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2 hours ago, IronFilm said:

Because I can assure my sister's or my gf's youtube front page looks NOTHING like that! 

I'm putting my money on makeup and fashion tutorials.  Women are so superficial, not like us "gear obsessive" men.... because "gear" is cool.

8 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Damn those privileged people not wanting to live in Nigeria.

https://i.imgur.com/JZeBZra.gifv

1 hour ago, wolf33d said:

This is not possible if you have 50K in your savings account. Someone with 2M in his savings can get 80K per year for ever without touching the 2M base. 
So I agree, he probably wants 5M then 10 then 20, then 200. You never stop. But the difference is he WANTS that, he does not need it. Someone making 50K a year NEEDS to continue working. 

 

Well, 50k would be a lot of money for the majority of people in the world.  I think in some parts of the world, you could live on the interest of 50k -- eastern europe, parts of asia and africa; the middle east, etc....  But than people WANT "modern conveniences" and expensive cameras.

1 hour ago, wolf33d said:

If you make a normal salary yes. If you make 2M a year, considering this guy started in 2017, he can stop today. Put that money into a mix of index funds and with a withdrawal rate of 4% ($80K a year, a good salary) he can retire for ever then pass 2M to his descendants... 

Also someone said above do you have to make content super regularly. Not when you reach millions of subs. Casey Neistat posts sometimes 1 video a month, so he can take 100K home advertising a product, and channel is doing fine. 
 

yeah, sometimes when I hear wealthy people complain, I think to myself, "well, just quit and live on the interest".  But I think most time, everyone compares themselves to the guy just above him on the social ladder; the guy that makes 2M, compares and aspires to be the guy that makes 3M; the 3M guy wants to be the 4M guy, etc.  It's like a hamster wheel.

But than the cash/prizes get more tempting every rung of the ladder people climb, and the Sirens are too tempting for most.  Those that can resist, don't complain and they are living comfortable somewhere.

Almost every camera company will have ex-employees willing to say something bad about their former employers.  What else is new?  Red, sony, panasonic, etc.. There will be negative comments.

Instead of rumors and speculation, what I look for is real evidence.  What have they been sued for?  Who won. What are the facts? Were there laws broken? Etc., etc...

31 minutes ago, Mokara said:

People who use the FS cameras do so because of the form factor and connectivity of those products. The a7S series are hybrids, and address a completely different market space and function. There will not be any significant competition no matter how similar the specs might be. Different tools for different purposes. A pro is going to use the right tool, not the cheapest one. Cost is primarily an issue in the consumer market space, and almost none of those folk buy FS products anyway.

So the a7SIII is not going to take sales away from the FS line. That is not an issue for Sony, it is only an issue for the conspiracy theorists.

Tell that to Sony because for some reason the codec, video quality, things unrelated to form factor and connectivity seems to always be hampered in the A7 series cameras as compared to the FS line.

Let Sony create a "hybrid" camera that has the same video quality as the pocket 4k.  Do you think they would do it, or do you think they don't have the technology to do it?  I think they don't really want to do it because it will hurt their FS sales.  you can always make a small camera bigger, but you cannot make a big camera smaller.

By the way, the A7Sii has been used in Hollywood movies.  I can infer from this, to some professionals, the A7Sii can replace the FS line for movie/shorts production.  I.e., the A7S line can and has taken away sales from the FS line.

13 hours ago, IronFilm said:

Let's face it folks, the a7S mk3 is NEVER coming out! 

Sony is still trying to figure out a way to position the a7siii.  It cannot take away sales from the FS line, but yet be good enough to capture the advance hobbist/ lower end professional market.  Every time the company thinks it got it figured out, competition is raising the bar and Sony has to go back to the drawing board.

If sony isn't careful, after a while, the competition is going to steam roll over the FS line.

1 hour ago, SteveV4D said:

I feel I'm still fighting the battle to convince people of 4K.  When 4K came along, the arguments against HD vs SD had been virtually won.  I'm not seeing the same thing with 4K vs HD now.  Many still feel the difference isn't worth it over HD. 

Personally I love shooting 4K and welcome 6K and 8K when it is practical to work with.  But if 4K is still a hard sell for many clients, where will 8K sit.  How much of us are doing cropping on a regular basis?

