Husah

Then extra DR in the shadows becomes useful no? At 14+ stops it's right up there with the Alexa (for stills) and its awesome to work with in post. Also its not bad for video either i get pretty good results with it.

There are hundreds of studio shots on imaging-resources and really I don't see any advantage unless a shot is underexposed by a lot (more than 3 stops) and someone is pulling the shadows.. Even then only if shooting at lower ISOs. 

This extra DR (only in shadows) isn't there in video. That's only for stills when shooting raw and and at base ISO

I've never seen anything from Sony saying that it does full sensor readout for anything other than 4K.  Where did you see that?  If it does full sensor readout in 1080p, then I am surprised that I saw aliasing on a video shot with the A7S in 1080p.

 

Michael

It does full sensor readout at then properly downsamples it to 1080P. This was all covered extensively at NAB by newshooters,com in interviews with Sony and other reviews. 

There is no way in hell D810 will match A7s video quality. I would be surprised if it can even match RX100 III (or GH3) 

We have to keep in mind that the Sony doesn't record 4K either, unless you strap a huge, bulky $2000 external recorder (Shogun) to it.  It will be interesting to see how the d810 compares at 1080p.  The d810 does have the Expeed 4 processor, which is used in the 7000 series that has pretty decent video, although not at the level of the GH4 obviously.

 

Michael

D810 is not going to match A7s for video quality, even in 1080P, as A7s does full sensor readout. D810 (like other DSLRs) will skip pixels for video 

The data behind Derek Weston's post.  Like he said, if you're shooting people the 5Ds are fine.  But if you want to extract every last piece of usable DR then Nikons deliver.  If anyone on this forum thinks Nikon full-frame cameras are bad cameras because they stink at video they are very mistaken ;)

 

http://home.comcast.net/~NikonD70/Charts/PDR_Landscape_scatter.htm

Sony sensors have  low read noise and usually score very high DR at base ISO on dxomark.  Most of it this "DR" is in shadow and only matter if someone has  underexposed a shot (by three or more stops)  while shooting at base ISO and needs to lift the image. 

There is no practical real difference in real life images when shot with either Canon or Sony/Nikon. 

In every day regular usage there is no advantage to Nikon/Sony over Canon as far these "DR" numerical graphs would leave some to believe.  There are just numbers that in actual practice might be irrelevant (unless someone is constantly underexposing  shots by 3 stops at base ISO, in which case they need to find a new day job). 

Too many pixels to do full sensor readout at 30 fps.  The video camera only needs 12 MP for 4K like A7s.  It's a conflict between still and video requirment. 

There will always be cameras that target still photographers i(50MP in a couple of years, if not next year). 

You can't expect Nikom to give up still customers. 

Larger sensor is going to have more problem with rolling shutter. The solution should be develop sensors with global shutter.  Sacrifice some of the sensitivity in exchange for solving this problem.  

Well first I mentioned 4K (look at the date of the article), then immediately after they proclaim 4K.

 

Then I mention XAVC-S (again look at the date stamp), then 3 hours later up pops the same info on there without credit.

 

Next I may mention BS-detection mode and XABCXYZ codec and see if it ends up on any other sites too.

A lot of people feed stuff to SAR. He probably doesn't even realize that some of the stuff he is being fed comes from someone copying it from your site.

He usually always credits the sites  

If you like a locked system where Apple dictate to you what you can use, then sure...

 

If you like to customise your phone, delete apps you never use, have live wallpapers, have a file structure when you plug your phone into your computer, share things with more than just email/facebook/twitter, change keyboards, use any audio software you want (not just itunes) etc etc etc

 

IOS doesn't even have a file system. No directories. See my last video linked above, the last 5 minutes, 

Android is not as good as iOS anyway. I can't think of one thing it does better that I really need on my smartphone.

