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16 hours ago, Video Hummus said:

Masks not really useful unless you are already sick.

Best you can do is wash your hands, don’t touch your face and limit your contact with people until the infection rate is under control.

I’m more worried about the broader impact on my businesses. I have employees but it looks like, If the political parties put aside their grievances, we will have some financial relief for employees who become sick and can’t work.

Too bad I can’t take advantage of them since I’m self-employed!

This will be going on for a while, at least until most people have been infected, which could run into the next year. Don't count on extra financial aid from the government, there may be some for a week or two but after that it will become too expensive. 

Just now, barefoot_dp said:

Um, no. Even IF the virus magically disappears within the next two months, we will be feeling the economic impacts for many months (or even years). I certainly won't forget about it in two months sd my savings dwindle just as my second baby is due and my contracted land is scheduled for release, and I'll possibly lose the holding deposit because no lender is going to give me a mortgage when I've been out of work for three months because every job I'd booked has now been cancelled. 

 

I agree with most of what you've said, but what makes you think all the folk in the US are going to get the best medical care? Free healthcare is one of the many freedoms American's do not have.
 

Trust me, the guys on the ship received the best medical care once they were taken off. They were the first, they would have been seen as an example. When you get to the 10000th American infected, then maybe not so much, but the first ones would have been treated well because everyone was watching.

7 hours ago, fuzzynormal said:

Not only have I lost multiple jobs and screenings at this point, but my wife and I's supplemental income as landlords looks like it might be in jeopardy too, depending on what politicians do.  

Yikes.

The US is going to get rocked hard by this all around.  If we are where Italy is 2 weeks from now, it ain't likely to be pretty. My opinion is that life in the USA is pretty much random cultural nonsense anyway, with people in power operating with fear rather than our citizen's best interest.  

What happened yesterday at the White House was just another paper cut, just a longer stroke.  "It's national emergency time all of a sudden!  Pretend everything I've said over the past 4 weeks about COVID is irrelevant. And here are a bunch of corporate CEO standing behind me for some bullshit reason!  I'm not responsible!"  

I'm pretty damn cynical about society right about now.

I was expecting him to turn around, point at one of them and say: "It is that guys fault. Don't know who he is. Never met him in my life"

On 3/12/2020 at 6:05 AM, eleison said:

It will go away in two months unless our AMERICAN scientist are lying to us which I don't think they are.  We are not the Chinese, we are not the EU.  The USA is one of the most free and most open (with respect to ideas, innovation, etc.) societies.  We are basically the only nation with freedom of speech and when it matters, the USA as a society gets it right.  In any case, I'm going to say it now "everyone who is afraid of the virus is chicken little".  This is where I'm putting down my stakes.  Let's revisit this subject in a few months.  Also, I'm going to start buy stocks today.  I remember when the news media said that there was going to be an economic downturn when Trump got elected.  Those who sold, lost a lot of money.  This is the same situation -- it's all about politics at least for the USA.  There has been more people murdered  in Chicago (where I'm from) than killed by the virus.

What American scientists are saying it will go away in 2 months? None that I am aware of (Trump is not a scientist, no matter how much he thinks otherwise). Most pandemics last well over a year. We will still be dealing with covid-19 in 2021.

Unlike the flu, no one has partial immunity from earlier viral strains and no one has been vaccinated. Probably about 70% of the population will eventually get infected before it is done if steps are not taken. We have only just gotten started. Right now the mortality rate world wide in closed cases is 7.07%. In the US there have been 91 closed cases so far, 50 of which have resulted in death. That is a mortality rate of 55%. That will go down as more active cases close as recovered, but you will still see significantly more deaths than the flu. In China, the mortality rate has leveled out at 4.6%. A smaller discrete data set where the exact number of people infected is known with certainty is the Diamond Princess cruise ship, and the mortality rate there is ~2% among those infected. In spite of attempts to quarantine people on board the ship, about 19% of the people on board got infected. Unlike China, we can be sure that all those folk received the best medical care, so that is the sort of number you are going to see in the US . Do the math, if there are ~350 million people in the US, and 70% get infected in a worst case scenario with a 2% overall mortality rate (the flu is 0.1%, or 20x less) then it is not out of the question that we could see as many as 4-5 million dead in the US if the outbreak is not contained.

