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Had hoped someone could clarify the Mystery (pun intended) about the missing XLR-inputs on RED's cameras , but perhaps this shall be revealed soon enough . In the meantime I feel like celebrating Mark Twain for his wisdom of mankind ...

Whatever mailing list or people believe, I think it is still best criticised & described by HelsinkiZim : ********************************************************************************************* Yes, so many blessings ... but only if You have a Panamanian account and moved it before things got exposed !!! (Joking, maybe we're all poor ?)

Aha, but doing some research on the RED cameras brought back claims of no XLR-input on neither Epic, Scarlet or RED ONE ! And certainly no Phantom power ... If this is true, Mattias, I might drop Your idea of getting a used Scarlet MX; REDs homepage neither mentions this ! At least with RAVEN (and assumeably Weapon) You can add an expander-module with 2 XLR-inputs - for only $ 4000 ! What a bargain .

Yeah, people hate waiting, so therefore on monday they'll deposit money like ecstatic fanboys from reduser.net or blackmagic.net ! Right ... And as the danish Philosopher Kierkegaard said : "The joy of anticipation is often the biggest !" . He must have seen the Marx brothers ... PS : Did no one read my previous want-to-believe-post ?Here's the funny part of it .. Perhaps it will interest You to know that the SAME EMAIL only for EOSHD has been sent to REDUSER.NET ? http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?143452-New-Camera-called-Craft/page3&highlight=craftcamera

While others will maintain the world is ROUND ... If it's too good to be true ... (it's a $ 6.000 Raven or CraftCamera ?) Perhaps it will interest You to know that the SAME EMAIL only for EOSHD has been sent to REDUSER.NET ? http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?143452-New-Camera-called-Craft/page3&highlight=craftcamera NB : Actually the want-to-believe-joke's dirtiness with CHEAP RED (Dana Sculley) and PROMISED BLACKMAGIC (Fox Mulder) gets UNINTENTIONALLY again (I swear !) even dirtier, when You read the name of this thread : "Craft Camera is coming!"

Dont think he meant Scarlet, Mattias, I read jghardings words this way : >> If you can be bothered to deal with a Red One MX it's even cheaper. no built in NDs, no XLRs or phantom power, expensive accessories and... A world class image. <<

But when people use FUD - Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt - as strategy before launching the products, in a campaign aimed at customers to place deposits I find it is like shooting Yourself in the foot . I bet this will turn many more away, than attract some - don't You agree that it looks "Nigeriean-style" ?

Sure, there's more than one strategy, but don't You find it rather stupid to BEGIN with the "FUD-publicity-is-better-than-none-strategy" ?

Might be so; but we know 1 thing for sure : They haven't hired any sensible marketing-strategist or PR-campaignist !!! (Then they would have given customers foretastes, pictures, specs etc. to awaken appetite instead of giving rise to scepticism ...)

Now I know why FACEBOOK got popular, because the old (black ?) school FORUMS often have inherent or inbuilt ever-so-well-meant "Guardianism" - a therapist who once helped ME stop this, would call it "Maternalism/Paternalism" - and it sips through the Forum-walls, whenever there's an ever-so-well-meant (but still condescending !) action taking place UNDERNEATH the sharing of experiences ... I came to this Forum asking for help, on an equal ground and I've been respectfully treated as a fellow-filmmaker by everyone in here, untill someone apparently needed to assert his selfesteem on my expense ! But many people has self-treated their lack of respect for others socially & psychologically . It's a private matter to start self-criticism and often caused by other peoples reaction to the "Bully" . However the persons "suffering from bullying" still is a compulsive dominant punk and must be stopped as soon as this "shines through" (Thank You Kubrick & King !) and take a Cold Turkey ... Facebook might be rude and crazy, yet FORUM-bullying is difficult to practice ! So how do I dare claim this reason-lapse ? I don't question that persons filmmaking experince, even when that person questions mine . Maybe EOSHD's moderators will behave like reduser.net = expell me too, for criticising a bad habbit Forums allow/get too used to, but in my 7 years of instructing actors I have always stopped this behaviour from myself or the crew IMMEDIATELY . A very sad vice . AND I agre 112 % that a camera does not make an Emperor - but remember it was another DANISH storyteller who wrote that story ... PS : Regarding buying expensive or advanced equipment (not assuming envy ! (More HAPPY icons, please)) ... *** Thanks for advicing, though I've heard that argument before ... It's not the equipment, it's the many stories I tell ! *** *** But then again, I as a PC-expert (and a Storyteller) can use my super-computer better than my standard-laptop ! ***