Doesn't look like you have any clue about Android. It does tons of things better than IOS.  It's far more customizable, flexible, and powerful

IOS 7 actually is a copy of Android. 

http://youtu.be/KKyJjh37v6Q

The rip off is the the other way .. 

There is will be competition around the same time (NAB  2014) I am betting Canon and Sony would be showing their new FF cameras. Sony for sure will be showing this as 4K video camera with FF sensor

More samples from RX10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QLFHK2U0w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na0G4TDPWqg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrrIrYsrMWU

Hard to decide this early but we will find out, hopefully before the hit the shelves. Once again Sony didn't get the camera into the hands of any filmmakers or video orientated bloggers!!

Did you ask for the cameras? If you have contact with Sony UK and  if you tell them that you have a website, I am sure they would have provided it. 

If they are doing on the new full frame sensors the same as on the RX10's new 1" sensor then video is going to be amazing.

 

Highly doubt it. Bigger the sensor (and pixels) harder it is to read data faster from the sensor. I don't know why that is, but maybe because bigger pixels have more data? Also there are more megapixels on full-frame cameras.

What's the difference between SONY's FZ and E mounts?

Aside from 18mm flange distance (common to both mounts), E-mount and FZ mount don't have any similarity.  

FZ mount 

E-mount 

Panasonic was first cheap large sensor video camera with AF100, but then they went out of radar. I blame it on M4/3 vs super 35mm confusion in Panasonic rank. The bigger  super 35mm sensor isn't compatible with 4/3, so there was probably some confusion/indecision. 

Now finally it appears they gave up the idea of 4/3 for professional video cameras and are switching to super 35mm with probably PL mount or something. 

Meanwhile by the  next october 2014 when the camera is shipping, C300 would be 3 years old. F5/F55 would be 2 years old. Arri Amira would be a new kid in the block, 6 months old.  I doubt Panasonic is getting that market back easy. 

http://community.sony.com/t5/F5-F55/NEW-Firmware-timeline-charts-and-new-information-September-12th/m-p/181017#U181017m

A lot of new stuff added (included QXD card support, B4 mount 2/3" adapters, Center Scan Mode, Interval recording, etc) and more to come

Shiping by the end of this month?

http://www.convergent-design.com/Products/Odyssey7Q/Sony.aspx

 2K240SampleFrame.zip   1.4M       2KRAW240Sequnce.zip          684M       4KProRes422.zip   158M       4KSampleFrame.zip   30M         

So looks like these would be options provided by OdysseyQ with FS700

4K ProRes 60 fps 10-bit 422

2K up to 240 fps  raw

1080P up to 60 fps ProRes 444 12 bit and 422 10-bit (by using 4K raw coming out of the camera as the source)

edit: hopefully fast AF

I wondered when this was going to happen.

 

Very soon if SAR is right. September?

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-breakthrough-on-rumor-front-plenty-of-new-sony-e-mount-cameras-to-come-soon-and-more-e-and-a-mount-info/

I don't believe this is different camera. It's just FS700 with 4K firmware/hardware upgrade already done in factory. They just gave it "R" designation so that if someone is buying a new FS700 they would know "R" stocks are already upgraded to 4K. 

See this 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2013/07/25/box-office-catch-up-after-earth-survives-iron-man-3-doubles-iron-man-2/

After Earth made 175 million overseas and $59 million domestic. That's $235 million worldwide. The production cost was only $130 million, so After Earth already made profit. Add future DVD sales and it's like 150 million net profit. 

Panasonic were so influenced by Sony that they even copied the naming system (i,e Nexx7). Where is GX2, GX3 --- GX6? Sony inherited the naming system from Minolta where 7 series were higher end enthusiast and 5 series were lower specs than 7 Series.  And Minolta also had 9 for professional cameras, i.e Minolta Maxxum 9000 (same system that Sony inherited, A900, A99, etc). 

Sony bought Minolta, but I can't see why Panasonic would choose to call it 7, unless they have just decided that they are going to follow the same Minolta naming system.