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If it comes from China, why would they care about Patent. Even I think Portkeys are doing a stop base false color system in their new monitor. I think it uses different colors and is customizable. It ill be difficult to patent something like that outside of the US.

Do you use the app, I see like English subtitles. I am also asking myself if it is just noise to at least 11.9 to 12 stops. As the SNR 2 is about the same in the ISO 400 and 800 coverted to R3D. And then at 6 minutes you get that image with the tomatoes from the conversion of NEV to R3D. And perhaps you can just get back the DR in the Nev version with a simple curve, or the R3D has much more DR.

I see it is written ELzone, is it the ELzone system, or do you think it is traditional false color?

By the way to continue my my post above, I saw a very intriguing test by a Chinese Channel where he tested the ZR not only at 800iso but also at 400/ And the results are astounding. So he is getting more than a stop of DR at 400 vs 800 ISO in Nraw!!! at ISO 800, the slope-based DR is 14 EV, SNR=1 is 12 EV, and SNR=2 is 10.6 EV. At ISO 400 (Lo1), the slope-based DR is 14.6 EV, SNR=1 is 13.1 EV, and SNR=2 is 11.9 EV. Another surprise is with the NEV to R3D conversion. The measured DR for Slope-based DR reaches 15.1 EV, SNR=1 reaches 13.3 EV, and SNR=2 reaches 12 EV. These are incredible results. His test using the Xyla chart looks very solid, perhaps the best and most detailed I have seen. I would have hoped he would have tested the R3D at 400 (Is it even possible?) and the latitude test with 400 so as to have a double check on the chart numbers. If anyone speaking chinese could translate in case I am saying stupid things, and has the app, as I can only see the video at 360 P. The channel name is 家硕_JiashuoMedia," https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV19KWkzQEq1/?spm_id_from=333.1387.homepage.video_card.click

I have been a pro photographer for 20 years now and live in a tropical island with lighting ratios you can't even imagine in most countries. This is why I have been always very sensible to Dynamic range result/progress/testing for the last two decades, as most of the population including me are darker skin and we have very hard light. During that time I saw the first digital cameras (I would say from 2 to 3rd generation) depending on how you count, go from about 10 to 14-15 (SNR) DR test in RAW, as contrary to most videographers, photographers been shooting in raw for decades. I have seen what a 10 stops DR camera image look like and my ZR is no way as bad as this. Last week I had to film some B rolls for the launching of an international car brand here, where we had to mix some of our country shots with their own media. And as I had little time, I had to go around and shoot in less ideal conditions with harsh middle day shoot and some with harsh backlight and I had to dig deep into the shadows. This is start of the summer in the southern hemisphere, so the light was already hard even not quite as from December to March. So to come back to CineD, I have enough experience to know their numbers/conclusion are just BS. In fact they are some of the reference that have educated me, mostly with the latitude test, which I consider the best test today. But when you take RAW numbers and pit it against mostly compress/NR based codec, guess what, it is disingenuous. Because if you had watched DR test for the last decade with Xyla charts and Imatest, you would know that Raw data tend to score much less because of noise, but in that noise is still a ton of Data. Gerald Undone who is himself not a Nikon Fan, does the explanation very well in the ZR dynamic range test. First he got 10.9 stops at 0.5 medium noise rating, which strangely jumps just a little bit to 11.1 on a normalized 4k timeline, and just adding a little NR, where as he says the details in the shadows are still very high he reaches 12.6. This is in the RED Komodo X range. I have seen other test from french (I am a french Speaker) to even Korean which were around same numbers and which corelate with multiple side by side test. And no way their are 2.5 stops difference between the KX and the ZR!!! But it is not the first time I see them cooking their numbers to support some kind of narative. But this time it was the exact opposite for the Sony A9iii. The one with the Global shutter that even with your eyes could see with a bad DR, but I remenber the guy putting so much NR to get 9STOPS of exposure latitude, to say it had great latitude. Yes it is a 1080p image, but doesn't mean it has 1080p details, which I pointed in the comments.

