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8 hours ago, Mokara said:

All youtube does in generating the lower res versions is combine the pixels, so 4 pixels becomes one in 4K > FHD.

Nothing you say is relevant to the OP.

On 11/15/2018 at 10:59 AM, Mokara said:

If you watch 4K on a smaller screen, it is your computer/device that is doing the downscaling, not YouTube. No sharpness is being added. It looks high resolution because it is high resolution. 

Shitty downscaling increases aliasing -> increases hard edges -> looks "sharper". Playing stuff in a browser usually means shitty downscaling. Youtube is played in a browser. 

Those edges of the buildings (and hard lines) will start flickering and aliasing when played in 4k with a 1080p screen.

Yes, youtube does a shitty downscale that gives 10x more aliasing to 4k material when viewed under the 4k size.

That's also a good reason why those 4k vids look so "sharp" when watched on a 1080p screen.

5 hours ago, gelaxstudio said:

man，why dislike canon is a thing？I can dislike any brand I what

Sure you can dislike anything you want. You can write a book about it too. It will still be weird.

8 hours ago, Mattias Burling said:

Just a bit weird imo.

There are users like gelaxstudio whose entire forum post history (8 pages) is all about Canon. It's really weird. I don't think he actually even shoots with any camera.

On 10/30/2018 at 10:54 PM, Mokara said:

He was comparing the cameras directly against each other. It is not his first dance either, he knows about sharpness settings...

What? He is a youtuber who shoots cars in a parking lot for 5 minutes. Seriously, that whole video was a goddamn parking lot scene. 

On 10/16/2018 at 10:10 AM, jonpais said:

Are you saying rolling shutter’s not such a big deal after all? Or that regardless of how poor a camera is, it will sell like hotcakes? ?

Oh no, I hate rolling shutter maybe more than most (as I like doing handheld stuff with snapzooms and all kinds of crazy things that RS destroyes). The thing is, we've had RS cameras now from since...The Sony HC1 and the Canon HV20 from 2005 onwards. After those came out, we haven't really shot anything without RS. Those cams (1/3" sensors) had about 20-25ms of RS and it looked horrible then and it still does.

The thing I was commenting was probably meant for another thread but it's this: The EOS R RS is nothing new. For example, the 5dmkIV has the same RS. The a6300/a6500 is pretty much the same at around 39ms. The original A7s (and the a7sII) is also about 30ms in 4k which isn't hugely far from the 5dmkIV. NX1 is 30ms. It's pretty much as bad as a RS can be at 30fps. So people wondering why aren't everyone commenting on it is probably because cameras with huge RS have been with us for a few years now. A lot of people use them in 1080p mode and that cuts the RS in half (that's what I tended to do with the a6300). And that is what people will probably be using with the EOS R.

I'm not saying it's good (I hate even the so-called fast RS of the C200 (16ms and you can see it easy)). Even a camera that people see in their minds as FAST - specifically the Sony RX10 ii onwards) has about 35ms of RS in 4k30p.

20 hours ago, androidlad said:

It was tested a while ago, 30.45ms rolling shutter in 4K.

 

a6300 has a 39ms RS measured by Samuel H at dvxuser, he also measured the A7s and the NX1 at 30ms in 4k.

You guys sure that the EOS R looks worse than them?

1 hour ago, Mako Sports said:

A6300 is also doing 6K full sensor readout hence its rolling shutter issues though

Though it's only doing APS-C. Exactly like the EOS R is. It looks just as bad. To be honest, these are not 4k cams (not the a6300 / a6500 or the EOS R) if you shoot anything that moves (handheld etc). When I shot with the 5d mk IV I mostly used it's 1080p mode too and occasionally tried the 4k.

9 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

10-Bit, 4.2.0 is not considered Broadcast Quality.  Main reason is because of poorer Chroma Subsampling.

Which is funny because everything comes out 4:2:0 anyway. And it's not like shooting 4:4:4 and then playing it back 4:2:0 has any advantages compared to just shooting 4:2:0. It doesn't unless you do grading that really has intense colors with hard edges (and even then the output will destroy those edges anyway when it comes through the tv).

Just now, jonpais said:

There are thousands of rolling shutter tests of the a6300 on YouTube.

Oh yeah, I guess I don't really search for that stuff anymore. It was a horrible camera that everyone loved.