It's sad how we deep down want a saviour; either in the next WonderWoman/Scrooge McDuck or in the shape of the next PERFECT Graphics-card, the next PERFECT child or saddest of all : The dream-makers dream of the next PERFECT DREAM-MACHINE ... "We want to believe in the CHEAP RED (even RED knows to use this !) & the PROMISED BLACKMAGIC ! (Unintended dirty )"

He, He ! I didn't need to read it all to recognize the "Nigerian-style" And I can only agree and repeat my arguments : "Hmmm, If I was only mailing to potential buyer-groups, I do not want ANY speculation about my business ! They surely must know this would happen and COULD have provided some photographs or more specs ... OK to keep secretive, but this is an exaggeration and a VERY "shady" sign ! Also I checked jcs' link : http://petapixel.com/2013/02/25/craft-camera-a-diy-digital-camera-made-with-cardboard-and-arduino/ and it leads to an interesting web-address http://craft-camera.com/ ... much like http://www.craftcamera.com/" We want to believe in the CHEAP RED (even RED knows to use this !) & the PROMISED BLACKMAGIC ! (Unintended dirty )

Sir, I don't make Bergman-movies; I make TVDino-movies in "Bergman-style" - not Bergman-like, OK ? Explain Yourself, why I should reveal MY ideas of using slowmotion ? Sorry; a secret untill the movie ! Look Sir IronFilm, I thought You would be helpful, so I concentrated/pinned down, what was in my posts, (did You read them ?) but Your way of helping reminds me of last time I was mugged in broad daylight ... And I said Scarlet-MX OR Epic-MX ! I'm not some RED-boy, but excuse me for LOL at your suggestion of using a Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera ? I can only take You serious if You admit you're joking ! You don't know anything about me and I think YOU succeed best in removing any intention of getting to know anything about You - I have locations, actors, stunts, celebrities, musicians and more ready ... and not just because they know my father was a man Bergman invited to work for him, but I can't tell more . And as for marathon, I was born running ! So, big thanks for a lesson in "how not to behave arrogant !" Listen IronFilm, I have checked Your movies and I hope YOU someday will invent a great story to shoot; but my head is like Woody Allens, bursting with stories and they won't wait for clever over-preparations ! I know I can do it and I easily shrug Your Over-lording off, but do You usually try to take the enthusiasm from people and tell them to LEARN ALL MECHANICS OF A CAR before they drive ??? Angry ? Yes !

Hmmm, If I was only mailing to potential buyer-groups, I do not want ANY speculation about my business ! They surely must know this would happen and COULD have provided some photographs or more specs ... OK to keep secretive, but this is an exaggeration and a VERY "shady" sign ! Also I checked jcs' link : http://petapixel.com/2013/02/25/craft-camera-a-diy-digital-camera-made-with-cardboard-and-arduino/ and it leads to an interesting web-address http://craft-camera.com/ ... much like http://www.craftcamera.com/

Erh, is this a compliment or an insult ?!?

Thanks for participating, I will try to concentrate my previous posts further ... "What do you specifically NEED?" 1. A Camera able to make a "slow" Bergman-style >90 min. Cinema-movie in good-looking 4K 12 bit RAW, preferably with slow-motion-possibilities so I can perfect/add psychological colour-tones and lightings in postwork 2. Perhaps a used Scarlet MX (or EPIC MX if affordable) + spend on other stuff necessary" 3. And I have access to friends fine EF-lenses, so I "plan to use EF-mount" 4. But I'm open to suggestions about needed equipment ... "What features do you WANT?" Finest grain, true colour and high low-light performance ... Of course ? And hopefully the Camera can shoot Ratio of 2,4:1 or well above 16:9 ! "What are you doing/using NOW?" 2 Canon HFS-10; This type was used as a drop camera in "Crank" Fortunately, good locations & clever actors I'm blessed with, already ! Also I don't let GENERALS RULE my life ... ;-) BTW, I found the missing ...

