Ty Harper

Gerald got an hour and 53 mins at 4K XF-AVC on an LP-E6P batt.

Yes, great feature and AFAIK the R5C can't do it. My question is whether there is a technical limitation that would stop Canon from adding open gate on the R5C in a FW update?

Yeah but I imagine Smallrig/Tilta could maaybe make a special cage that has the right compatibility with those screws? I shot Smallrig a quick email just to see what they say. So much of their stuff is inspired by custie requests and I love them for that! Just looking at my R5C right now, it technically might be doable. The tradeoff would be reduced access to the power switch and top facing LCD panel on either side of the hot shoe. But of course that's all provided that the hot shoe is even compatible 🤷🏾‍♂️

Apparently CVP confirms in their review video that the handle is NOT compatible with the R5C - which begs the question: what is the point of the multi-function shoe mount if something like this new multi-function top handle isn't compatible, but the Tascam one is? 🤷🏾‍♂️

An important question for me is whether the C50 top handle/audio mixer is compatible with the R5C? Looks like it's secured with two screws on either side - but maybe Smallrig or Tilta can make a modified cage that allows the top handle to be bolted down that way? 🤷🏾‍♂️ If it is compatible I wouldn't need to be pinning for that Tascam Fr-AV2 anymore. But if it isn't it would be another head scratcher bcuz between the C400's detachable monitor and now this top handle/audio mixer, I feel like Canon is missing these really big opportunities to open the door for Canon made essential accessories that are compatible across/within their cam/cinema lines which would further strengthsn their ecosystem. Either way, seems like a great piece of kit!

FYI, CVP discusses batt life in their review. Seems like it might actually be less time than the R5C tho 😳. This link goes straight to that section of the review:

Agreed. And this is a cam catering to all the people that had issues with the R5C. One big question being debated is whether this confirms that the R5C will not get a MKII... officially putting it in the rarefied company of the 1DC as a Canon unicorn cam.

CVP in-depth review + comparison tests with R5C, C80, FX3, etc:

If this is really how it'll look, I'm loving what I'm seeing, but prob not for me unless I sell one of my R5Cs for it. Looks like an R50V is my best bet - but I'll likely wait till the usual people run their tests and reviews before I bite the bullet.

Honestly, I tried IBIS with the R5 and was underwhelmed. I ended up buying a second R5C and the Digital IS along with lens IS is perfect for my needs. But also, has Canon ever put IBIS in any of their C-line cams?

Yeah I can see that but for me - a shooter with two R5Cs - I don't need it to be robust on the photo side, just the basics, like an R50V. Either way, the more I think about it, the more I feel like the R50V is all I really need right now, but open gate would be kinda nice to have still!

Well bcuz it would join the R5C as being the only two cams in Canon's cinema line to offer video and photo features - which is basically what a cam needs to offer to be considered hybrid, no? But also, as someone who has two R5Cs I wouldn't be interested in it if it didn't offer video/photo capabilities.

I'd agree with @eatstoomuchjam as this seems to be marketed as a hybrid cinema/photo cam so totally catering to the R5 MKIIs video/photo demo. As someone who has owned an R5 and currently has two R5Cs - personally, I was hoping the C50 would be the best of both pro cinema video and pro photo worlds with a footprint smaller than the R5Cs (closer to the R50V) - bcuz then it could also become my everyday walk around cam. But if it isn't I'd prob just bite the bullet and pick up a used R50V which are finally starting to show up on FB marketplace and kijiji.

If that's the C50, it looks bigger than I thought. I was thinking it would be closer to the R50V in size.

The form factor of the Tascam FR-AV2 and Zoom F3 make that less of an issue nowadays, imo - have you tried either of those options?

I hope they offer an attachable EVF as an additional accessorie. Also USB-C protocol that makes it compatible with the C400s detachable monitor. It's actually wild to me that Canon hasn't already done this with that monitor bcuz the touch screen AF would make it an amazing monitor option for gimbal work.

