Michael Steiner

So do I understand this right that I could set up one of these BP-TRXs with a Lavalier and simultaneously send the Audio to another BR-TRX but also to the DUO-RX, so having two Receivers getting the same Audio signal? 

And in another Scenario have two BP-TRXs set up as Transmitters to send two different Audio-Signals to the DUO-RX while also recording the Audio on both?  

Well for 8k raw recording, the limiting factor for now will probably be the Cards capacity anyway. If the datarate corresponds to that of the current Canon raw-formtas, 30 Min of 8k raw recording would require 900GB of space on your card...  

13 hours ago, Thpriest said:

hi, I don't yet know Resolve enough to say but it does seem like you can really work on the footage, grades etc (not that you can't with FCPX). With a a quick turn around job the color options etc are more than enough in FCPX I just had a feeling there was a lot to explore in Resolve although that might be due to it's layout.

Yes, I agree. For grading, compositing and probably even Audio finishing/fine tuning Resolve is a more feature rich application. Also I would't I say Resolve is a bad application for editing, I haven't done enough editing in it to judge that. In my experience FCPX is simply very good for editing, for "assembling" a film. And in this regard especially good for doc work and anything that requires lots of organizing and preparation before doing the first cut... I'd bet that any movie I edited in FCPX would have taken way longer in Premiere, with way more crashes during editing. But yeah, I personally hate Premiere from the bottom of my heart and find it very frustrating that Apple messed up the launch of FCPX so badly that Premiere could become an industry standard.

7 minutes ago, sanveer said:

The only question is what would the bitrate be? 

Should be 4gbs if compression is same as in C200/1DX.

Edit: which would mean not much more than 4 minutes of recording on a 128GB card if my math is right. Crazy...

6 minutes ago, noone said:

The vast majority of Sony mirrorless cameras are sold to stills photographers and for those, video only needs to be good enough and 8 bit is not an issue for them.

Haha, this is probably the most used argument for the lack of video features in past Canon cameras 😂 Pretty sure I used that one too at some point. 

32 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

are a sleeper features.

As a non english native: are „sleeper features“ something positive? Or something unspectacular? 

On 4/16/2020 at 9:00 AM, Thpriest said:

I'm starting to try a few edits with Resolve and I can see it will be great for more complicated projects (docs etc). But I'm sticking with FCPX for all my quick corporate stuff.

Completely agree with your impression that FCPX is very good for quick turnaround work, but I'm curious for your assumption Resolve might be better for docs. My impression is FCPX especially shines in doc work where you spent a lot of time organizing, tagging, transcribing etc. For me the media management capabilities of FCPX are still unmatched by all other NLEs I know (can't speak about Avid). That, its multicam feature and the integration with Motion 5 for me are very good arguments for FCPX. If it comes to Audio though... 

For me a big advantage of AF is speed. Touch what you want in focus, then press AF Lock. If needed, do small adjustments with MF. Often I’ll nail focus way faster this way compared to full MF. I’d say this is how I shoot 80% of docu style stuff.

1 hour ago, BenEricson said:

I work with the C300ii quite a bit. CLog2 is closest to the Alexa. It creates very soft and filmic looking highlights. 

I haven‘t yet given up all hope for a firmware update that brings a 10bit codec to the C200 (that might bring CLog2 too). But yeah... probably never gonna happen. 
But if the C200 had that, I think I‘d be served for the next 5 years...

2 hours ago, BenEricson said:

What is the raw footage curve then? Can’t you select your desired log curve? I’ve never used the C200 but I thought there was an option to export out Clog2 or 3 from the raw files? 

Yes, if it works like on the C200, that should be the case for raw footage. But I was talking about the encoded formats. I think Canon left out Clog2 on the C200 (for non-raw shooting) because it is designed for 10bit files... The C300 II has it. And it is very, very flat. For certain scenarios it would be usefull on the 1DX III too I‘d say.

2 hours ago, gt3rs said:

 

EIS does not seem to work as good as on the C500 II. But otherwise it looks like a very impressive camera to me. I do wonder though why there‘s no C-Log 2 and C-Log 3...

22 minutes ago, OliKMIA said:

Doing 8K on FF or small sensor is a whole different story in term of thermal dissipation. Heat is the physical limit at the moment with the current technology (CPU, memory, etc.). See the fan on the SH1 and most pro camera.
Agree with the crop, 8k video shouldn't crop much unless they go way beyond the "native" 8k resolution (need a minimum of 40mpx fora  3:2 ratio sensor to output 16/9 8k).

 

So then it‘s a question of heat generated by the sensor?
Don‘t get my wrong, I‘m no  engineer, but it does‘t seem logic that a processor has more work to do when processing information from a bigger sensor compared to a smaller one. 32mp is 32mp... is it not? 
I don‘t know about the S1H but on the C200 the fan does only start after 25 or so minutes of recording. And it has two processors inside... 

