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Does the Sandisk extreme pro 128gb  95mb SD card work with the 5D3? 

A professional image is one that you can use on a project for a client that pays you money, its a little irrational to say that thats impossible with a 5D3, GH3, 550D etc etc.. DV wasnt that long ago and people were making money with it for a long time!

No your right What I should have said is a film replacement camera.

 

It wasn't that long ago and still can make films using super16mm and 35mm and that has been the case for many years. Although technology has advanced we haven't actually advanced our position of what we can do by that much re picture quality. Most people in the UK still watch standard definition TV.

 

The reason you would want the best quality is for post and for HD and cinema and also future proofing.

 

If you want to make a pop, Internet DVD, or even HD with limited colour correction then go with the G6 as it probably wont matter that much and you probably could make a feature film with 8 bit 4.2.0 But why limit yourself with what should be old technology now. its only really popular with Japanese manufacturers as a way to keep technology reserved for the more professional professionals.

Well for me the Canon 5D3 is to soft unless you use RAW The G6 and GH3 are 4.2.0 8 bit and no matter how good the image may look this problem will always crop up in some way or another.

The only camera here that can give a professional image is a hacked Canon and then would you trust it for professional use writing to SD cards. 

Yes but the G6 is 8 bit 4,2,0 compared to the 5D3 with ML RAW.

Where is the comparison?

Hi Brian

Well you are happy with it so that's all that matters However I would imagine others would want decent sound when recording kids Also many may not want the huge files and would find the quality of something like a 1/3 point and shoot camera as they are never going to grade the hell out of it or show it on a forty foot screen. if it was me the last thing I would want is to be worrying about capturing spur of the moment stuff and worrying about focus Because although in the 16mm format it is still a large format sensor. Also with no ND filters on board and messing around with adapters of various sizes this could prove a nightmare.

Of course some who know photography may want to use kids as their topic for Vimeo tests instead of cats and in that case I'd recommend something like a Panasonic G6.

It just makes me laugh how many people want a BMD camera without realising its pro credentials are really designed for pro use IE a crew. And then moan like hell about its rubbish sound and other ease of use shortcomings.
Maybe explains why there appears to be quite a few pocket cams advertised on ebay already.

No. Windows only

Is there now a quick way to get the 5d 3 footage ready to edit?

This looks good.

 

https://vimeo.com/72008856

Exasperated by the lack of BMD cameras and their non communication I am again looking at the Canon 5DL Mark III

What I would like to know is What are the issues with the 5D like moire, anti aliasing etc and how it compares to the BMCPC. Is there a way to record the RAW to SSD cards and how easy is it to use and how easy to grade? Any test films? 

 

Also any fixes like special filters etc that can be bought.

 

Workflow - How easy is it to use Canon raw and how many hoops to jump through to edit in say Sony Vegas. Could you for example buy Cineraw or something like it to be a one stop solution.

 

 

I think what your forgetting is the broadcast market globally is huge. Why on earth would they make pro kit at a knockdown price and the have the pro market buy that instead of their more expensive offerings. Why on earth would they give consumers access to pro equipment so they can compete with the pros.

 

Its easy to see why they wont. Morally they cant justify holding technology back so they just say nothing. But that is the nature of business and I'm sure they would all rather sacrifice their consumer offerings and keep the stills cameras and broadcast along with a smaller but still fairly decent consumer video market.

 

The large companies refusal to allow the technology to us without a massive mark up has meant Others are taking up the slack Just like what happened with the recorders like Atomos and letus adapters. Quite funny really.. We find a way..

 

 Its only by encouraging companies like BMD and Kinefinity will we get pro equipment.

I think the Japanese manufacturers know what they are doing. They have been here before with RED. The solution is to ride out the storm and up the stakes. This is why there was a push for 4k and global shutter To try to move the market where companies like BMD couldn't reach. However they did. So there will be a new push to an even higher level. This time it might be something like super sensors made in house.

 

The traditional way of doing things has been sell a model incrementally improve it every two years and get everyone to upgrade. That model still applies only instead of incremental change it is big changes in the short term until they can push others out where again they can practise incremental changes every couple of years.

 

I don't really think we can lobby them to change their ways. The only real answer is for firms like Kinefinity and BMD to get established and give them long term competition.

 

I guess though its all good at least now technology is moving on and not stagnating as it did for many years.

Equally, people shot with Super 8 cameras in a similar way. Pistol grip and nothing else.

 

It's a style. If one does not like it, get a tripod or a shoulder rig with EVF.

 

The beauty of the Pocket is that it's small whilst the BMCC is rather chunky and heavy. You can't run & gun with the BMCC as easily as you can with the Pocket. That's why they wanted to get those 13 stops into a smaller camera, to give us the other style of filmmaking and another application for the technology.