You probably are ... I feel like Groucho Marx being hustled in "A day at the Races" by Chico & Harpo ... "Tootsi-frootsi-icecream !" Will have a look at it and here's some info about the transfer-formats to Sonys solution ! https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-broadcastcameras/resource.latest.bbsccms-assets-cat-cambroprod-latest-hxrifr5.shtml I cannot access the pictures as I'm not a member, but post them here, AaronChicago . It's OK .

Great ... Guess it is the 4 K RAW defined as 4096 x 2160 ? Or does it transfer 4K RAW as 3840 pixels × 2160 (UHD ratio 16:9) Then I have to post-process this into 2,4:1 = 4096 x 1708 ... IF I want a wide cinemaformat . It's not inherent anywhere ... As I understand it the NEX-FS700 does not need the HXR-IFR5 Interface Unit for transmitting 4K raw to Odyssey 7 Q/Q+, right ? There's no ND filters in Scarlet/Epic ? But I read they have "selectable" mount ? What about THEIR low light ? My mistake, I was referring to the Canon 1DX-II-suggestion from Jimmy and the cameras got mixed up in the postings ! However there seems to be some rolling shutter-problems in normal recording ... https://vimeo.com/40505132

Oh, boy I cannot edit my mistake above ! Do the Forum close editing after 1 hour ?!? Well, I mixed up a couple of Sonys ... And wrote about FS700 when Geoff CB talked about FS5 !

Sorry Geoff CB, I said I like the ergonomic of the FS5, but it is only 8 or 10 bit to external ... But where did You hear the FS5 will get Raw ? Now, THAT is interesting !!! However the question is if the FS700 will get internal 4K RAW ... And in 2,4 : 1 format ? Apparently You can upgrade it to 4K Raw, but only to external (and very expensive Sony-solution !) Still, the Odyssey 7 Q maybe is upgraded/upgradeable by now to record 4K RAW ? Correction : Seems I was crazy about VG900; not FS700 a I claimed ! They do share features however, like the NEX-name ...

What about moire on ? That's what first attracted me to A7S2 ("binning" the problems !) ... Ooops Jimmy : You talked about FS700, but I was adressing Your 1DX-II-suggestion ;-) I meant the 1DX-II You first mentioned ! And the 1DX-II cannot record in the format 2,4 : 1 .

Thanks AaronChicago . And I do know this FS700 very well ! With the super-slowmotion of butterflies on Youtube ! Just remembered it erroneously as NEX-700 ! I was crazy about that "monster" before I got "lowbit-blinded" by A7S2 ... I'll have another look at it, but I think there was some other sort of problem - was it the colourscheme of Sony ? Hmm

Psychologically, that is why I'm adressing all of You . I feel pulled around by RED, trying to find out why we Europeans must pay 10.000 €/EURO ! About 1500 $ more than Amercans pay ! But EU's import-tax is only 3 % (approx. 300 $ in all 10250 $) which only justify a price of 9.000 €/EURO ! Giving 1.000 £/EURO more FOR FREE to a wealthy company, is why they might lose a RAVEN-customer; I now consider following Mattias' advice and get a used Scarlet MX (or EPIC MX if affordable) + spend on other stuff necessary . Good locations & clever actors I'm blessed with, already ! Still, I'd like to hear recommendations/experiences with Scarlet-X or RED Epic and the "old" MX-sensor and what to watch out for . Especially what about Scarlets/Epics mounts (I plan to use EF), is there any LUTS and any PRO-RES (at what resolution) etc. PS : Jimmy, You edited & added some camera-propositions to Your post; I will check them out and come back . And yes, I would prefer to shoot in 4K 2,4:1 But when You write combo, is it a recorder or screen alone and cannot fit/sit on the camera ?

I did Oliver and they offer much more for the cash than others ... BUT chinese service or support is perhaps on the same level as the one BlackMagic has a rumour for - even BM-fanboys admits this !

Thanks Mattias ! I assume Scarlet has "better grain" than ONE, so the important thing is the MX-sensor ? But if I perhaps want slo-mo in 4K then what about the Epic MX ? Probably VERY expensive ... if at all possible to find in used condition ! Bottomline is, I'm making a feature movie > 90 min. to play in cinemas first, later for TV . Jimmy, I hear You, but when RED says the prices will go up on their homepage (and an email to an unspecified employee of an unspecified shop says he got an email from RED saying the prices would go up a certain amount I hold secret) they could be afraid of being ridiculed and therefore will stick to their words ! Cannot reveal that source, but cameras should get cheaper and this makes RED look Apple-ish !