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If you are really going for it wait until the d7200 comes out in few weeks.
And pay extra ~400$ that I can use to buy some wide prime?
Nah, not this time. I don't have a camera right now. I was supposed to buy it in the late Autumn. -
The d5300 does 1080@60p the d7100 only does 60i
Right, I'm aware of this. I also consider stills and in that area, D7100 offers some really cool features (better viewfinder, high speed sync with flashes), so I can live without 60p
Also, I found really great video shot with D7100. To be honest, it is really hard to find good footage from the camera that isn't so popular among filmmakers.
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The D5300 is a little cleaner in low light and in the shadows when dialled down flat.
Any reason you're not considering D750? Price?
Yeah, price definitely. Although it will be a nice upgrade path in the future, right?
Also, D7100 has support for high speed sync flash speed which I used frequently with my last camera.
Here's a handy guide for Nikon DSLRs video functions: http://cdn-4.nikon-cdn.com/en_INC/o/xFKjr_r3s2Xw1N_-UjTHd2PQf24/PDF/DSLR_Video_Features_Guide_en.pdf
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By the way, is there any difference in terms of video quality (only) between D5300 and D7100? I'm not talking about things like a headphone jack on D7100, just talking image quality.
After a lot of research, I decided to buy D7100, mostly because of the larger viewfinder for stills and durable body (moisture and dust resistance).
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Gateway to the Ganges is shot on A7S. And Matrox, you are exaggerating.
Am I?
0:25 https://vimeo.com/groups/263272/videos/118352912
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Nice footage, but as we have agreed before - on mid-shoots or close-ups A6000 image looks fine. In this video, there aren't any wide shoots, where moire and aliasing are killing the image and breaking the codec
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7100, just jumped in a car with the singer and a makeup artist/assistant and spent a day driving around Texas with a few cases of empty wine bottles. The opening shots were last and very late at night, in a tiny room with me outside the window on a crane, not really optimal! But great cameras for the $$ if you own Nikkors (really need aperture ring glass with these bodies though).
Thanks for sharing it with us! How do you like shooting with D7100? Is is comfortable? Can you change shutter and ISO during recording?
Has anyone done some test with the a6000 going to an external recorder? The only drawback atm for me not to buy that camera is the codec...if 300$ for the ninja star solves that problem I would be happy.
I have tried to find some test videos or comparisons concerning uncompressed recording, but I found none. I found only some posts on forums saying that it doesn't give you anything special - moire and aliasing are still there. Really sad.
Just made this. A little parody to Terrence Malick. haha. With Nikon D5300.
Wow, this is wonderful! Really great camera movements. Nice grading, too. How these files hold up during color correction? Do they break as easily as AVCHD?
On the topic of the various VFs: Even with a battery in the OVF of a D5300 with its pentamirror can't match a properly done EVF. Problem is I don't know if the A6000's EVF is going to be like the A7 (terrible live feed with aliasing) or like say, the XT-1 (incredibly sharp with great optics).
Well, I haven't seen A7 viewfinder, but I liked A6000 OLED EVF. I can only compare it to GH3, G6 and my A35 and it is nice for me. Big and detailed.
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So, lately I've noticed that Nikon D7100 experienced a price drop and if I'm going to sacrifice EVF in Sony, then I would choose D7100. For me, its just hard to even think that on D5300 I cannot see 100% frame coverage in OVF. This is 2015.
Do you have any experience with D7100 in terms of video? How does it compare to D5300? I know that D7100 lacks 1080@60p, but it doesn't bother me much. From what I saw on YouTube and Vimeo, image is quite similar.
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oh man, you didnt have a battery inside the d5300, without the battery the ovf turns dark and out of focus...
You mean: same fact that camera does not have a battery or the fact that when turned on, the OVF gets brighter? Because if you are talking about the later, I don't know how it could be physically possible. I asked my friend who has D3100 and she said that turning on camera doesn't do anything to OVF in terms of brightness.Pardon that I didn't believe you in the first place. I checked online and indeed, Nikons go dark when out of the battery. Sorry!
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Ok, so I have been comparing these two cameras (and A7) lately and the conclusion is simple:
- if you want to use camera ONLY for video, then buy D5300
- if you want to use camera for both stills and video, think more...
I have watched dozens of videos shot with D5300 and A6000 and Nikon has better image. Less moire, less aliasing, nice colors and decent dynamic range. For video use, I would totally buy D5300, but only if you're not concerned with video functionality, which is pretty limitied. You need to change aperture mode in Aperture priority mode, then go back to manual. You don't have any extra features, such as focus magnification, focus peaking, zebras etc.
Overall, D5300's video quality looks more "detailed" thanks to better codec, especially on wide scenes.