If the rolling shutter in 4k is the same as a 5d mk IV, I'd say it's pretty much the same RS as on a sony 6300/6500. Or about-ish.

How many of those youtubers reported a horrible RS on the a6300? I think it was discussed maybe at the this forum and then not much. It's just... a majority of users seem to still use these 4k cams in 1080p. I sold my a6300 and the guy who bought it uses always the 1080p50 mode because he wants the option to slowdown some shots. The thing is, in 1080p50 the camera looks horrendous but he doesn't care or even see it. And he makes videos constantly and bills them too haha.

On 8/31/2018 at 5:07 AM, MdB said:

1DC has better 1080p when using external. Hands down. The C100 though is better to shoot and really ready to go. 1DC is way more fiddly. C100 has less RS and the balance plus limited RS means very natural looking handheld unstabalised - Not something I get with most 'hybrids'. 

Doesn't the 1DC have less RS in 1080p S35 mode than the C100? 1DC has more in 4k mode but 1080p S35 should have twice less than the 4k.

1 hour ago, nigelbb said:

Since when did video AF become a deal breaker? Whatever happened to the idea that real men used manual lenses?

When people started using gimbals with no focus mechanism. Also when they started doing dolly push-ins with one man crews.

The first Sony A7s had these artifacts in it's 1080p mode. Black lines against big contrast & white. It looked shit (and no reviews ever seemed to mention it). There was a previous Sony camera that also had those and supposedly fixed by a firmware update (read about that 4 years ago in some forum). It was a Sony thing, atleast a couple of models back.

Do the sharpening settings affect it?

On ‎7‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 10:03 AM, kye said:

What about if you want performance while in the studio but also need to retain portability?

I have a laptop and I can do editing on it or plug it into a monitor and work in a studio. No need for an external GPU atleast not yet.

It's a pc. It can coexist in a mac environment easy.

It basically just means it turns off all the "enhancements".

A bit of swords with the 5d raw:

Well this is damn inspiring. How does the funding go in Sweden for projects like this? Here in Finland they are very averse to funding anything that has 'genre' in it.

That's normal especially if the iso is a bit up. It will pixelate, it will breakup if you freeze frames in motion.

Awesome to hear that the teaser works! Of course the final film has a much different ratio of dialogue to action than the teaser (teasers are easy to make good!). I'll write a little "how to" or something as we get closer to releasing it online. The annoying part about making short films is that just as everything is gelling together in the shoot (And all the little mistakes have been ironed out) it's already time to end. The shoot was three days and that includes a little reshoot, then we shot some little pickups, like walking around shots later.

Hey guys, just finished a short we shot in 2017 November. This was an interesting project and probably my best short yet though it does have some issues in pacing and dialogue. Here's the teaser:

Would be awesome to hear how the teaser works. As this forum is quite technical, if you have any questions about cameras or whatever, feel free to ask, I'll try to provide answers. We shot this one all over the place with a Blackmagic Ursa (DoP by Ehetyz, a forum member here too.), 5d mark III raw (with one days worth of wrong resolution to boot), sony a7s ii and one shot from a nikon d850.

The length of the finished version is 19 minutes and I'm trying to figure out what to do with it, festivals first I guess. Anyone here have any ideas what to do with shortfilms haha?

8 hours ago, User said:

It seems as though there may be little other way forward... so I'll most probably give it a go.
Tell me, is PPro 2018 duplicating media as you move it from project to project?

Is PPro 2018 working well for you?

When you import a sequence there is a button that asks what happens to duplicates (if I remember correctly). 

2018 is working okayish, im having some issues with the audio solo bug (you need to click that sucker several times) which has made me output masters with wrong audio files. A pretty serious bug actually.

Yeah, I move sequences between projects on occasion. But I haven't done that with a massive project. Mostly just commercial work, ads etc which are considerably less massive than what you've get there. 

And even if I had, I wouldn't presume to know your project and suggest something that might end up catastrophically. Just finish it with what you've got if you can.

Or what I would do is -> backups of everything -> download trial of cc 2018 -> try it out.

On 6/4/2018 at 5:41 PM, Geoff CB said:

The short I shot on the Ursa 4.6K I was shot at 4.6K scope 4:2:2

I wish I had shot in 2K 4:4:4 instead. Especially with a 2K DCP delivery. Color and motion over Resolution every time.

You can get 2k 4:4:4 just by downsampling 4k 4:2:2.