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emrahcahit

Posted 25 December 2012 - 01:15 PM

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I m a Photography and Video student from Istanbul TURKEY. I ve been following the news about BMCC since the day it was announced. I ve havent hold it yet and try myself but as far i as i can see from reviews its an awesome camera with great dynamic range. The problem is most of most of well known Turkish DoPs are underestimating this camera because of the small sensor size which leads to wide angle lens/Framing problems. I just dont get it how can someone refuse to see the 10bit raw image quality and grading flexibilty when you compare with same price range cameras? Could anyone explain me how can a DoP refuse to accept   inevitable and undeniable facts? TY



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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:11 AM

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^ Shooting in Raw isn't practical for everyone's workflow.  If you are making a documentary and you need to record hours of footage at a time, the BMC loses a lot of it's advantages over something like a c100 which is bundled with a bunch of features that make your life a lot easier. 

 

But if Raw makes sense in your workflow, i think it's a huge advantage in terms of achieving a really polished and cinematic look. 



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Posted 31 December 2012 - 11:18 AM

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Hello
 
I m a Photography and Video student from Istanbul TURKEY. I ve been following the news about BMCC since the day it was announced. I ve havent hold it yet and try myself but as far i as i can see from reviews its an awesome camera with great dynamic range. The problem is most of most of well known Turkish DoPs are underestimating this camera because of the small sensor size which leads to wide angle lens/Framing problems. I just dont get it how can someone refuse to see the 10bit raw image quality and grading flexibilty when you compare with same price range cameras? Could anyone explain me how can a DoP refuse to accept   inevitable and undeniable facts? TY


look at the Alexa industry in Türkiye. Compare the grading to American products. Grading specialists are underrated. With all this in mind how will the BMCC make a difference. Most DOPs here in Türkiye prefer Alexa anyways as its industry protocol. Small indie projects are a different matter but the best DOPs know better to continue working S35 sensor or RED.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 09:40 PM

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How many of the DoPs are also the editors/colorists? They might not see the benefits because they arne't seeing the image benefits in post workflow. Image quality is not the soul factor of camera choice. Ergonomics and workflow also play big factors. Yes, RAW gives you more options in post, but with this camera it takes a lot more to get, and for some it's not worth the aditional effort.

 

Out of curiosity, why are you worried about what other DoPs are doing? The most important opinion to you should be your own.



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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:20 AM

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Form factor shouldn't be an issue for professional shooters.  Once it's in a cage and/or baseplate, mini-HD monitor or eyepiece, battery pack, follow-focus, mattebox, etc. you're interacting and seeing the kit, not the camera.  These components all function basically the same whether you're using a DSLR or a BMCC or C300, etc. and end up being in basically the same place relative to the final central mass of the big mess stationed atop the tripod.

 

The form factor argument on this or any camera has always cracked me up because any camera kitted out for production is an ergonomically challenged beast that's very unfriendly to those not completely initiated.  About the only thing I've ever seen that remotely looked comfortable to use would be some of the compact Arri or Aatons designed for lightweight shoulder work.  And see, that's the thing, pros are often having to rely on completely different cameras for different styles of shooting coming from a 35mm motion picture world.  All of these newer, compact digital solutions are far more flexible, requiring only rigging re-configurations for different styles of shooting.

 

 

edit: and yeah, many users don't need RAW just like most don't need 4K.  They want it.  A lot aren't going to be prepared for the increase in complexity and demands either decision puts on their post.  



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Posted 24 January 2013 - 02:22 PM

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Turkish television is serious business.  I kid you not, the average ''primetime'' television runs about 90min minimum to sometimes 2 hours just for one episode.  Crews have to shoot everything within unorthodox scheduling that if practiced in the states there would be heavy rebellion against producers.  this is the case now in Turkey, and many actors and crews have literally protested against the tv networks.  The best shows use Red or Alexa - the middle weights use Panasonic or Sony ENG cams.  The reality is that there's no creative time for grading TV shows.  There's just never enough time.  Blame it on the producers.  A BMCC in the mix would be out of the question.  HOWEVER, indie films here are a whole different ballgame and conform mostly to world standards.






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