I was considering pulling the trigger on a used R50V (actually being sold by the guy who does the Camera Conspiracies channel) all weekend long - then I seen the Canon USA post on IG. If it is indeed a C50 then I believe it would be the final cam I need to complete my A/B/C trifecta and ride out into the sunset.

Sept 9th premiere launch date. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOD3vIsDRuK/?igsh=MW1xc2cxcTMyanM3bw==

Imo, you're describing two different strategic approches to AI. Yes, it's important for us to get familiar with it as a tool in our work - but there are also managers/execs, etc looking at AI as a way to cut costs, which includes human labor, at all levels of production. So the only people kind of protected at the moment are ones in unionized jobs... but of course even that is temporary.

Sorry if it was already mentioned but the Canon R50V ($699USD) seems like a no brainer. But also depending on when you need to squeeze the trigger, Canon is rumored to be announcing a new Cinema cam with the R50V compact form-factor next month: https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-to-announce-new-compact-cinema-eos-camera/

I wholeheartedly agree with where this sentiment is coming from - but I think the pressing/prudent thing to spend that leave on is wrapping our heads around generative AI (etc) and how that tech will likely transform/disrupt our current creative media workflows and the creative media economy.

But, imo, you/me/we are only capable of looking at this from our particular idea of art and what it means for art to have a soul. The next couple generations of kids will have different reference points for that same idea/measurement. This is why the big corps pushing AI don't care how we feel about it - bcuz they're looking at the long game. So they understand that we are not their target audience (bcuz we'll be dead, lol). Their target audiences are the generations coming up who will be born into a world where AI, etc is just the norm. So you're absolutely right that there will still be people who value art that has a soul - but again, what will prob be different is the criteria they use to decide what art with a soul looks/feels like. It will be different - but just as essential to their existence as it has always been throughout human history. There is no technological advancement that will ever result in humans losing their desire to make/consume art with soul. What can and is happening is that we are losing our ability to monetize/exploit/make a living off art with soul on a large commercial scale. But that really only matters bcuz we currently live/work/exist within a capitalist system that is exploitative by design.

You're absolutely right, but the creator of the future will likely be wired differently than us. Specifically when it comes to how we perceive/capture/synthesize/translate the real world into different visual/audio mediums for the purpose of telling/expressing a story/POV. So it is understandably hard for us to fathom how AI will change things. But that could be the "difference" you're sensing. But that doesn't mean the core thing(s) that drive humans to create will change. But I could also be completely wrong too, so there's that, lol.

I could be wrong that I feel like we've arrived at a place where video quality is technically pretty solid across the board in new gen mirrorless cams. But if we're talking about R50V vs 5D MKIII ML RAW, it's less about better and more about 'different'. The 5D MKIII ML RAW definitely offers something aesthetically different than the R50V, but all things considered, I don't know that it offers better video quality, overall.

Yes, there has always been those who gravitate to a piece of kit for other reasons than the prudent ones that revolve around basic specs and price point - but if you're a beginner looking for an affordable/pocketable cam that will let you tell stories by capturing photos/videos with reasonably solid IQ and the standard bells/whistled (like DPAF, Digital IS, exposure tools and a camera mount for vertical-friendly shooting), there is no reason to go beyond a used R50V at the moment. Especially bcuz it is being marketed to that younger YouTube generation - and there are a number of comprehensive videos on setup/settings etc by guys like Josh Sattin. Again, this is coming from someone whose career was launched thanks in no small part to ML, and will not sell my 5D MKIIIs, still has an OG 7D that my little cousin tinkers with, has two R5Cs that are my future proof workhorses - but that is still seriously eyeing the R50V+RF 16mm combo as a fantastic pocketable travel/walk around option. In fact the only thing stopping my from picking one up now is the fact that I don't actually need one, but that I'm also waiting to see if Canon will be releasing a higher end version later this year. But also, we're forgetting the elephant in the room - which is AI and the way it might change what it means for younger generations to capture/tell visual stories.