However, I'm looking for video and stills and that's why I can't buy D5300. Don't get me wrong - the image quality is great. But functionality is not. The OVF is terrible - small and dark. Its hard to tell if something is in focus or not. A6000's OLED EVF is WAY better. Brighter and bigger. Video functions on A6000 are cool and everything "just works". It is a really nice camera, but Sony failed to deliver decent video quality, unfortunately.
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One of the things many people don't mention is that with cheap DSLRs you get a pentamirror, not a pentaprism, for the OVF. The view is also smaller.
Yeah, and that's why D5300's viewfinder is really bad. As I mentioned before, 7D pentaprism viewfinder was really good. It worked well and i was photographing a wedding, so I spent many hours working with it.
My dream camera situation:
Nikon bring their D7200 with 4k in February along with announcements of firmware updates with their new 'I am advancing' programme for their high end cameras for 4k (and focus peaking please!)
http://nikonrumors.com/2015/01/10/nikon-cp-announcement-d7200-j5-p900-aw130-1958-p610-l840-s9900-s7000-and-s3700-cameras.aspx/
http://nikonrumors.com/2015/01/08/nikon-to-announce-a-new-firmware-download-program-on-january-19th-including-several-improvements-for-the-d750-d810-d800-d800e-d610-and-d600-cameras.aspx/
A long shot but not impossible!
D7200 would be a beast, but I believe that initial price point will be really high. And to be honest: 4K would be nice, but I would rather have a decent 1080p image than 4K with moire and aliasing
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I think it also lets you change aperture in live view, not shure though.
No, it does not (in manual mode). You can change aperture in live view only in Aperture Priority Mode.
Is sony a5100 in terms of video the same as a6000(focus peaking, zebra, flat profiles?)? I have to buy a new camera as well...I wold get the a6000 in a heartbeat if it had xavc codec. I do more video, but I pay more bill with stills so...I`ll just keep the 7D that has been good for me taking stills and just buy the a5100 just for video...
I haven't checked deeply A5100, but it looks like the movie features are exactly the same, although A5100 has XAVC-S.
So I played with D5300 and A6000 in the store. They didn't have A7, though.
D5300 didn't have a battery nor it was connected to the power. So, I only "played" with it in terms of ergonomics, handling and viewfinder. Overall its okay, the weight is fine. However, optical viewfinder is just terrible. Its really small and it is hard to tell the focus from it. I had D5300 in one hand and A6000 in second, and A6000's OLED EVF is way, way better. Brighter, bigger and sharper. So unfortunately, I won't buy a D5300. Stills quality is great, movies are better than on Sony A7/A6000, but I can't stand using that viewfinder. I worked last year with Canon 7D and OVF was better.
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Had to pick up the Nikon ED AF 80-200mm f/2.8D from the post office today... Wasn't at home last week (still 2014), celebrating new years in London and all, so I was quite excited to get my first piece of 2015 filmmaking gear when I saw the post office notification this weekend telling me to come pick it up next work day.
Wasn't expecting to pick up another little piece of Nikon gear as well...
Congratulations, buddy! Looking forward to seeing videos taken with your freshly purchased D5300
So rumors about D5500 were true: http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Product/dslr-cameras/D5500.html?cid=web-0115-dslr
Differences between D5500 and D5300 in terms of video at first glance:
- D5500 video iso range up to 25 600 (in D5300 max 12 800)
- flat image profile
- Selectable Audio Frequency Range "wide/voice" - although no word yet if we can adjust audio gain during video recording
- built-in interval for timelapse
- touchscreen + touchscreen AF
- "improved" AF in live view
- camera settings can be adjusted with phone/tablet (on D5300 you can just take photo and import it) - but still no video recording through Wi-Fi
- lighter
- better battery life
I also found handy guide for Nikon DSLRs describing video functions: http://cdn-4.nikon-cdn.com/en_INC/o/xFKjr_r3s2Xw1N_-UjTHd2PQf24/PDF/DSLR_Video_Features_Guide_en.pdf
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Do you mean the gh2 and g6 have better videoquality then the d5300? What makes you conclude that? Moire and aliasing are unfortunately still present on many camera's in the lower price range in 2015.
In my thougts I was pointing to A7 and A6000
Sorry man, you want to spend $1000 and have it all? Even spending $5000 is not going to get you that perfect camera either!
Given what you stated earlier in the post, I suggest keeping an eye on Samsung.
It looks like there aren't the perfect camera. Or, there is a perfect camera for YOU. That's the tricky part.
I watched dozens of videos about A6000, A7 and D5300 in the the last days. I started to like D5300 image, it looks better for me, especially in wide scenes with many details. I'm going to check D5300 in the shop, but also try once again A6000 and maybe A7 if I will find it
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There is a review here about the a7 II http://www.eoshd.com/2014/11/sony-a7-ii-review-5-axis-stabilisation-video-mode/
From the examples I have seen it's internal stabilization is not that good at all and it suffers from moire.