The Best video to debunk that hit piece from CineD about the ZR dynamic range test they did. This is a side by side of the ZR and the Red dragon Monstro and they are literally indistinguishable. The Zr tone curve seems to grab a little bit more highlight and loses a little bit in the shadows. They must be a bit pissed at CineD, no one is talking about the C50, hen they were flown to Japan to film a promo video.

Sincerely if anyone would have told me I would get so much quality for about 2500 USD in my country 5 years ago I would have kissed his feet. You talk as if it is some kind of BS camera it is based on. The Z63 did have some issues, with like half a stop less DR than the already very good Sony 24 megapixel sensor in the Z6. It also has some pulsating in the shadows which seemed to have been eliminated. But in the end for me, this could be the best ever reportage/documentary/weddings event/ content creation camera. Not just because it has superb image quality, but it hss 32 bit audio. This is the feature people forget to mention. With this camera, I could fit two of them and some lens in a traditional photo bag and some small travel tripod and do a documentary. Perhaps I would add those small flat lights, a wirreles mic system and you are good to go. Now I can always get a cineback, rig it with an external monitor, wireless video transmitter, Vmount battery and shoot an advert. Their are just endless possibilities with that camera.

Someone posted this video. This is something I wanted to do when I get the camera, because until now Nikon compressed format have been damn solid. He compared the detail in the Nikon Flat profile and the Nlog in h265. And the Flat profile is much more detailed. Either people should test with sharpness a bit higher in camera, or someone at Nikon has made an error in the settings of the Nlog. As the Flat profile is so much more detailed than the Nlog one. At least it seems it could easily be corrected with a firmware update.

I think they have been tweaking the Sensor since they launched the Z6iii. The S1ii showed them that this sensor was better than what the Z6iii was capable of, even without the DR boost mode. Perhaps the sensor was a bit rushed for the launched of the Z6iii and since then, with Sony, they have been able to refine the settings

Q&A from Mark Bone

Absolutely beautiful imagery. Some shots are very square, and some were asking if it was an opengate mode LOL

Any English version?

I have also been searching for the Nikon ZR DR/Latitude test, and result been a bit all over the place. I think one reason for the latitude test discrepancies is that the first reviewers were not able to use Davinci and had to use REd own software and it might have induced some errors...The Nikon Z6iii is better in the highlight than the Zr, which can't be true!!! . Their was also some talk that Nikon/RED got another stop of DR during their test/development. Below is a test side by side with the Panasonic S1ii, which is a bit of the king in terms of DR/latitude and their might be neck and neck to half a stop of exposure latitude between both. Their are little discrepancy like light positioning that make me say that. He is at 4.5 over and 3.5 under that would give about eight stops, you could give another half stop to the S1ii in the highlight. For example, CINED gave the S1ii without DR boost a solid 9. This could be because they test at 1080p. If you reduce the size from 4k to 1080p, you might get another half a stop to a stop in the shadows as it would reduce the noise. For reference most Canons are at 7 to 8 stops of latitude, the Sony Venice is a 8 stops, the RED Raptor is at 9 and the Alexa LF is at 10 stops of latitude. He also has test of the highlight rolloff and the Zr looked a little better and the flickering in the shadows. Which is not present in the REDraw file, but is in the Prores one!!! In this one, with the french tester (You can get English dub), he gets about 5 up and 3 3.5 down. You also have this korean tester with the DR test with the Xyla chart and Imatest software. He got like 13.5 in Nlog!!! And 12.9 in REDraw. His DR test starts at around 23 minutes. Last thing is that CineD responded on their page saying they had a ZR on test for a week (% days ago) but they had some problem that they were trying to resolve with Nikon.

They are from the same sensor and if the ZR can achieve the same as the S1ii, then it would already be very very good (RED Raptor territory). The S1ii has the DR boost mode which showed 10 stops of latitude, that is Alexa LF level, but with 27ms, which is not great at all.