That is why everyone is so scared. You should be too.

 As for America "getting it right", their track record to date is not promising, all we have seen so far is a lot of bungling and incompetence. Take the tests for example, frankly it is just shocking that something as basic as that was not in place at least a month ago. They are going to have to get their act together and do it fast if they want to avoid that math playing out.

1 hour ago, fuzzynormal said:

I trust the actual medical scientists of the CDC.  They're not idiots and they know how reality works.  Do I trust other people that disseminate the information (including me)?  Not so much.

Yeah, but I think that's just in general.  They'd probably rather drink a Coors Light or some shit.

The problem with the CDC however is that the people actually overseeing it are appointees. They can't always be relied on for an objective assessment since there is an element of politics involved. If you go a few levels below that to the professional managers within the organization, that is where you start to see more objectivity.

1 hour ago, Márcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

Yep, waiting with anxienty for the Corona vaccine by USA. Finally a cure for hangover!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cornavirus-corona-beer-they-have-nothing-to-do-with-each-other/

"Survey finds 38% of beer-drinking Americans say they won't order a Corona"

That reflects the average intelligence of "regular people" unfortunately. And they still think they should have the same say in government as people who actually know what is going on.

Trump was put in office by the basket of deplorables and now we have to deal with the consequences of the "wisdom" of that demographic. Those sorts of people should not have the right to vote. There needs to be some sort of threshold put in place, such as education and/or income, so we can minimize the effects of the ignorant over their betters on governance.

9 hours ago, JurijTurnsek said:

The rat race will continue, since those are already pushing down the prices will continue their top ramen diet, whereas experienced shooters will maybe have to rethink their careers if their mortages etc. squeeze them too hard. On top of that, a recession is very much possible and video budgets will suffer and freelancers in all sorts of industries will feel the pain.

I work a fulltime job in IT and we just moved our work home. Productivity will be smaller, sure, but overall the effect on our company will be close to negligible.

Recession in the short term is a virtual certainty.

5 hours ago, IronFilm said:

Welllllll......  diarrhea is one of the symptoms of the coronavirus!
 

In a very small number of cases. Mostly it is more like a severe cold or pneumonia, so a fever, cough and difficulty breathing.

19 hours ago, MeanRevert said:

Black Swan event. You'll tell your grandkids about this time.

Back in the day when there was civilization, before Mad Max showed up and everything degenerated into lawless anarchy. Even today I can vividly recall the days when roving bands of bandits roamed the streets in their cars festooned with toilet paper....

Out here it is toilet paper for some reason. I saw some reports on TV about people cleaning out stores but thought it may have been just a made up joke story that perhaps happened at one location, but last night when I went down to the local supermarket and went past the isle that normally has toilet paper/tissue paper/paper towels and the toilet paper part was literally empty. Why? Lol.....do people think they are going to be crapping like crazy? 

14 minutes ago, hoodlum said:

If you have Rubbing Alcohol lying around you can create your own sanitizer containing at least 2/3 rubbing alcohol and the rest with Aloe Vera Gel.

At work we have 20L drums of isopropanol, so we can make as much home made sanitizer as we want.

The number of people in serious or critical condition should decrease as medical care facilities become more experienced in treating cases, so the number of deaths per infection should decrease as we get further into the pandemic (in developed countries anyway - developing countries are another story, but the epidemic has not reached them for the most part yet). If you look at the historical mortality rate for the virus in closed cases you can see this. At first it was quite high, but as numbers increased it decreased, although the rate of decrease is quite low now. 