 

If only the Japanese were as imaginative about applying their technology to the creative world.

Andrew If you are doing a review then maybe I should help you.

 

1) The real advantage of the pocket is not its size as that soon becomes irrelevant the moment you add a viewfinder outboard battery Mattebox ND filters and lenses. So pocket camera in name only.

2 One advantage it has is if you strip it down of the accessories you need you can film incognito although for many making a film that is unneccesary But for those making a film it is useful for those hard to get to places and of course on a gimbal.

3) The biggest advantage is you can use it with old super 16mm lenses. A lot has been said recently about these ancient lenses but some of them are high end glass that made real films. Some will be amazing. You could use the BMCC with 16mm lenses but then you have to crop and no real way of framing on the monitor.  

4) The picture performance is professional Some complain about many different things like sound Batteries etc but its like complaining that a formula one car eats petrol and an uncomfortable ride.

5) Only buy this camera for the picture quality Don't buy it for any other reason.

My ill conceived views? Are all views different to yours ill conceived?

 

If you insist the pocket camera is designed to be for incognito and pocket portability use and  that is your view and wrong and really mate you need to support it or give it up. One thing that annoys me is deceptive misleading information based on a whim or preference. You need to give the full facts without subversion to be a trusted reviewer.  

This is clever marketing by Blackmagic. My belief is that they have put this image on their website just to show you that the Pocket camera is in fact, a capable, professional cinema camera.

If this wasn't a Pocket camera, wouldn't they call it the Blackmagic Lite? The Blackmagic Mini? The Blackmagic Pocket name makes you believe you can in fact carry this camera around in your pocket and capture professional cinematic images. This is true.

It is your choice entirely if you want to rig this camera up for the long haul, and it is possible of course. But with all this battery life talk, doesn't this suggest., well, this thing is Pocket after all? Get out there, grab a few shots on the London Eye to match my BMCC footage?

Lets read the title again... Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera. A cinema camera that can fit in your pocket. It's true isn't it? If not, what the hell is it? What were the marketing department thinking? It's no way a Pocket camera! My lenses are huge and my battery pack is bigger than my head.

My point is.... The camera is a Pocket camera, marketed as a potential professional camera. Some of those buying the camera will get excited by the Blackmagic pictures, because they think they are buying into a piece of proper movie gear and they will now make super super movies. Potentially they could be. Blackmagic says they will be. Because they said so. ;)

Well its not just me Its anyone with an ounce of common sense.

http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.php?5730-Show-us-your-Pocket-Cinema-Cam-Rig

 

Maybe its time to have a rethink in who you climb in bed with?

 

To answer your question yes they do call it a pocket camera because its a nice description of its size but it is only part of a camera package like the red. You have to add to it in order to make it fully work. That may have escaped some of the more intellectually challenged but most fully understand its use.

 

Some may not like BMD and that's fine but I don't see it as a reason to try to undermine it to lose them business. All you are really doing is shortchanging those you are professing to help and that might be overlooked but people still remember the game. Probably best to be straight and say you don't like the manufacturer for whatever reason. I think BMD's dealings with people have been awful and I would gladly have gone elsewhere. However for professional value for money they are presently unbeatable.

It's called the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera. It is marketed as a Pocket camera with cinematic capabilities.

It's like saying the iPad was designed to sit on your desk at home. Imagine having to be forced to use an external battery just to make it what it is - portable.

I'm going to the river to play with stones and sticks. It's much fun.

Hmm with a crap battery and large sensor with no pocket lens supplied.

Would you use pro lenses for its only attribute its pro picture Or would you use not so good pancake lenses if so maybe get a cheaper DSLR with compression

 

 

Taken from the Pocket cameras BMD advertising blurb. Now is that a canoe or pocket camera in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me.

Truth is it's both.
I think Bloom (in part three) will remark on the add ons needed to use the camera - like a rig, viewfinder and external battery.
But at the same time, one of his main points in the part two review was he could film on the London Eye, and in Waterloo Station, whereas his friend with the more obvious camera couldn't.

The ability to use the camera incognito is not in my opinion what it was designed to do and is a bonus. If you know anything about cameras and you what prores and raw do then it really shouldn't be that difficult to reach an easy conclusion that takes Phil Bloom a long time to demonstrate how silly it is to use a consumer pocket camera with his final result of it being for pro use.

Does this silliness really need to be demonstrated to the extent some are taking it? Personally I think a more direct review summing up why it isn't a pocket consumer camera over a few minutes then a full review of its pro ability would be far better.

Size doesn't have to hurt battery duration.

 

The Nikon V1 has a huge D800 battery in it yet is as small as the Pocket camera.

 

Blackmagic need to use a less power hungry LCD panel and a better quality battery. The processor and sensor are likely pretty hungry, but at the moment that's a necessary trade off for the low price and high image quality.