Nice video from Nikon India.

Nice side by side test video of the ZR and RED Dragon and Komodo. As always it is the Komodo which is little bit the odd one. His latitude test was unfortunately flawed as he did not match the 18% grey exposure. The one where you overexpose is clearly too bright compared to the underexposed one. I went to watch his other video review of the Pana S1ii, and their, the base exposure was very close. Here it is easily around a good stop overexposed. I did some screen grab and looked at the RGB values as I was a bit insure if it was not my eyes playing games to me. Here he has 4.5 overexposed and 3.5 down. That is 7.5 to eight and the S1ii he had 5 above and 4 below so 9 stops of latitude. Edit: I forgot to add, he is supposed to do a test of the S1II and ZR. Hopefully he does a good latitude test with same lighting and exposure, as the S1ii has become the king of DR in that price range.

Do you have a link to the video? For me, this could be just a sharpness setting or the person might be moving slightly. One thing this tells me, is that the H265, is not as bad as some people have made it to be.

Another very nice video

Are these Nikon Zr footage, or just someone putting it to get views? Just a hint that these are from France, as Limoges is a well known Basket Ball team in France. Another edit, I now saw the links.

Nice video about the ZR audio capabilities. The internal mics are quite impressive for onboard mic, but the directional pattern can only be used in non RAW video.

Funny how the ZR has reached legendary status even before its launch. Youtubers getting destroyed in the comments when making some stupid comparison. This is one example, but I have seen others... if you would have told me a Nikon camera would have got so much support, I would not have believed it. They really have got some momentum, I hope they try at least to satisfy the request of the people toward the ZR, because it is their Canon 5DmarkII moment.

After all the fuss about the ZR h265, with some youtubers including Gerald Undone, high claim that the ZR h265 was unusable. I was very worried, but also perplexed because, even with my D750 24mbit 1080p footage, the h264 and nowadays Nikon H265 had been very robust and good. But until now, very few actual footage in h265 to make an opinion. Until I saw this test. Guess what, all those BShitters were exaggerating as always dunking on Nikon. In this Chinese test, from about 15.30, you have nearly every footage in h265 and the quality is good, even the 4k 120 fps in apsc. I can see every hair of those girls dancing even with YouTube compression on my 65 inch TV. I don't think you need much more for your Bride or CEO shots.

I still have problem with Gerald Undone, and this is exemplified with Canon C50 vs Nikon ZR review. I don't question his numbers, but how he interpreted them for his bias. Man pissed on the ZR t every corner, but excused the worst or the worst for Canon. The simple example is the ZR micro hdmi vs Canon C50 lack of IBIS. Yes it is an inconvenience the ZR doesn't have a full size hdmi, but it can be remedied with a 100 USD cage plus lock. But what about the lack of IBIS, you would need a full set of big supporting gear. Either a tripod, shoulder mount or gimbal. But hey, his excuse is that he talked with some first AC, and they told him that they prefer the sensor to be locked, as if the C50 principal use will be on movie sets!!!!! He is revolting, how dare Nikon put cinema on the ZR, but does he think that the ZR/C50/Fx3 will be primarily use on cinema sets!!! Is he crazy, 99.9% of their use will be in events, corporate videos, weddings, reportage, social media content creation etc. At the top you will find them used on small to average advertising production, short films, small to no budget films. And in rare case as specialist camera like crash cam, in higher end production. But again in those 99.9% cases, stabilization is a big big plus for those production. But hey, Nikon dared to put Cinema on the ZR. I mean a camera that has better image than 90% of digital camera just 5 years ago.

Yep, looks more like it. It is good if they supply this as you can get a 2TB for about same price as a 512 GB CFexpress card. But you are still left with gigantic files if you want to achieve your work. Perhaps the best solution would be in Nraw normal, then rename them to RED. Or use the Nikon RED luts.

On Gerald Undone example, it looked not that good. But I think it is at pixel level!!!