Then again, I don't think people will be shooting 8K if its implemented in anyway like the GH5 has 6K.  Which I feel is the most likely outcome.  There'll be the initial novelty of 8K videos edited from the the bite size clips the camera can make, but that novelty wears off when the majority of the audience for such videos can't watch at that resolution.

A lot of people I know still finish on HD.  However, more people shot in 4k to be able to reframe, zoom in, pan, etc.  8k would allow people to fiinish in 4k or allow even extreme push in and pans.  

3 hours ago, fuzzynormal said:

All I need to make it into Sundance is a ALEXA Mini?   Alright!  Rental time.

Actually, the cheapest camera of the bunch seems to be the A7sii... you can rent that, but it's probably just cheaper to buy it - and, yeah, it's only 8bit.

3 hours ago, Django said:

EOS R -like most MILC systems- is aimed at photographers first, videographers second.

Again BM isn't even in that hybrid market, so they aren't competing with it let alone dominating it.

Yes, BM isn't completing in the hybrid market.  In the hybrid market, the best selling camera is the a7iii.  It's a $1800 camera.  So now Canon is going to try an compete in this market with a $4k camera????  You can buy two a7iii or the a7r4 which is one of the best "hybrid" cameras out there now and still cheaper than $4k.  All of these mention cameras are photographers first, and videographers second.

Blackmagic pocket 4k is competing in the budget cinema segment which they are dominating.  Almost everyone who has owned a pocket 4k is extremely satisfied in their purchase.  I'm not sure they will be willing to spend $3.5k more to get full frame and good autofocusing.

3 minutes ago, Django said:

EOS R is a FF hybrid mirrorless system. Blackmagic is none of that. They don't even do AF. Your comparison is irrelevant.

We don't know anything about the pricing or final specs yet so it's a little early to complain about pricing don't you think?!

We are all speculating :-)  The EOS R needs to target a market segment.  We don't know which segment that is - the SH1 segment (the approximately $4k or more) or the $1-3k segment where the blackmagic is currently dominating. 

If they are targeting the $4k and over segment, good luck to them.  There are less, and less buyers at this level.

1 hour ago, Django said:

Don’t be silly now. Those days are long over. The competition is fierce, the market has shrunk and Canon are acknowledging both in their financial report.

The specs aren’t that crazy either. We know nothing yet about crop factor, codec bit depth or if RAW is there.

My guess is it will have slightly inferior specs to 1DX3.

Id say expect S1H pricing on the R5 ($4000-4500) & S1 pricing on the R6 ($2500).

 

Did canon also acknowledge that if they charged $4-5k for their R5; a person can also buy 2-3 blackmagic pocket cinema cameras?  Granted it's m43, and no autofocusing -- but than you have both an A, B and also C cameras with "cinema quality" images.

The R6 is more realistic, but the pocket 4k is cheaper and the pocket 6k has 6k.  I'm assuming R6 is only 4k but auto-focusing.  The competition is fierce but are they willing to REALLY change?  I doubt it.  They seem to be stuck in the past:  "oh well use to charge 10k for our cameras, now we are going to charge 4-5k; see we have changed"... 

2 hours ago, Django said:

Canon open up about R strategy in their latest financial report:

“Although we have launched two full-frame mirrorless cameras as well as ten dedicated lenses, our lineup is still insufficient. In order to recover from our late entry into the mirrorless camera market, we have plans to launch a model that incorporates a newly developed image sensor and image-processing engine that offer even more advanced features. We will work to raise our presence in the mirrorless camera category, leveraging large trade exhibitions around the world. Even amid increasing competition, we will expand sales of higher-end models driven by new products and aim for top market share even in the mirrorless camera market.”

..Stars are aligning!

Yelp, they are aligning for the end user to be butt r$$#@%ped.  Remember how expensive their original cinema dslr were?  I think it was like $10k or something.  I would assume the r5 is going to be pretty expensive if they specs are real.

27 minutes ago, scotchtape said:

Are you saying that Canon doesn't have a history of crippling cameras??? Are you serious?