I think you are asking for a camera that doesn't exist if you only are spending 1100 dollar incl lens, you seem to want very good quality for video and photo with good photo and video functionality but what can you expect for that price? I"m not sure how the d5300 performs with photo's but from many samples I have seen it's a very good videocamera + it will fit in your budget.
I saw that, but there's no word about comparison to D5300, so that's why I'm asking Andrew
I wouldn't say that this price is low. Cheaper GH2 or G6 have better video quality, so that's why we should expect at least decent video quality. It is 2015 already. No time for moire and aliasing, really.
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new nikon rumored to be possibly announced on monday..
Right - I'm looking forward for CES. Hope we'll see something great.
The D5300 had the best image. A6000 a bit easier to use and mirrorless lens mount more adaptable.
Andrew, what about A7 Mark II? Is it better than D5300 in terms of video performance?
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Yes. Shallow depth of field shots work fine.
This is because the out of focus areas are very suitable for high compression without visual loss. Then most of the available video bitrate can be used for details in the areas of the image that are in focus.
Damn, such a shame that Sony failed with AVCHD in Sony A6000/A7/A7R. I would say that the story is quite similar to my A35 video quality. Everything except wide scenes is quite good.
So, right know I'm torn apart. I like Sony cameras in terms of ergonomics and controls. EVF is great, too. But this AVCHD mud is terrible. On the other hand, there is a Nikon D5300 with nice video quality, better codec, but with small OVF and almost zero video-related functions.
It looks like there aren't any ideal option for me right know, within that budget. I guess I should choose one of them, expand my skills, earn extra money and with more stable situation with my photo/video work buy appropriate gear later. But you know why it is so hard for me? Because money that I'm spending was not easy to earn and I really want to spend it wisely.
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The A6000 is very nice with any kind of close-up or medium shot, but it is disappointing for detailed wide-angle landscapes.
The AF is also incredible, and is the first AF I've used that I would consider using for video, though I need to experiment with it more.
Have you looked at this A6000 channel on Vimeo?
No, I haven't, thanks for it! I checked some videos and the conclusion is clear: wide scenes aren't sharp and have moire. Such a shame. The situation is almost identical as in my Sony SLT-A35. Medium or close-ups are OK, but once I try something wider, there aren't any detail.
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You can install the 40Mbps hack on the D5200 (64Mbps with beta), and with the Flaat11 profile you can get some impressive results.
Price difference is not that big, so I would rather take D5300. It is always better to work on fully stable software.
Sony's AVCHD cameras are great as long as the scenes are such that the codec holds up. With deep focus and lots of motion the footage breaks down to a level where no sharpening / post processing can help it.
So basically, can we say that on shallow depth of field scenes codec holds up because - except from main subject - everything else is out of focus and we just cannot see these artifacts, because, well, the image is out of focus?
To be honest, I would totally buy A7 or A6000 in a second, but these issues with codec aren't fun. Although, I should also keep in mind that the majority of my work right know are stills. But who knows what time will bring.
It is just too bad that Sony did not release a firmware update XAVC-S for A6000, that camera could produce so much better video with a better codec! There has been rumored over at sonyalpharumors that there might come an A7000 camera this year, but who knows...
Yeah, they probably abandoned A6000 and are working on A7000 or A6100 with XAVC-S. Shame they didn't update A6000.
My recommendation: try to give D5200 and D5300 some testing in a proper camera shop, see if you can figure out if the film mode workflow is something that could work for you.
Otherwise I think some of the Panasonic or other m4/3 cameras will be your best bet.
I will try D5300 when I get a chance. To be honest - I know what can I expect. Basic settings of shutter, aperture (that needs to be set before entering live view), ISO and white balance. Oh, and sound level before recording. So nothing fancy. Pretty simple things, even without focus peaking.
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Hi Matrox,
User mojo43 seems to be rather skilled with his Nikon d5200 which is almost the same camera as the d5300, only without 60p.
He posted this video which serves well if you want to get an idea of what the d5200/d5300 is capable of, image-wise.
only the intro was shot with an A7S.Thanks for sharing it! Indeed, this video is fantastic. Great cinematography and fantastic editing, especially in terms of sound design. I'll try to look on other videos shot with D5200.
I only said that because you where making assumptions on the codec's strength based on a youtube video, these videos can give you a totally wrong impression because of delivery bitrate or user experience.
Oh, I get it know, you're right
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You are looking at videos after youtube compressed them + you never know at what bitrate they where delivery to youtube so anything that looks like codec break up might be a cause of that. Never judge a camera based on a youtube or vimeo video, always try to get a hold of native footage straight from the card.
