Andrew - EOSHD

I'd get the A7S over the D750 overall.

I think to fully damp high frequency jitter you have to move the sensor extremely quickly and nimbly, maybe it just isn't possible yet with such a big one. Another issue is that maybe the sensor is too close to the edge of the lens mount so it doesn't move enough? The E-M1 has more room around the sensor, more margin. Anyway I'm not an engineer, but Sony need to fix it. Let's not write it off completely - it might do a hybrid IS when a Sony OIS lens is attached, using OIS for the high frequencies and IBIS for the larger ones on all 5 axis.   I just wish at the minimum they'd match the competition... Minimal moire like D750, nice and clean... And IBIS up to E-M1 standards. Oh well.

The Sony A7 II is the first full frame mirrorless camera with 5 axis stabilisation inside (sensor shift based). It also gets some ergonomic and video upgrades such as XAVC-S at 50Mbit/s, S-LOG and 120fps. But how does image quality compare to the Sony A7S and how effective exactly is the much anticipated "SteadyShot Inside" for video? Read the full article here

It's staying the same I can assure you of that.

No wonder Canons sell so well if their users think the 70D is full frame :)

Don't get the 70D unless you need the AF. Get a used 5D Mark II and shoot raw with Magic Lantern.   The Tamron 24-70 F2.8 is a great lens, I have it and it's better than the Canon L equivalent for less money... it's wasted on a 70D. You need to appreciate it on full frame so that's why I say go for the 5D Mark II... it's only a bit more than new 70D if you find an old one on eBay.

  The A7S can go to 12,800 cleanly and it costs $2k. It's cleaner in low light at ISO 12,800 than the 1D C is at 6400 at "only 10,000 euros". Bargain I say, that 1D C. Bargain!

But not because of cameras or sensors, so your point is moot. Nice try. Some really ripe troll frying material on this thread so far

  When 1080/30p/25p or 24p is selected you have available 0.25x slow mo in the menus.   Output frame rate of the file remains 30/25/24 but sensor cranks up to give you the slow mo.   So 0.25x slow-mo is quarter speed. At 30p x 4 = 120   Looks like 120fps to 30p conformed in-camera when I shoot with it.   Still to really dive into it 100% and write the blog post about it to compare it to 120fps on the A7S and 96fps on the GH4. Until then take all this info as preliminary!

  Scoop!

Very clever :)

  It's hardly a bad 1" camera. The 1" sensor it uses is the best 1" sensor on the market.

  Maybe not on EosHD but they do on EOSHD.     Who are "They"? It's such a gross simplification you're trying to pass off as a relevant argument. The audience at EOSHD is mostly advanced amateur and pro. Enthusiasts with high knowledge and those looking to increase that knowledge. The advanced amateur filmmakers I know from my 4 years of running EOSHD just don't do what you're describing. They read reviews first and research the options. They choose the right tool for the job and one that matches their existing lenses. And nobody with high knowledge spending $3000 on a camera simply walks into a shop and blindly buys what the sales assistant recommends. You're talking about a specific type of customer with LOW knowledge who doesn't have a clue and doesn't really know the options inside out like we do... they don't know that Samsung currently have a better APS-C sensor and that Sony currently have better image quality. A Canon 60D is enough for them and it's cheaper, and it feels familiar ergonomically in the 10 seconds they have to try the cameras in the shop, so they buy it. This is the person you're describing and it's completely irrelevant to the topic you're applying it to.   Actually many of the general consumers are buying Sony at the moment especially the younger demographics, as they have always used LCDs to compose an image, and the optical viewfinder seems unnatural to them.     Big film studios have used a Panasonic. There have been major box office hits shot on the GH2. As for colour science, Panasonic VariCam - I say no more. The big accessory companies in the US like Zacuto and the smaller more specialist ones like Hot Rod Cameras are big Panasonic supporters and these guys are as much a part of the big film studio food chain as top directors and DPs. Their stuff is used all the time in major film and TV productions. If pros never used Panasonic Micro Four Thirds, Hot Rod wouldn't be doing PL adapters for them.     So what? I'm not talking about that market! I'm talking about the high knowledge enthusiast crowd which is where Canon are failing right now.   And this crowd contains a lot of "influencers". The herd follow the shepherd eventually.   For the record iMacs are not overpriced. 5K screen for a start. Samsung TVs are not overpriced. They have a full range of models right down to bargain prices and the price / performance ratio is excellent on almost all of them.     Well that's a great attitude.   Says it all really  :rolleyes:

  Doug! It's $12,000! Not an enthusiast market camera! Hello! Do you read me!? DOUG!?