With the R5 having a newer processor and probably a recording limit, 8k does not seem entierly impossible...

23 minutes ago, OliKMIA said:

I also see the track record of this company and the physical reality of 8K.

What is the physical reality of 8k?
Consider there‘s now a Samsung Smartphone shooting 8k and working Sharp prototypes with 8k MFT-sensors. Both (I assume) with smaller form factors than the R5. 
There probably will be a limit for 8k recording: 30min best case, maybe less, if we look at the 1DX3. A crop is not really possible since there aren’t many (if any) pixels left to leave out. 

The way Canon promoted this Camera only months after the 1DX3 anouncement is a clear indication for more than a „sticker on the box“ feature. 
Nonetheless: those hoping for 8k RAW/ProRes will have to prepare for disapointment. 
Maybe 10bit with H.265 compression but I‘m not betting any money on that. C-Log is a given. The deciding question for me: what will the 8k feature mean for the 4k modes...? 

1 hour ago, wind1414 said:

my excitement depends on if R5 delivers there & if there is PRORES 10bit internally at the video side

None of the japanese companies ever implemented ProRes in a DSLR or mirrorless camera. And nothing indicates this will change with the R5.

Would it be nice? Sure!

But sometimes you have to ask where such strange expectations come from. At least they‘re not based on any logical assumption or reality. 

2 hours ago, currensheldon said:

This R5 and R6 launch could be viewed as Canon's REAL launch into mirrorless cameras. 

 

Completely agree! Let‘s hope the rumored specs are not too far off. 
And once these cameras are released, the EOS R will probably fade away, maybe even the RP. Although that one might stay as the lowest budget option... 

5 hours ago, currensheldon said:

I don't get why people think this will be a budget option just based on megapixels.

Not only based on MP, but based on the name and the rumored specs too. Following Canons DSLR naming logic, what you hope for would be the R1. 

50 minutes ago, independent said:

the point is that internal RAW seems more appropriate and likely for Canon’s R6 20MP sensor for full frame than 4K 10-bit 422.

Nothing in the rumour indicates this. I hope your right but would bet you’re not. If you‘re really expecting raw on a lower range Canon, prepare for disapointment.

41 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

So out of all the manufacturers Canon is the only one that can make mirrorless cam with internal compressed raw video legally.

So what I stated right above your post is not true then? The patent has no reference to compression ratio? I thought I had read that somewhere, but could be mistaken...

19 minutes ago, independent said:

The C200, C500 II, and the 1DX III would beg to differ!

Canon's flavor of RAW (Cinema Raw light .CRM) is slipping through. I'm guessing they might be doing something similar to BRAW to get around the patent.

No, they just don‘t compress enough. Red patent is for compression ratios of 1:6 and higher. Canon Raw is 1:3 or something in that ballpark.
But don‘t expect Raw on the rumored R6. It looks like this is a budget model rather than a filmmakers dream... 

Sometimes one must be a smartass: hoping for a 180 degree shift so we‘re not back at where we‘re now after shifting... 😬

No need to fear for a giant crop factor IF the rumored specs are true. Not many pixels to crop for 8k on a 40-45 mp sensor...

1 hour ago, Video Hummus said:

$2799 for the new R5

Dream on. With the rumored specs: $4000+

that‘s my bet. 

10 minutes ago, MediaMan said:

Kinda feel bad for Panasonic. After all the disappointments from Canon in the last few years I was actually rooting for the S1H. They were actually listening to the marketplace.

Well, it‘s still a good camera, no matter what Canon is releasing.
I think this rumors are mainly good news for Canon shooters, a sign their brand might start to appreciate the needs of the video crowd a bit more. Something Panasonic is doing anyway since years.
Is that really a common thing: switching brand/equipment every time a new „best of class“ camera drops?  
 

1 hour ago, Dunjoye said:

Well I believe it when I see it. 

 I'm with you and have serious doubts myself, but let's not forget canon announced their plans for an 8k camera shortly after the launch of the EOS R. 

From an Imaging Resource interview with Canon a year ago: 

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Video will play a huge role in the EOS R System for sure. For example, an 8K video capable camera is already in our EOS R-series roadmap. 

So who knows, maybe they are indeed ready to deliver on their promise...?

While I don't see why 8K should be important to them or to anybody at all, if that spec also brings us closer to 4k 120p in those cameras, I'm all for it... 

There are now also specs for a Canon R6 on CanonRumors:

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Canon EOS R6 Specifications:

20mp full-frame CMOS sensor

IBIS

12fps mechanical and 20fps electronic.

4K @ 60p

New battery (Not sure if it’s the same as the EOS R5)

June 2020 launch (We think a May announcement)

These look a bit more realistic to me than those of the R5... 8K raw and 4K 120p in a Canon mirrorless body? Sounds too good to be true... Could that even work without a fan considering the S1H has one for 6K recording?