22 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Yes I think a lot of people have it, didn't realise, didn't care or didn't get checked. Which in good news, means the 3.5% overall death rate is probably lower. The knock on impact is bound to get out of control, it's already mutated into two strains, one more deadly than the other and there are economic / social dangers.

The issue with putting a statistic or rate on anything is that the virus impacts different people differently... I don't want my mum to get it, who is in her 70's.

I think in Europe we might need to start taking it a bit more seriously and get more of a clue about where it's heading.

Some people on the London underground think a bucket will do it...

 

The 3.5% number is arrived at by dividing deaths by the sum of active and closed cases, and therefore is not correct because it ignores the 15% of active cases that are in serious or critical condition. About a third of those people will probably die (that is the group new deaths are coming from - people who are classified as mild cases are not dying).

They should only be using the closed cases for calculating the mortality rate, and currently that is 5.7%, not 3.5%.

The mortality rate is slowly decreasing (it has gone from 6.1% to 5.7% over the last week or so), but that is not because they are picking up milder cases, but rather because they are becoming more experienced treating the critical patients and starting the treatment earlier for high risk patients so they are less likely to reach that point.

3 hours ago, Video Hummus said:

Yes it does. When the Spanish flu was spreading there was a sharp decline in infections and death but then come fall and winter it would come back (and did and killer 100s is thousands in the US alone).

So having summer come to slow down the infection rate to buy time to develop a vaccine is very important.

I think the worst is yet to come for the US at least. We have been slow to deploy testing kits and as we do the number of confirmed cases are rising.

The ebb and flow of the infection was due primarily to relatively limited mobility at the time combined with the end of the first world war. Virus cases do fall off in summer, but the reason is not well understood. It is believed to be primarily due to social behaviour though, in cold weather people tend to congregate in confined spaces more than they do in warm weather, so it makes sense that infection patterns would be seasonal.

It will take at least a year for a vaccine to be developed and produced. That is not going to help for what is coming. Even the newer technologies that in principle could be used to rapidly produce artificial vaccines are in very early stages of development and are highly unlikely to be ready for anything in the sort of time frame needed. I am telling you this as a fact, not speculation. If a pandemic comes in 2021, things will be different, the technology will be there, but not right now.

16 minutes ago, noone said:

Not arguing with the maths and you may be right for the death rate of those who are hospitalized but I think for those those getting it at all, the death rate is a lot lower.      It seems as if many more people go to hospital as a percentage than do for flu but some strains of flu do kill more people and the worst thing about this (and why it WILL spread everywhere) is that you can be infected by someone long before they get sick and by the time anyone knows they have it, it is too late for those they are in contact with.     

Good thing I am anti-social.

Those are the numbers for confirmed cases. Obviously there may be other milder cases out there that are not tested, so they would not be included, but we don't know because they are not tested. But 6% is a scary number, assuming 70% penetration in the event of a pandemic we would be looking at 300-350 million deaths globally.

Mortality rates among confirmed cases among the elderly is pretty high, so I wonder what the effect on the US election is going to be. By the time that rolls around a significant number of Trump's supporters may be dead, and that could affect swing states, Florida for example. Hell, even the candidates from both parties may be dead, since both appear to be going to have senior citizens as their nominees. What will happen then? Does the electoral college then get to choose some random person for president?

9 hours ago, Jimmy G said:

Based on the numbers being provided at this link...

European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control: COVID-19:

https://qap.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/COVID-19.html

...as of this post writing: 89,068 Reported Cases, 3,046 Reported Deaths, simple math reveals yields a mortality rate of 3.4%.

Considering that diagnostic testing for this virus is limited globally, both the Reported Cases and, thus, knowable Reportable Deaths resulting from the virus are currently unknowable and therefore being way under-reported. A better understanding of the mortality rate will evolve as testing proliferates and the data pool expands with accurate reporting.

For the data junkies amongst us, here's an analysis of the European 1918–1919 influenza pandemic that infected an estimated 500,000,000 people and killed an estimated 50,000,000 people, a simple math mortality rate of 10%...