To be honest, when I'm checking camera image quality, I look on YouTube and Vimeo. Why? Because, in the end, viewers of my videos will see them on YT/Vimeo. I know that image is compressed and sometimes there isn't any info about camera settings used for recording, but with not-so-popular cameras such as A6000 there aren't many good videos to find.
I was trying to find interesting movies with D5300, but there aren't many right now. It's a weird thing, considering that D5300 is already one year on the market.
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So I watched many videos shot with Sony A6000, and there are the most interesting of them, in terms of showing image performance:
It looks that in scenes where subject is the main thing in focus and is shot with shallow depth of field, the sharpness is quite good. Weak codec is starting to show his bad side during wide shots, with deep depth of field, i.e. landscapes for example. The situation is quite similar to 5D Mark III, where image straight out of the camera is soft, but adding ~30% sharpness seems to resolve that issue. I'm wondering if adding sharpness to videos from A6000 will also result in better quality on these type of scenes, what do you think?
You can check whole playlist, which I have just made, with interesting A6000 videos: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHVUf6r981duZQQuWWN1xFpVzH5e0Q73M
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If a filmmaker needs advice on hardware on a forum he's entitled to it. All the great acting and stories count for naught if the wrong gear is chosen and it can't get the shot.
Also read Shane Hurlbut's opinion on why tests are important http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/09/the-importance-of-camera-tests/
The tricky part in this is finding the right balance
Andrew, you shot with Sony A7, Sony A6000 and D5300. Which camera do you like best?
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If you're pretty good at shooting stills (looks like you appreciate light) and just transitioning to motion pictures, I think the option of having 5-axis stabilization is actually a valuable tool.
I found it incredibly nice to be able to grab steady video shots while spontaneously holding the camera in awkward positions...and not have to fret about the video being distractingly shaky. (...) Not sure if you've considered that aspect of motion pictures, but it can be a great tool depending on how and what you're trying to shoot.
You're right that the way the 5-axis stabilization works can change my look on handheld shooting. I mean: it would be great to have it, this feature seems really unique and its implemented very well. Olympus did a great job.
I quickly looked at Olympus cameras and some EOSHD's reviews and it looks that the only reasonable choice is OM-D E-M1. I thought for a second about E-M5, but improvements made in E-M1 such as focus peaking, better codec, mic socket and crop mode are really important while talking about serious video production.
However, apart from great features, the price is way out of my budget. Sorry!
Not sure if you've considered that aspect of motion pictures, but it can be a great tool depending on how and what you're trying to shoot.
A lot of people go on and on ...and on and on... about sensor quality in forums such as these that focus almost exclusively on the technology --it's almost as if we forget around here that there are so many various aspects of motion picture production that go into making good video and it's not about having the greatest sensor. Not even close, in my opinion. As I'm sure you're well aware of, since you're making great photos with decent but not great consumer gear, a successful image is NOT always about the sensor IQ.
Thanks.
I agree with you that sensor IQ is only part of the story.There's more than that. There's the feeling. The way you work with the camera, the way you experience it.
For example, one great thing with my A35, which is a SLT camera, is EVF/LCD. Back then, three years ago, I couldn't even think that in traditional DSLRs AF in viewfinder mode is different than in live view (phase detection vs contrast detection). I know basic technical limiations behind it, but for someone who grew up with modern technology, it looks just obsolete. And the comfort when I'm shooting that the AF performance is always the same - no matter if I'm using EVF or LCD - is huge. I don't even think about it, "it just works".
And this is also why I'm skeptical about D5300 or some APS-C Canons. They can offer maybe better quality in terms of video, but you know - I really like the functionality of Sony A7/A6000. I haven't had a chance to try A7, but I played with A6000 twice and it was nice.
I checked some videos shot on D5300 (there aren't many right know) and to be honest, wow, video quality and low-light performance is really great for such a (relatively) cheap camera. But I'm really, really worried about functionality for video...
Talking about cinematography, I recently watched Inception for, I don't know, 5th or 6th time and analyzed camera work. And I discovered that sometimes, I just use shallow depth of field too much. Many scenes in films - not only in Nolan's Inception with DOP Wally Pfister - are shot with pretty "deep" depth of field. However, there are also scenes with shallow depth of field, typically while trying to show viewers' some details, try to make the scene more intimate. But we saw an enormous usage of shallow depth of field when 5DM2 came and it revolutionized the filmmaking industry (mainly indie).
...Aside from that, what's with your shop? Not allowing you to shoot in store with your own SD card? That's kind of obnoxious.
Hard to explain that. Probably I should look for a better store, not the generic "big" one with tons of electronics
Nikon DSLR with fully manual video?
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I just bought D7100 and it has "almost" fully manual mode. In M mode you can:
You can also change aperture during recording if you have lens that has manual aperture ring.