Yeah, a closer look at keh and more ebay listings shows that I was either pricing a unit in crazy good condition or checking a listing posted by a crazy person. This is useful. Thank you! You've also been raving about the Tokina atx pro 28-80 f2.8. But then you warn that they're push-pull (or maybe one of them is) and that folks ought to know this before buying. Not to ask a dumb question but what's wrong with push-pull zoom? Doesn't that mean the lens has a fixed tube length? And wouldn't that make it easier to mount on a rig with matte box? I mean, twist zooms that twist out like push-Popsicles, how do you matte box those things? I've got to be missing something obvious here. Yeah, I'm not looking for rare or very expensive lenses here. Just a set of five or six fast basics good enough to shoot low budget fiction. Want to declick if possible and mount gear rings for follow focus. EDIT: Another question: the difference between the Nikon F1.2 / F.14 50mm lenses. For obvious reasons, the F1.2 is more expensive. But is it worth it? I mean, beyond the additional light gathering and slightly wider aperture, is there some major optical reason why I should choose the f1.2 over the f1.4? Or is it only a marginal improvement for a lot more money? Yet another question: When judging lenses for quality, what problems will kill a purchase for you? If there are slight scratches that "do not affect image quality", OK? What amount of "slight mold" if any is acceptable? Or how about "oil in the aperture blades?" A good discussion for this thread might be, "how does one judge used lens quality and what problems should disqualify a lens from purchase?"