Canon doesn't cripple cameras... Not on purpose at least.  Well, you see.. there's this thing that roams around.  People call it the "canon cripple hammer".  When canon managers think they should add X or Y feature that would make their cameras "too" awesome, the cripple hammer would hit them in the head forcing them to either drop the feature or scale it back.  True story.  Saw it on youtube.

2 hours ago, Mako Sports said:

I've said it time and time again. Lens and lighting make shit look Hollywood, camera choice is basically just the film stock. 

Wrong!!! the camera is not basically just the film stock, it is the what many people use as an excuse to not create stuff.  ALso, it is the way camera manufacturers empty my (and many other people's) pockets.

The funny thing about "professional cameras" are that they are so flexible (grading, exposure, etc.) that if you mess up, it's easier to fix.  But those that need the fix-ability (beginning film makers) cannot afford it, and those that can afford it (professionals); doesn't need the fix-ability -- all the while manufacturers are smile while pushing the greatest and latest.

Manufacturers set the prices.  Users decide if they want to buy.  Not enough buyers, camera makers lose money.  Even if manufactures created a "jesus" camera that did everything and wipe your butt; if it's so expensive and not enough people want to buy or afford to buy; the manufacturers will lose money.  If everyone thinks camera prices are overpriced, even if the prices "aren't", and people don't buy.  manufactures lose money so in fact, the cameras are in fact OVERPRICED.  That's how the market works.  A lot of times, value is based on perception.  Right now, the majority of people think smart phones provide a better value. $3-4k for a camera?  or just buy an iphone?  Most people just buy the iphone.  So yes, in that perspective, cameras are overpriced for the vast majority of people.

For the majority of people on this forum, according to Andrews latest "what are you shooting with poll", it seems like any camera over $3-4K is overpriced since most people use the pocket 4k camera which is $1.3k and has no real autofocusing.  I could be wrong.

1 hour ago, Video Hummus said:

I know a couple of people that bought the A73 and it was their first camera...ever. Why? They saw all those YouTube videos “saying this the the camera to get Full Frame 4K $2000!!!!” , when it came out. I bought one too. I didn’t keep it in the end.

I hope all of these companies are successful. I really hope Canon wakes up and releases an R camera everybody wanted to begin with.

Im a Panasonic fanboy but I’m getting tired of their very stubborn approach to their AF. Either get it to work or just move on and pay to have PDAF. Everybody, I mean everybody that has touched a Panny, wants it. They could have starting eating everybody’s lunch if it wasn’t for their shitty AF performance.

The 1k to 3k market is so big because it includes the casual shooter - those that will buy their first camera; and those the will buy the camera to test it out and resell it later.  It's a huge segment especial if it includes semi-professional, and professional videographers and photographers.  The a7iii hit that mark.

The s1h is too expensive.  People do like the camera, but it is positioned too close to "real professional" cameras like the URSA, C500, FX5, etc...  For those people who have the money to buy the s1h and a business reason to buy it, they usually step up and buy a "professional videocamera" perhaps even spending a little more because it's their living. 

Those that will be buying their first camera will not be buying the s1h.  It's just not the autofocusing since people are willing to live w/o the great autofocusing if the price is right - Pocket 4k, Ursa, zcam, etc.  I think subconsciously people use the autofocusing as a reason to not buy the s1h but it's really the cost.  After all, when the A7iii came out nobody complained about the price.  When the s1h came out, while basically everyone was impressed; almost everyone complained about the price saying it is expensive, "but you get a lot for your money" -- or something like that.  This was completely different for the a7iii -- people were basically saying it was such a steal for the price.

For the s1h to create as much excitement as the a7iii did, it needed to be cheaper WITH good autofocusing - no more than $2.5k.  As it is now without good focusing, a good price for people to say "this is the camera to get" would be $2k.  As a $4k camera, it does not fit into the sweet spot that will generate the most sales. I'm sure blackmagic with it's pocket 6k for $2.6K could have easily created a comparable full frame camera priced at $4k - just basically slap on a full frame sensor on their pocket camera; but they didn't because their market research probably showed that they couldn't sell as many cameras to make it worth their time.

2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

The problem is that the premium end of the filmmaking market is going full frame.

Sony will want their XDCAM and CineAlta in pole position to capitalise on the trend.

