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51 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

I don't disagree that it's preventing innovation, but what's the most likely outcome here? Apple cementing itself even further. We're exchanging one greedy overlord for another. 

Yes that is one outcome. 

But say Apple turns really greedy over lord and adds 3 zeros to what ever RED is charging. 

As the compressed raw market then would be open, one by one would move away from Apples PRRaw as they could not afford it. Because Apple would be over charging on an open market with many other solutions. Both free and proprietary ones. 

Apple have nothing at all to benefit from that.

Today all the options we have are all neutered one way or another. With one greedy over lord. 

Is that a better situation?

1 hour ago, newfoundmass said:

I was referring more to the major players. 

Yeah, in a battle between Apple and Red I'm not sure any of us win. It may open up compressed RAW for most of us, but giving Apple even more control and dominance makes me uneasy. 

Which may be Apple's intention. I know some don't think they have any interest in a camera company, but they're making moves in the streaming market, which ultimately leads everyone into producing their own original content. Apple looking to gain a foothold into the cinema industry isn't unrealistic. 

As of now REDs loose patent is blocking an industry from going ahead with their own compressed RAW solution.

If the patent falls, everyone in the industry will be able to move ahead with their compressed RAW solution of choice. Apples codec - although a heavy force - is only being one of many.

9 minutes ago, Skip77 said:

RED will lose this battle.  Apple has been down this road before and it says a lot the they are going after RED in the courts. 

Remember RED suing SONY?

Atomos has said ProRes RAW is coming later this year.   The screen capture from Atomos was dated Aug 1, 2019

Nikon also outlined what the first few firmware updates would be and they've stayed on schedule.  

The lack of a more locked down date does concern me.  

As I'm intrigued by all this I felt the need to register and take part in it.

Nikon India is trying to say something.

https://nikonrumors.com/2019/08/16/new-nikon-india-video-teaser-nikon-has-something-exciting-for-videographers-and-filmmakers-a-revolution-is-coming.aspx/