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On 9/16/2018 at 7:30 PM, Andrew Reid said:

Yes the codec's great, but nobody seems to be considering the whole package here, because there's no IBIS, no EVF, autofocus performance is yet to be proven, the battery life is miserable and the files will be VERY large at their highest quality.

You have to measure the EXACT difference in the final graded image between BRAW on this, and something like 10bit LOG on the X-T3.

I think for all the codec niceness the difference will be smaller than people think. Now ask yourself if it is worth the hassle of the strange form factor, no articulated screen, need to rig it up with EVF, external bits and a stabiliser...

True. But I am not only looking at specs. It all comes down to subjective needs -

My reason is simple I have a g80/81/85 and I was between buying an external 4k prores recorder or upgrade my camera to another with more robust internal codec and data rate. Preferably 10bit. And not unimportant (to me) reducing the rig size.
In the beginning of the year there were 2 (in my reach) - gh5 and gh5s. The low light performance of the gh5 kept me hesitating (not a big enough upgrade for me) and the gh5s pricing well ( in sony FF space )
Then shortly after this lovely (on paper) BMPCC4k got announced which checked all my (important) boxes. Similar ( pure speculation ) low light performance to the gh5s included.
And now the Fuji Xt3 is making an entrance. (and im sure many other will follow...well...probably not canon)

But I will not cancel my preorder (no. 3 on the list from my vendor ). The DNG raw is not a must for me. The prores is.
However with the release of BRAW that might change. It kinda set a new milestone to me. Datarates are presumably in prores space. And the fact that it is multiplatform and open to all to integrate into their software is big in my opinion. Not like prores that is mac first.  If BRAW  is prores smooth to work with then it is so much more interesting for me. The other camera producers are at least one generation behind now (if it work outside the press release ?)

I guess for my use, whatever the AS73 may offer, I probably will be fine with pocket4K (if it delivers)
 

On 9/16/2018 at 7:30 PM, Andrew Reid said:

It is also sensor-limited. We're not talking about a sensor as good as the X-T3 or A7 III. And the slow-mo is an even bigger crop.

Sure, like i.e the Red Scarlett etc. Would have been nice to avoid that big a crop. But for me not a dealbreaker.
Since the glass I have is m43, 43 and omd the mft sensor plays nice with me.
I would love a sony FF. But for my use and needs for the moment this will make more sense to me. 

On 9/16/2018 at 7:30 PM, Andrew Reid said:

Sure, I liked what ProRes and RAW brought to the image with the last Pocket camera, certainly in the creamy shadows and in low light.

But it was as good in 10bit ProRes as it was in Cinema DNG RAW.

So 10bit H.265 at the same bitrate as ProRes with Fuji F-LOG from a larger BSI 6K sensor with full pixel readout (possibly Samsung) has the potential to be just as good if not better.

Not to mention the fact it is much easier to go full frame on the S35 sensor with a Speed Booster than to turn the Pocket 4K sensor into no-crop.

I remember your article some 5 years back ago comparing h265 10bit and prores444 the latter having 100x bigger file sizes with perceptually no difference in quality (great article btw) 
I know it is not that simple since licensing and silicon and heat dispersion power consumption etc has to be taking into account. But options has been on the market for a while. Makes you wonder why basically only Samsung in the day embraced that codec.
I do find prores much smoother to work with than h264 in 4k/uhd. H265 without hardware acc decoding must quite challenging.

 

If the BRAW delivers as promised - to me the BMpcc4k gets an even better package - it almost makes the h264/5 10bit intra codecs look very dated...(and don't get me started on the 4:2:0 8bit variations...)

And did they just seal the proresraw fate?

Adding to the rant - take a look at this video:

This guy is sure the power unit isn't build to feed the cpu and gpu with enough power simultaneously (Apple are not alone)

And another worrying detail - there are no way to get the data out of the machine should the motherboard burn. The ssd (apparently any size config) is soldered to the motherboard and there are no emergency connector to get the data off the soldered ssd on the MBP2018 models...

In general we are a bit in deadwater right now when it comes to laptop performance (mac and pc alike, considering the battery, heat and weight issues the gtx1080 based laptops have). Sure, the cpu and ssds are really fast. But memory bandwidth and finally GPU performance is really far behind. For realtime performance GPU(and fast SSD for video)  is so important - much more than the CPU.
So egpus are a necessity to easily expand gpu performance for laptops.
But the Blackmagic eGpu is too wimpy - a least offer a top end card too like a Vega64 16GB

And then there are the CUDA drylands in the macworld...with openCL being deprecated in the next MacOS update not sure where that leaves us. Metal2 is meant not only for 3d acc like directX but also as a compute platform?

Like Max I am a heavy mac user but hate when thing get sloppy cooked!

Interesting article:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-raid-6-stops-working-in-2019/

Have been using various raid 5 nas in the past ( without hdd chrashes ) for backup going forward I only use raid1 enclosures (2xhdd) which give the security of having an exact duplicate should one of the hdds fail - no rebuilding needed for it to work. With hdd prices being quite low I am ok with using 50% of the total raid capacity as ‘security/parity’. And I am far more comfortable using big hdds with raid1 than raid5/6. A 2tb hdd can take xx hours or days to rebuilt in a raid5/6 setup. Imagine a 8 or 12 tb hdd...

ssd are not built for raid5/6 either. Using those raid configurations with ssd will shorten the life considerably ( accordingly to raid experts)

A pity they didn’t go for a Vega 64 16GB egpu straight away. Aiming for the higher end since it cannot be upgraded.

lets hope they will give us more options soon. I like the idea of a near silent unit. But I would prefer nvidia to get Cuda power for 3D renders. 

I am in the same boat as well -
The 12-40 or the 12-35 for my G80.
I was settled on the Oly...but without trying either lens. Mainly because of the Panny flickering and the focus ring feature on the Oly
My main use is video. I guess there are no other than to try both lenses out and see what works for me.

Cheers, for sharing

thanks for the opinions -

Not having v-log L or anamorphic mode is no deal breaker for me.
Having the 96fps 1080p mode from the gh4 could be nice. But not a deal breaker either.

G80/85 it is then :-)

Cheers,
Søren

Dear All

figuring out how to best spend my low budget for a decent video shooter for around €1000

Since I have some Olympus 43 lenses I am rather focused on getting a mft camera. I like Sony but the rolling shutter on a6300 seems like a deal breaker to me although the low light and 120fps is tempting.

I am in between these bodies:

Gh4 - €865 

G80/85 - €899

GX80/85 - €580

Would you chose the new G80/85 over the aging GH4? (Roughly same price)

Does the 300€ / 50% extra spend on the G80/85 get you a lot better video camera than the GX80/85?

As far as I can see the biggest difference between the 80/85 Gs is the 'cine  d+v' profiles and 4K 30p on the G80. And of course the possibility to add a battery grip (that you get for free ordering through October)

Thanks :-)

Søren