Mortality burden of the 1918–1919 influenza pandemic in Europe:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4634693/

...and a global historical data examination here...

History of 1918 Flu Pandemic | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/1918-pandemic-history.htm

 

Based on the first link's current COVID-19 dataset, we are nowhere near the proliferation rates as seen 102 years ago, nor are we anywhere near those mortality rates. With the exception of the data spike for February 13, daily Reported/Mortality rates are fairly constant and are neither growing linearly or exponentially.

Should those facts change I may raise my concern levels, however I'm currently dealing with this as a I do influenza season. There are a lot of pathogens and disease that can do us in, I choose not to live my life in fear...

List of human disease case fatality rates - Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_disease_case_fatality_rates

My college class for FCPX proceeds, I just scored a Zhiyun Smooth-4 for my iPhone, and my final video project will be due in May.

Keep in mind that although the mortality rate reported in the media is about "1-2" %, the number of people sick enough to end up in hospital is probably an order of magnitude higher. This virus is VERY serious and should not be taken lightly. As of right now there are 32,851 (82%) cases listed as "mild" and 7,098 (18%) listed as "serious or critical" (those are the folk in hospital or otherwise being cared by some sort of medical professional). The highest mortality rate is among those 80+, where ~20% of those infected are dying. That means that pretty much everyone in that age group who gets infected is probably going to end up in hospital.

Also, the mortality rate is not quite how people are currently calculating it, because they are including those currently ill as well as those recovered. It should really be the ratio of deaths/(recovered + deaths), or 3,120/(48,284 + 3,120), which comes out to 6.1%.

On 3/1/2020 at 8:07 AM, Video Hummus said:

So this is all hearsay so take it with the required dose of salt...

A friend has some connections with the US CDC and they basically said that everybody is extremely worried about the scale of infections with covid-19. That’s it more of a “when” than an “if” there will be an outbreak in the US.

South Korea is a good indicator of how fast this virus spreads. They basically went from tens of cases to over 1,000 in less than two weeks so there is very little room for error in containment and that has then worried mostly due to the mass panic it can cause but also the enormous strain it puts on hospitals and the effort required to contain it.

Its basically a mad dash to warmer summer months with fingers crossed...

But seriously the best thing to do is wash your hands and avoid touching around your eyes and hands...basic cold and flu prevention.

It is still early days in the outbreak, the shit has not hit the fan yet, we still have a long way to go.

Summer is not going to help you. Things like the common cold and flu decrease in summer, but that is probably because people are not in such close contact during those months because of changes in social behavior.

To minimize your chances of infection (not everyone gets infected in these sorts of outbreaks) you depend on firewalls to protect you. Basically the fewer people everyone comes into contact with, the less the chance of spreading. There will be a dynamic between the number who are currently infect and the number who can still be infected. So, if you immunize people (either from a vaccine or from prior infection) then there are fewer people to infect. Eventually the virus becomes isolated and when there are no more new hosts readily available it dies off. So the sorts of things that you can do is not touch your face and wash your hands frequently (failure to do these precautions is what usually causes infection). Try to avoid spaces that are social gathering points. Avoid traveling if you can. Wearing gloves when you are out and about probably will help as well, since you can remove them when you get home and thereby avoid contaminating home surfaces through touch. Firewalls through personal behavior, through social behavior and if you are lucky the number of infected people to immune people will drop off enough that you can avoid infection entirely.

5 hours ago, Emanuel said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mad-mike-hughes-daredevil-and-flat-earth-theorist-killed-in-rocket-crash-2020-02-22/

How's this possible in the XXI century?

Isn't there a limit for freedom of thinking?

Flat earth theorist !?? Are they kidding me?

Aren't there mental health authorities in US? I mean US, but could be anywhere else. Seems pretty clear to me, there's a border between common sense vs (plain/full) insanity.

Why not to simply forbid this kind of acrobatics? Last time I heard there are rules for drones to fly...

IMHO society (that is, all of us) represented by the State is responsible for such loss.

