus on a 24mm f/1.4 lens... we were working fast :-) and in the rush to slam in a few clips from Ireland, our last location, the clip somehow made the edit. But the video footage in FX and 2.7 crop mode is RAZOR sharp! And the high iso is game changing. The motor-cross shots that we did at night are at 6400 iso - 60p and they look stunning in full hd. Anyhow, it's a badass camera. Ill be buying two! Hope this helps. Corey Rich