 

I think at least choosing a battery from the DSLR world that would have allowed the attachment of a battery grip would have helped us all out a great deal. GH3 battery and grip would have been perfect for this camera. I have no idea why they went for the Nikon J1's crappy battery.

Maybe you have BMD's philosophy wrong?

Telling BMD they should redesign the whole thing to fit in with your version of BMD's philosophy is not really having a grip on BMDs philosophy is it? Surely better to buy a camera that has those things instead of the BMD Pocket.

Its really gobsmacking stupid how many want BMD to add more pro features to make it a pro camera and obviously then would obviously cost a pro price.

Trying to shame or ludicrously point out its weak areas (As if BMD didn't know what they made) is just simply crazy.

The camera is clearly a cheap way to shoot a pro picture and ONLY a pro picture. No pro sound battery or monitor. You want batteries buy them. The ones that suit the use YOU want it for. That could be big or small On rails off rails connected to the mains in a studio or a generator on location. 

You need to take it for what it is and if you have a use for it then use it and stop trying to diminish replace add to BMD's philosophy when clearly you are wrong as are many and although BMD wont try to clarify as they want to sell as many as possible it is really up to reviewers to tell the public what the pocket camera is able to do and not define it as something it isn't. Which is....The camera clearly gives pros on a budget a pro picture and the rest is up to them including sound and any extra niceties professional cameras have.

That's not the Pocket camera philosophy at all actually. Why do you think it is small? So you can go adding bricks to it? I don't think so. Maybe you'd be better of with the BMCC.

The pocket camera has a philosophy?

BMD got the idea from the hacked canons and why did people hack the canons? To use as cheap HD cameras professionally. The pocket camera already pointed out by esteemed bloggers like Phil Bloom have already pointed out it is indeed not a pocket camera at all.

It actually records RAW and PRORES both professional formats.

It has crap sound NO built in ND filters SO what is it? A professional point and shoot with crap sound that needs a separate sound recordist.

Maybe you think they designed it for professional looking art films like you make so you can add music later? Don't think so..

I guess the thing is from a design point of view it uses few components and cheap everything EXCEPT the image where it goes to town.

 

I would say from a very simple deduction that the camera is a professional image maker And on that basis can be used in any area you want a professional image. That includes what you do and what I do.

Using it as a pocket camera doesn't work that well I mean You can hardly see the screen in daylight so you need a viewfinder on the back. The battery lasts 30 mins some say and you need ND's and really some sort of matte box and of course lens So hardly designed as a point and shoot pocket camera.

I think overall though many reviews have pointed out it is not really a pocket camera. I thought you were better than that.

I don't see the camera that way For the most part it is a professional tool that needs a matte box follow focus sound recordist and camera crew. However some shots can be done discreetly or on a gimbal with a bare minimum.

I think the problem many are having with this camera is they are comparing it to a dslr when in fact it is a professional piece of kit needing a professional workflow,

On the Sony EX3 that battery is held in the battery compartment. How would you rig it to the Pocket camera?

 

If the EX3 d-tap power socket matches the spec of the BMPCC 12v socket physically I don't see any reason why the battery wouldn't work.

 

But we really need something more bespoke for the camera.

Andrew

I wouldn't try to rig it to the camera However could put it in your pocket on a long enough lead using the D tap. Could also attach it to the rail with an adapter I have two already. I assumed it would work then a thought dawned on me, what if the battery gives out to much current and fries the pocket cam. Thing is if the battery does work I have two from my old EX1 and a charger and its likely to last a looong time.

I don't know much about batteries ratings etc. I think the pocket camera battery has a 12 volt input Would I be able to use the Swit S-8U62 Li-Ion 63Wh which is rated at 14 volts with the pocket camera?

http://www.videogear.co.uk/Batteries.../prod_906.html
 

Trailer looks great Joachim!

A "promise of raw some day" is far from acceptable for any camera at however pricetag  that says "raw recording" in the website specs and in the box. Yes the camera would still be a great deal as it is, but that's not the point, and they should get their shit together asap.

Of course its the point and what is seemingly acceptable to you is very acceptable to those who buy it. You would only buy this camera for its prores ability and hope RAW comes along soon. Even in the unlikely event RAW never came along this is a major bargain. However RAW will come along its almost a certainty as those who have the camera and the promise would probably bring the company down. If someone for whatever reason didn't realise it didn't have RAW and it was going to be a future update then there is a case for looking at the description more closely..

Could you link to the defy jerky footage? The footage I've seen so far looked okay.

Andrew I think many are getting fed up with BMD and their news blackout and promised deadlines. How about doing another review on the kinefinity cameras if possible with tests to eke out any problems like globes or other possible failings?