It is not illegal to be crazy. As long as you are not endangering others or going somewhere you are not supposed to, most governments in democratic states give you a lot of leeway to do whatever you want.

A better question would be why the Science Channel was taking part in this.

49 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Coronavirus isn't classed as a global pandemic yet.

As the chart shows, it isn't killing proportionally more young people with a strong immune system like you suggested earlier. They are almost all 60+

You see this is what's great about watching the BBC (even in its current Tory government crippled form) you can come to the internet armed with the facts and not some bullshit.

So you run out of high-spec DRAM and it has no affect on high-end cameras, how did you work that one out?

No DRAM = no camera!

A7 series is not small volume, they make tens of thousands a month!

In addition each camera is a big memory hog - LSI, buffer, even stacked sensor, and it is fast stuff too.

This is exactly what Sony is trying to mitigate.

Cutting DRAM use across all ranges of devices, to keep the PS5 BOM cost down.

Expensive wine comes in more expensive glass?!

🤨 🤨  🤨  🤨  🤨  🤨  🤨  🤨  🤨 

Low margin product or low cost? Big difference. It's quite possible the A7S III is a low margin product and they are cutting down on the larger buffer, or stacked sensor DRAM, or some form of 4K/120fps that makes possible, instead sticking with 4K/60p and keeping the PS5 BOM under $450... And I bet it is not just one product they are making sure doesn't divert vast quantities of short supply DRAM away from the PS5.

Probably the same decisions are being made in Sony's smartphone division.

The point is you seem to think that young people do not die in these outbreaks, when in fact young healthy adults do, and precisely because they are healthy. This happens every flu season btw, but just in relatively few cases so you usually don't hear about them. The fact that the doctor who died was young does not mean he was murdered, he just got infected by the virus and he was one of those people who got taken out by his immune system. It happens, especially with virus that comparably novel to human immune systems. That is extremely evident when you look at the mortality figures for the 1918 pandemic, there is a huge spike in mortality rates for the population in their mid 20s and early 30s. The reason is because of the way immune systems work and what happens when they encounter a virus that is substantially different from what came before.

People infected by Coronavirus mostly have mild symptoms, but if your immune system does not recognize it right away you are going to find yourself in those 1918 like demographics. That is pretty much what happened to that doctor.

A7 sales may be thousands a month but PS sales are millions. Rerouting some DRAM is not going to significantly affect supply, and you still don't have a reasonable explanation for why they would rather use that DRAM to sell a few extra low margin products rather than high margin products. If they stopped all camera sales completely to direct the DRAM to PS units, it would increase the amount of DRAM for PS production by less than a percent, that would have absolutely no affect on production costs for the PS4.

The A7S series are high margin products. They might not make a lot of overall profit from the camera compared to other sectors but the profit per unit will far exceed what they make from a PS4. 

In any case Sony are offering sensors with stacked DRAM for third party use, so why would they use this "precious" supply of DRAM to equip other companies cameras but not their own?

Plus, if they are not using DRAM in the sensor stacked buffer then they have to be using it in a discrete buffer, which means they are still using the same amount of DRAM, lol. 

22 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Much as I enjoy talking about death statistics on a camera forum...

Just going to point this out and be done with arguing with you.

0.02% between 10-39 died.

If you take people in their 30's alone, the percentage is even smaller and probably only greater than zero because China murdered a doctor.

So when you say "Actually virulent virus tends to take out proportionately greater numbers of young healthy people"

Maybe it's you who doesn't know what you're talking about. Which is a bit worrying if you really do work for big pharma!

Either that, or it doesn't apply in the case of the coronavirus and flu. Which is what we're talking about here.

Still - It is a disaster and a tragedy for China and for the economy.

My thoughts are with all those affected - the sick and those livelihoods ruined, from the lone businessmen to entire trades (like tourism) put on hold indefinitely.

As for camera manufacturing, everyone who relies on a supply chain of parts from China will be impacted not just Sony.