Let's put it another way... They did not cripple the recent releases (A7R IV, A6400) to protect the A7S line.

They are doing a Canon... But the ironic thing is, Canon have changed strategy... FF 60p 5.5 RAW and DCI 4K 10bit on a DSLR.

Oops.

Is it too late to get the "other" A7S III out of the cooker or are testers already being served the lukewarm version??

It's a mistake to think Blackmagic is any different. The Pocket cameras are just loss-leaders for URSA and there to increase adoption of Resolve and brand awareness.

Blackmagic would put more effort into the Pocket 4K and 6K if they were serious about enthusiasts... They'd be made a proper factory without sawdust on the sensor.

Blackmagic has aproximately 390 employees - compare that to sony or canons camera/video division.  Blackmagic is a small company and they cant "play arround" or else they will get steamrolled by the big players.

I dont have the exact numbers, but between their ursa camera and pocket 4k, i bet the majority of blackmagics revenue is coming from the sales of the pocket 4k.

There are just not enough buyers of the higher end cameras to support many mid to larger company.  I speculate that is why red is trying to go down market.  

Most of the companies are targeting the $1k to 3k marketplace.  This is where most of the profit and demand is.  Just look at panasonic s1h.  At $4k, it too expensive and "not selling as well as it should" even through it is full frame and netflix approved.

Its pretty much do or die time for the a7s4 or 3.  With that release sony will tip its hand on what their strategy is - be like canon or try and innovate.

25 minutes ago, Cliff Totten said:

The A7S-III's biggest enemy wont be Lumix, Cannon, Nikon or BlackMagic. Its biggest enemy will be Sony's own internal politics!

Short term, yes its sonys internal politics.  Longterm, its blackmagic imho since blackmagic are willing to use other peoples sensors and gives what filmmakers want.

1 hour ago, Video Hummus said:

 

I hope it has RAW internal. Push other companies into a RAW arms race.

No raw internal war because of patent.  They might have something like BRAW and external raw but that is about it.

Yeah, if the a7s4 has the rumored specs, count me out.  I will probably go to blackmaigic.  They have shown to be innovative.  The pocket 4k seems to beat the rumored a7s4 on all fronts except for autofocusing.  It's like canon trying to protect it's Cinema line of cameras all over again, but this time it's sony.  Disappointed because I bought a whole bunch of Gmaster glass.  Oh well....  I think if I get the pocket 4k or 6k, that should last me 4-5 years before I want something else which to me is a long time.

1 hour ago, rawshooter said:

the camera downscales the 6K raw sensor data into simulated raw sensor data of a virtual, software-made 4K sensor. Which creates all kinds of weird artifacts, as demonstrated above in the visual comparisons of the camera's 6K stills with the camera's 4K video.

Oh, so basically a firmware update is the only option right now.  Well, that cured my GAS for a bit.

This topic is fairly interesting to me.  Let me pretend to know what you guys are talking about and summarize the issue.  When the sigma FP is debayering the raw footage; it seems to be causing artifacts because of the algorithm it is using - a firmware update is needed to cleanup the out of camera video by using a better algorithm.  Also, since RAW is RAW, davinci resolve needs an update to better read the sigma fp raw footage because it too is adding artifacts to the footage. 

If those two things were fixed.  Most importantly, the better support of FP raw within davinci, than for $1.8k, this is a really good camera for the price.  Am I seeing everything correctly? ?

34 minutes ago, EthanAlexander said:

It's what Mercedes does with the CLA or A class, for example

Except when you open the hood of a Mercedes, you actually see an engine made by Mercedes instead of a honda engine.  There are instances IIRC where Red has said they designed/made something, when it was actually an off-the-self part  (like the sensor; the "engine" of the camera).

20 minutes ago, MurtlandPhoto said:

If we even have Ironman rolling his eyes, we must have reached peak minutia :-) slowly backing away...

23 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

 

The prosecution rests m'lud

Technically I said apsc, and not super 35.  :-)  From my quick google search the ls300 sensor size is 23.46*15.64 which is smaller than apsc.  However, I guess technically a MFT could fit an apsc sensor but with significant drawbacks.  Perhaps that is why the LS300 was not popular (e.g., corner sharpness of MFT lenses meant for smaller sensors)?

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