Jonesy Jones

Hard to deny the beautiful look of this camera. Better than any of the other Canon images imo.

Beautiful. 

First, why not just repost those frames here? Why send us to another forum to look at 4 single frames.

Second, why not post a video of those tests? That's where you're going to see the motion differences.

For me After Effects is just as critical as having an editor. I know BM has Fusion, but it's just not there. I also use Photoshop frequently, but I'm sure that could be replaced with something else.

With that said I'd love to see BM's suite catch up. I'd switch.

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

My musician friend once had an interesting idea. If 10 people pool resources every month (say just $100 each), they pay the 1st person in line ($1000) to take the month off to do nothing but record music. Then the next month the same again, but the 2nd person gets the pot. And so on. Then whatever revenue is made at the end of the year from all 10 musicians having something to show in terms of a record, they share that as well.

Interesting idea but doesn't really solve the main problem, which is that consumers no longer really buy any more. 

Between Pandora, Netflix, Amazon, and Redbox the habits of most have been set against long form content creators. 

Not to mention that if I were to buy, from where and what would I purchase? Blu ray? 4K? Soon HDR? Or should they buy digitally from Amazon, iTunes, Vudu? The amount of options paralyzes consumers.

I realize this is not an axiom, but it's mostly true. Unfortunately independent content creators need people to buy, which people just don't really do anymore. 

9 hours ago, kaylee said:

ive been looking for some d850 footage of humans in daylight... is there such a thing?

lol ill keep looking

EDIT: whoops this applies

 

The colors of that are just so good. Crazy good. Doesn't really get better than that good.

Yah. If they could improve RS and maybe add IBIS, I would snap this up faster than whatever. 

4 hours ago, Don Kotlos said:

But with 16 you have an immediate patina

Officially my new favorite term for the film look. Gonna have to work on getting some patina into my GH5 footage.

18 hours ago, Don Kotlos said:

Such a pity for D16. As they said, it was hard to make a profit without increasing their margins & price. I would love to see a D16 v2 even with the same sensor but in my opinion it would be nice to have:

- removable battery

- EVF, either build it or detachable. 

- Some compressed codec with backed in LUT support. 

- Half the size (XLR inputs can be a detachable module, no crank , V90 SD card support)

- Half the price  

Maybe they could sell their rights to a Chinese company ...

Such a wonderful sensor, look at this color:

 

Man I so badly want to have that camera. I have the GH5 and have to keep reminding myself that the look is only 1 part of the equation. The shortcomings of the DB and the virtues of the GH5 are impossible for me to ignore for telling stories. But I just really really really love that image. It's like an onion... makes me cry. Why oh why can't someone put that sensor in a dslr sized body. And, can a manufacturer return to CCD tech? Is a 4K CCD possible?

47 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

Thats not what happened but you are correct that the D16 isn't made any more.

Will you be going around to all the threads mentioning the fs700, c100, gh4, etc and say the same thing?

Is there a newer version of the DB?

31 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

btw, any one want to take a guess as to what camera that web series was shot with that I did sound for? ;-) 

The phrasing of that post is definitely several notches better than my typical gooder grammar skillz.

That said, those videos were hilarious. My 12 year old daughter loves to cook and she is going to love watching those. 

I can never guess the camera right. My first guess was going to be F3 just because I think you have one. But then I remembered you were doing sound. Then I thought maybe GH5, but only because that's a hot topic. Or C200. Or 70mil film. Meh. iPhone 8?

1 hour ago, mercer said:

I’ve been watching some C200 videos on Vimeo now that the camera has been out in the wild for a little while. So I figured I’d link to a few that look pretty good. Actually every one I’ve seen looks pretty good. Wish I had an extra 6 grand lying around. 

 

Here’s another with some lowlight footage...

 

This cam is slowly winning me over. Wish I had an extra 6 grand lying around. 

1 hour ago, rokkimort said:

GH5 produces videos, I don't like the footage I saw online, motion is not cinematic.

I have just sold the Blackmagic Micro, yes it's nice, but I want to have 4k, so f3 also does not work for me.

 

Right now it's down to Ursa Mini Pro vs Red Scarlet MX. If anyone has opinions about these cams – feel free to let me know. 

 

Thanks.

 

I think you're going to hate mx sensor. BM is not perfect either. Having used both I'd go with BM. 

Plenty others would say different. 

As much as I love BM and hate Canon the C200 is attractive if put in the right perspective. Still flawed though and there's no perfect cam. 

42 minutes ago, Jose Bonet said:

Hi I have the paid full version of Resolve 14, but I'm a newbie, how does one go about composing a time lapse in Davinci Resolve?..can this be done?..if yes...is this explained in the Manual? what page? I have a Gh5 and I'm thinking of using the Syrp  mini for moving time lapse..but that doesn't allow the GH5 to make the internal Time Lapse movie so I have to do that somewhere else..i was thinking with Davinci Resolve?...

Page 185.

In future you can download the pdf manual and do a word search. I searched for image sequence, Which is what I believe you'll need.

38 minutes ago, kaylee said:

a p p l, which drove me insane

i feel you. i swear my creative mind is functioning again, after being paralyzed by stress for a variety of reasons for years, after being away from my job for just a few months – its scary how much better im feeling lol*

*this is not unique to me even ppl with excellent mental health go crazy after working there for 3 years or so

Which Apple Store did you work at? I worked at the one in Otay Ranch down in SD for about a year and a half.

Also, which mountain town are your folks in, if that's not too straightforward?