DRAM is a problem for Sony, you can't deny it. It is in every camera they make.

If the supply dries up they are fucked.

But yes... It's all the slow processor's fault if A7 IV doesn't have a fast DRAM buffered sensor readout 🤨

That is incidental, in pandemics it is the very young and very old who die disproportionately. There is something called a cytokine storm which takes out those with strong immune systems, typically young adults. Basically if you have a strong immune system and have not previously been exposed to a particular virus you can generate a huge amount of the cytotoxic molecules that kill the infected cells. You will see this happening primarily in young adults. They don't only kill infected cells however, they kill anything they encounter. That results in organ damage which in turn will result in death if severe enough, that will be the case if you have an exceptionally vigorous response or are in generally poor health (ie less capable of surviving the effects of that damage). That is how most viral infections kill people in outbreaks.

The biggest sample set in relatively modern times was the 1918 flu pandemic, you can read up on it if you want, but the groups hardest hit were the very old and young adults.

As far as DRAM is concerned, as I pointed out before, supply is an issue primarily for low cost high volume products. It will have zero affect on high end cameras. Nobody in there right mind is going to take a small volume of DRAM feeding a high end high margin product and redirecting that to a low end low margin product where the actual amount of DRAM involved is negligible to the amount required. No one runs a business like that, and if they do they tend not to stay in business very long, because it is a stupid thing to do. If DRAM prices increase because of short supply (for example) the a7SIII price will increase from, say, $4500 to $4600, a 2% increase. Something like the PS4 may go from $500 to $600, a 20% increase. Obviously the effect is dramatic for the PS4 but negligible for the A7SIII. The increase will kill the competitiveness of the PS4 but have no effect on the competitiveness of the A7SIII. And just rerouting a few more units of DRAM to the PS4 is not going to change that calculation.

If you have a vineyard and are producing wine in limited quantities, do you put it in the expensive bottles or do you put it in the cheap bottles? Keep in mind that your production cost is the same both ways. I find it hard to believe that you seriously would put it in the cheap bottle because you otherwise would not have enough wine to fill all your cheap bottles. That is just flat out a stupid. No business runs like that. In short supply the low margin product is the first to get cut.

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

They are still making the camera, it isn't cancelled, but they are dropping the stacked-DRAM sensor as a feature... Or possibly another feature reliant on more DRAM, like a larger buffer or 8K.

It might not be the A7S III they are referring to but the A7 IV which is made in very large quantities and contains a lot of DRAM chips especially if half of them are bolted to the back of the sensor aka A9.

In a situation where supply is very limited and your most important hardware release of the next 5 years is facing $450 BOM cost with price pressure from Microsoft, you do not aggravate the supply chain situation yourself, you go through every product with cutting edge expensive DRAM and do what you can to pair it back.

This is what Sony is alleged to have done and I can see the logic in it.

The issue Sony have is not the sensor, they are fine with that. Their problem is that their processor is old and for whatever reason they don't/can't/won't update it. Until they do that they are not going to have a major improvement in overall specs. If the A7SIII is limited in specs, it is not going to be because of DRAM supply or cost.

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

Has someone been watching fox news... bloody hell

Nope, this is a flu-like virus and flu is worse for old people with weaker immune systems.

If you look at who has died the vast majority are older than their 30s.

It is a novel virus never before seen. Humans have lived in close contact with domesticated animals for millions of years.

If your dog sneezes on you, you are not likely to get a novel flu.

The animal market in Wuhan did not contain domesticated animals, it was mainly wild.

Exotic stuff like bats and snakes.

Perhaps some ex-research centre rats with a cold.

Or maybe a snake that sneezes followed by a long SSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

Wuhan is not a high density rural area it's a city.

You have just won the annual EOSHD award for most untruths in a single post, and it is not even yet March.

Congratulations.

Can somebody design him a trophy?

I work at a pharmaceutical company as a research scientist. We are actually working on this stuff. You don't know what you are talking about.