  Do you shoot a lot in low light Doug? You clearly read a lot in low light!! I clearly said "overall" that the GH4 and NX1 offer more features than the 1D C. They are better all-rounders, better optimised for shooting video. This isn't an opinion, it is a fact. I didn't design the cameras. Don't blame me for delivering to you a bunch of nice facts from the world out there.   As for "there's no extreme lowlight 4K camera alternative on the market" to the 1D C, I think you'll find the 4K output of the A7S is better in low light.   Again I didn't just invent that... it's a fact.

  How do you know? You don't.   DSLR shipments are down and compacts have plummeted. That has definitely cost them. If you look on the stills forums, people have the same complaint as I do about video. Not enough innovation, nigh on same sensor performance for half a decade and no high end mirrorless camera. If you look at the G1 X Mark II design in a shop... get your hands on it... compare it to LX100 or Canon's own G16... it tells you everything about how uninspired Canon's 2014 has been.

Sony and Panasonic's camera / imaging divisions are profitable.   Damphouse seems to be confused. It is the TV and phone businesses that have posed the problem. Firstly the products were just not competitive enough (or imaginative enough) and Samsung / LG entered the market and said "we'll do it better and cheaper". They did that in both LCDs and phones, so double whammy. Apple entering the phone market of course put paid to the Sony Ericsson / Panasonic high end phone business to some large degree as well - especially outside of Japan. Look at Motorola and Nokia, similarly screwed. Nothing to do with the cameras not being good enough Damphouse!   With DSLR shipments going down and mirrorless rising or holding steady depending on the market, I think Canon could do well to follow the example of Fujifilm and Sony, by introducing a high end mirrorless camera.   But they won't because they have the EF lenses to 'protect' just like Nokia had candybar feature phones to protect. Similarly with Cinema EOS being protected from their DSLRs, that is the death knell of any kind of decent video on the consumer products.

It definitely needs polish, and I can't BEEEELLLIIIVE the left out raw photo editing... huge marketing and selling point of the phone that is.   I am very happy with it now I have this feature.   It's so cool to be able to grade a 20MP 12 stop dynamic range still on a phone and upload it straight away.

If you just want something tiny on the other hand... Go Pro Hero 4 (Black Edition) of course does 4K internal, 24p. Worth a go.

If walk-around run & gun is your thing I recommend the A7 Mark II with the 5 axis stabilisation. Bigger than a phone and an extra device to carry but in my view, good stabilisation for that kind of thing is more important than 4K. The 4K you would get from a phone would barely be any more detailed than 1080p and it would look compressed, clipped, limited dynamic range, video-ish. Interchangeable lenses on a large sensor are the way to go for video if you don't want it to look like rubbish.

  In my opinion it is completely the other way round to what you are describing :) They have an excellent marketing department. The 7D Mark II is not the best APS-C with unheard of specs at all. It's an old 70D in an old 5D Mark III body slightly rejigged and the AF updated.   The sensor is a generation behind Samsung's APS-C process. The manufacturing is behind.   The sensor cannot do 4K video. The Samsung one can.   Let's not mention the codec... that mushy codec, noisy at ISO 200 and a pale imitation of the raw sensor feed we all know it's capable of internally because of Magic Lantern. Mosquito noise at ISO 200... is that included in the "unheard of spec"!?   Resolution. Behind. Dynamic range. Behind. EVF, none. Proper timelapse mode, crippled. Continuous shooting rate, behind Samsung's 15fps. LCD, behind AMOLED. Peaking, none. H.265, none. 4K, none. 4K HDMI, none. 10bit HDMI! NONE! And then you blame the marketing department when it gets a bad reception with enthusiasts... pardon me, but this is just madness.

  Kodak was profitable once. Nokia was profitable and Apple was loss making. Now Apple are the wealthiest organisation to have existed in the history of Earth and Nokia are gone. So you do realise your statement means nothing don't you?   Besides I don't care how much profit Canon make. I care about the cameras.   Canon haven't made much profit from me in the past year!

I can open and edit raw files on the CM1 now. App called Raw Droid enables it. Wonder why Panasonic didn't. Their image editor when launched from Raw Droid now works on the raw files. Grading raw right there on my phone. CM1 suddenly became a lot more attractive :)

Have you downloaded the ungraded files Matt?

  Why the f*** are you here then? :)