39 minutes ago, tugela said:

Why would anyone want film to look flawed in the way it was in the early days due to imprecise mechanical effects? That has nothing to do with quality and is just an affection to some sort of antique appearance. Sort of like some furniture is deliberately "distressed" to make it look antique or rustic even though it is not.

 My understanding of what JCS is saying is that all film, even modern, is not as precise as digital. In other words, film is mechanical, not electronic, and therefore there are some extremely subtle variances to the way it records.  These variances could be both temporal and positional. Unlike digital which will be perfect.  I don't think we're talking about massive skipping and stuttering, I think we're talking about nearly imperceptible flaws that make a film feel alive the way digital, video, often does not. 

3 minutes ago, jcs said:

Jitter also applies to positional variance... Temporal jitter makes it clear, and is something we can measure or create in post WRT to the idea of motion cadence.

 Good idea. That's one more thing for me to experiment with. 

 But also begs the question as to why some cameras, take black magic for instance, have such a good feel of motion, when it's  very doubtful that they are playing with temporal values in camera. 

One more question, should we all be shooting at 24P and distributing at 23.98?

50 minutes ago, jcs said:

Likewise, if temporal jitter is pleasing, why aren't there post tools which specifically address this?

This is exactly what I was wondering. Might be a simple expression  for After Effects like wiggle with very low values. I'm going to experiment. 

Kaylee, this is a great idea and something that I have been toying with too. As far as selling you or your idea, I don't know that I can offer much help. I am personally at the point where I no longer care who watches or buys. Doing is enough for me. 

With that said, I support whatever you make and whatever length it ends up. Please keep us all up to date. 

So in another thread about the newly released EVA1 footage, discussion came up about it's "motion", in that it doesn't have very cinematic motion. First impressions suggest that it has great color, but poor motion. Which led me to start wondering, what specific tech affects motion?

Long GOP vs All-I. My understanding would be that this probably affects motion as much as anything. However, to my knowledge, the EVA1 is shooting ALL-I. 

Secondly, rolling shutter. I have no idea on the rolling shutter specs for EVA1, but to my knowledge the GH5 is somewhere around 15ms, and I can't imagine the EVA1 would be worse. I didn't notice any poor rs problems in any of the footage. 

The original BMCC cam for instance, has ALL-I prores and I believe even worse (than GH5) rs, but is popularly described as having very cinematic motion cadence. 

So what else is there? How can we more clearly put our finger on the mystique of motion tech?

EDIT: I failed to mention fps as another factor. Seems so obvious it skipped my mind. Let's assume 24 or 25 fps. 

27 minutes ago, Zak Forsman said:

Here is Radio 88 in 4k on vimeo.

 

I've been in a really bad internet connection situation for while and just now this morning was able to watch Radio 88 for the first time. This piece rocked, on many levels. Never once did I think the footage looked bad or had bad motion or whatever.

I would like to see more daylight pieces. The desert one, was really poorly done. The desert is kinda my thing. I wish I had a go at the EVA1 in el desierto.

I really am looking forward to seeing this camera in the hands of many others. Also, to seeing some raw footage. 

1 hour ago, AaronChicago said:

I was pressed for time so I didn't get to do an A/B but here is a shot with the DDFX 2 on the Sigma Cine 50-100.

 

Wow. Which camera is that?

2 minutes ago, jonpais said:

@Jonesy Jones Bizarrely, over at the Duclos Lenses website, under tech specs for the 19mm T2.6, the max aperture is still listed as T2.2. My best guess is that they’d intended to release a faster lens but for whatever reason, couldn’t. The 19mm is relatively recent, so I wouldn’t count on a second version. For those not familiar with the Veydras, all but the 12mm and 16mm can cover an APS-C sensor. In other news, Ron Avery, designer of the Veydras, along with Matthew Duclos, has founded the website, LensFinder.com, a marketplace for vintage and pre-owned lenses. Many of the offerings there cost more than my last car.

I'm guessing they had to do T2.6 to cover aps-c.

22 minutes ago, jonpais said:

If you’d asked me the very same question only a few years ago, I’d have unhesitatingly recommended getting a speed booster and some APS-C or full frame glass. More recently, and I’d have suggested the fastest native primes you could afford. Now, I believe the Veydra Mini Primes are the best long term investment. Not that micro 4/3 is going anywhere, but the Veydras have economical user switchable mounts (Fuji X, Sony E, u4/3 and C mounts) that can be changed in minutes.

This is a great suggestion Jon. 

However, the one Veydra that I'd be interested in is the 19mm. On their site it is listed as a T2.6, the only lens that slow in their line-up. However, the most recent news update is that their "new" 19mm T2.2 is on it's way. However, that (most recent) post was from April......... 2016. So, what has happened since then? And why have they stopped posting? Did the 19 2.2 ever see daylight? 

Do you know of any updates?

33 minutes ago, Mastermind said:

I see they also have a Sigma 30 1.4 for MFT... would you recommend that over the FF one speedboosted? 

Personally I'd suggest a speed boosted one. That one lens with speed booster and additionally non speed boosted adapter and using ETC, which I just learned about today, could give you a 38mm, 54mm, 60mm, and 84mm lens, with the worst aperture being 1.4. 

Its an aps-c lens to my knowledge. Not full frame. 

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

Doesn't work for me.

I'm arguing with the developer of the forum software as we speak...

Well, hopefully the functionality issues get sorted because the look and feel of the new design is crackin'.

Btw, is there a way to link to a specific comment? Not just page 3 of such and such thread, but where the browser automatically scrolls to the intended comment.