1 minute ago, Andrew Reid said:

That is the whole point, they don't want it impacting products like the PS5... A massively important device for Sony's bottom line.

How committed are Sony really to cameras?

While I don't agree with PhotoRumours he does have a point:

"I have been saying this for years - the moment the camera business gets challenging, Sony will back up or back out. The full-frame mirrorless market is a crowded, shrinking space now and it is not what it used to be 5 years ago when Sony basically was the only player. I expect to see more canceled Sony products in the future, cost-cutting measures, etc - pretty much everything that other photo companies are going through. The good part for Sony is that their camera business is basically a rounding error that has no impact on the company."

No, the camera business is not basically 'a rounding error' it is far bigger than people give it credit for.

But the moment it becomes difficult, Sony will prioritise other businesses.

The price is the price, there is no way something like the a7SIII could have any impact on PS4 cost of materials or production, the relative market size disparity is too large. I still call BS on that argument. They might have other reasons for not making the camera (the most probable one being that they can't make a processor that is competitive enough for the features they need), but DRAM cost is not one of them.

5 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Yes, the filmmaker and his family sadly were not found a bed in hospital. They could have been saved. I also find it extremely sad and suspicious that the two main doctors who blew the whistle early on are dead.. One of them in his 30's. The virus has a 2% mortality rate and tends to impact old people worse, so the chances of a fit and healthy 30 year old doctor dying from the virus alone are very slim. I think there are factors at play we don't know about.

I also find it hard to believe the virus came from a fish market, or from some sort of sneezing snake.

Far more likely to have originated from the Wuhan institute of virology.

"The laboratory took over a decade to complete from its conception in 2003, and scientists such as U.S. molecular biologist Richard H. Ebright expressed concern of previous escapes of the SARS virus at Chinese laboratories in Beijing, and the pace and scale of China's plans for expansion into BSL–4 laboratories."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology

Why were the Chinese government so keen to cover it up in the first month of infection?

It could even be possible for research lab animals to be sold on the black market and end up at the wild animals market in Wuhan.

Actually virulent virus tends to take out proportionately greater numbers of young healthy people. The reason being that the virus itself does not kill you, it is your immune response to the virus that kills you. So the people who die are those who are generally in a weakened state (such as old folk or people in otherwise poor health), and also those who mount a very vigorous response to the virus (these tend to be young adults with a high level of general health). This is quite normal. It is not at all surprising that the doctors who raised the alarm died, they would fall in the young healthy adult category. In pandemics being too healthy is a bad thing, it is just as bad as being in poor health.

Virus such as these tend to come from environments where domesticated animals are in close contact with humans. They frequently come from places such as Asia because there you have high density rural populations with perfect conditions for cross species infection.

Sounds fishy to me. The amount of DRAM used in high end cameras is minute compared to all other applications. If there is a shortage then you would be using stuff like that in high end products, not mass market products. I can see it impacting products like PS units, but not flagship cameras. If it cost more they would just increase the price by $100 and no one would notice.

Escalating cost of materials primarily affects large volume low margin products (such as something like a PS4).

On 2/13/2020 at 3:44 PM, mkabi said:

We can break down the first sentence too, if you want... cause the second is connected to the first and I am even bold enough to say its an elaboration of the first.

So the first sentence says "If you don't care about filmmaking, then "peak camera" hit for DSLRs years ago."

In my opinion, the keyword here is "you" as in the person using the camera.

My translation of that sentence is that 'if the person behind the camera doesn't care about filmmaking, then the 5D mark 2 from 2008 is plenty camera for them." 

And did you read my response to that? Apparently not. I guess your knee jerked into your face so fast you were not able to, lol.

"For DSLRs sure, they have gone about as far as they can go, but MILCs can go much further than that (which is why DSLRs are fast fading into the sunset at the moment)."

I was agreeing with him ffs and then extrapolating to the future. As I said before, comprehension is lacking on your side.

It is it really necessary for you guys to contest every and anything I say, no matter what it is?