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Idk, with this new tech, I think Panasonic should start producing some micro 4/3 mount lenses that cover S35mm sensors. They’re really starting to push the price boundary for a micro 4/3 sensor camera, IMO.

Idk @webrunner5 Panasonic is charging $500 more for less features... just kidding. I just watched that Slovenia video... the footage looks pretty good.

Is it known around the GH5 world that HLG is better than V-Log? From what I’ve seen, as a whole, V-Log looks better... but I’ve always liked CineLikeD... so what do I know. Also what ever happened with that Like709 profile that was all the rage when the GH5 came out? I don’t hear anybody talking about that anymore. Well no matter how you look at it, FF has a 2 stop advantage. It blows my mind the shallow depth of field I can get with an f/4 lens.

@Emanuel nah I’m still going strong with my 5D3, but if I had more money that Terra 4K looks pretty damn nice. And I really enjoyed Bloom’s EVA1 footage. But who am I kidding, if I had that kind of money, I would still choose the C200 over the rest.

That’s true and it would only be wasted on me... I’d be the only person in the world that would shoot all-i 1080p in CineLikeD and then complain it doesn’t look like my ML footage... ? Good point, they shouldn’t have named it GH5 at all... they are definitely two different cameras. I almost think the GH5s should be cheaper.

Wait, I think I was the first to predict Dual ISO... so @Neumann Films when should I expect one of your old GH5 cameras in the mail as my prize?

@Neumann Films do you get to keep the camera you used for the promo videos?

Yes, but the GH5 or GH5s aren’t production cinema cameras... they’re consumer LUMIX cameras. Too much microwave testing occurring over at Panasonic R&D.

I don’t know about the headline feature, but it seems the headline will be... “No IBIS... What is Panasonic thinking?” I think the article will begin... “With an industry first, Panasonic has not included a feature to protect the sales of their lower end camera...”

Yeah but you need a lot more computing power to work with them. With ProRes files, my cheap Mac cuts right through them. Storage is cheap. Hell the 1080p ProRes Jon was recording from his G85 to the BMVA looks as good as any 4K I’ve seen from the GH5.

Sorry, I was going for EVA Minus 1... it sucks when I have to explain a joke...

I don’t know, it seems like they should have called it EVA-1 instead of GH5s. No IBIS is a bummer for me, so even if it had Raw or ProRes, I have no interest in it. But again, just to be clear, I’m sure it will be an awesome camera capable of amazing images.

@jonpais I’m sure he would, if I see an opportunity on IG, I’ll bring it up.

@jonpais yes sorry, I added to mine as well... I was referring to Red not BM cameras.

Idk, I would assume other factors come into play there, but as long as he’s happy with it. Of course, I mean between Red and GH5.

@Mmmbeats good points. With the GH5, Panasonic included some professional features into their consumer division flagship camera, the GH5s continues this tradition. Since they don’t have a $5000 cine camera, that don’t have that product line to protect. Does any one know how successful the sales have been for the GH5? I figured they were great, but I could have been thinking that based on this microcosm. I follow him on IG, really talented and nice fella, it seems. But I wonder if he would have ditched the BMPCC/BMMCC for the GH5, if it didn’t have IBIS?

Yeah, I guess highlight rolloff will be the key. It can be pretty harsh with the GH5, lending to its “video” look. So if the s variant solves that, then in a lot of ways, it’s worth the upgrade. But without IBIS, it would have been smart to introduce some type of internal ND.

Well if these specs are correct, we now know why it’s only $2499.

Unless the GH5s shoots ProRes or Raw, it isn’t.

Yes sorry, I misspoke... there is no color science per se but the RGB filters on the sensor will affect the overall color of a Raw image. Take the same exact image shot with a Pocket cam with the same exact image from an ML Raw camera and with the same exact post workflow, the colors will look different.

@kidzrevil yes they make all of their lenses in the F Mount... that last one is a Tokina 24-40mm f/2.8 in F mount. Here’s the same lens on the NX500. This was when I would just slap a LUT (multiple) on everything, but you can see how it looks with a 2.5x crop... And finally here is a screengrab with that lens from the D5500... so a S35mm crop. I was going through a tint phase, to try and find a simple vintage look... so the colors are kinda weird... I actually like it, but I am probably one of the only people around here that will...

@JordanWright I had that lens back in September. I didn’t have a great copy of it though and found I liked the image from my Tokina 24-40mm better and it’s much smaller. However if I can find one at a good price I may give it another try eventually. Here are a couple I shot with it on the 5D3... And here’s one I shot on the 24-40mm... With all three of those, I was testing some different looks rather than just normalizing the clips, but all in all Tokina has some great vintage lenses... even their old RMC prime lenses have some interesting character.

Idk, I’m pretty sure every person has stated that the GH5 is a better camera... hell... it’s not even the point of the discussion. And no, obviously I don’t have the time, or the inclination to do that, I’m in the middle of doing final polishes on 3 screenplays before I send them out into the world at the end of the month. Idk, maybe @IronFilm is right. Those guys who started with the GH2 in the golden age of DSLR filmmaking have moved onto better cameras and although the GH5 is an amazing camera and capable of way more than the GH2 could do, those really talented operators are operating much higher end equipment and the next generation of filmmakers will now sow their oats with the GH5. But just to be clear, as not to offend you... the GH5 is the best filmmaking tool on the market and anyone who doesn’t use it to shoot any and every video project is a moron. And no camera before it, and since it, is worth discussing or admiring the great work that was/is produced with it. ?

@Neumann Films... what?! You’re probably one or two indie features away from a Hollywood deal. With the publicity you have from the GH5 fans alone you could Kickstart a feature and have a built in audience to watch it. Hell you could probably get Panasonic to fund it if you use whatever their next big camera release is, after the GH5s, to shoot it with.

Honestly Jon, I think this reply is the very reason why this discussion began. You’ve very astutely listed all of the reasons why the GH5 is a better camera than the GH2... umm... every single person who has commented has agreed with you. But if it is that much better (which it is) then why isn’t the work floating around Vimeo and YouTube that much better? I think the discussion was formed because there is some truth that creativity can be born from limitations. The GH2 is a legendary camera with limitations, those limitations forced people to be creative. And trust me full frame is amazing.