Andrew Reid

[quote name='jeffdeponte' timestamp='1352186232' post='21117'] Blarp! [/quote] Especially for jeffdeponte... [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/9186/blackmagic-cinema-camera-review"]http://www.eoshd.com...a-camera-review[/url]

Ah yes one of these! I had a whole day comparing the BMCC to GH3 today and the results are extremely interesting. More on this soon. [img]http://www.eoshd.com/comments/uploads/inline/1/50a2db75be6f9_gh3.jpg[/img]

[media]http://vimeo.com/53340005[/media] [i]A version of this review will appear in the UK edition of Mac User magazine. Check out the [url="http://subscribe.macuser.co.uk"]subscription here[/url][/i] [i]This review is based on the final retail model (not a pre-production camera or loan unit). I pre-ordered from CVP in London back in April. The camera is [url="http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/index.php?t=product/blackmagic_cinema_camera"]currently £2148[/url] at CVP but of course availability is still[/i] unfortunately very [i]limited indeed.[/i] The Blackmagic Cinema Camera is the most Apple-like camera I have ever used, in fact the only camera. Like the iPhone it stands out on the market as better than the mass market clones, at least on paper. Is it worth the wait?

It's disappointing. Moire, aliasing, limited lens options, sensor isn't exactly much different to the competition in terms of image quality... So... What is the point?

Can confirm that the picture profiles have been drastically changed since Photokina. No High Key, Retro, or anything remotely interesting like that. They have gone all 'Canon' in the picture profile department.

They just don't know. It would be daft of Grant to come out and say the MFT version will ship at 7pm on 7th January 2013 when they're still working through the technicalities of a supplier issue. You are completely 100% right to be disappointed though. It is the name-calling that lets people down and it is really unfair on a company who is virtually ALONE on the market in trying to cater to us.

Jeff is now banned.

I think the behaviour on other forums (not this one) has been a disgrace. Blackmagic are being professional over this, why can't their customers show the same standards? They are letting themselves down with this kind of spoilt behaviour. There's no way a lot of the behaviour we see on forums like Personal-View, DVX, etc. would be tolerated in real life. At the same time for the last few months I as well have felt the exact same frustration at the delays and the unknowns. Blackmagic are in the same boat as us on that one. It isn't their fault at all. For the BMCC 2 they should source their sensors from Aptina.

Thanks for that, I was almost in London this weekend too. But had to cancel my trip. ARGHHHHHH

Seems more horizontal at the edges than in the middle.

[media]http://vimeo.com/53127381[/media] Filmmaker Andrew Wonder (Undercity) has had some interesting modifications done to his Iscorama. Not a cheap modification but re-housed as a cinema lens by Van Diemen and optimised for closer focus. The test above is shot on the 5D Mark III and there's more from Andrew below, on his 'Wonderscope' anamorphic.

I'm editing my raw footage and totally up to speed with it now. First blog post not far off

Same sensor just different company bonding the glass.

Wait and see for now, until final firmware.

Don't forget this isn't a final review at all. Waiting for final firmware and more experience with the camera. One of the Slashcam guys was at the shoot and he's chart tested the GH3 vs GH2. He said the GH3 had a little bit more. I believe him, he knows his stuff. They are based in Berlin and I plan to meet up again. I have zero interest in shooting at 176Mbit to gain an almost in-perceivable difference over 80Mbit. Leave that to the personal-view guys... It got boring (not to mention confusing) pretty fast. The GH1 hack was great since it patched up a broken codec. The GH2 hack began well but now it is all about fiddling and fluffing around the edges. No significant new progress. Out of the box codec is far more important. It isn't hacked. It is designed. I can't have a shot curtailed during a shoot because of an unreliable codec hack. Wait and see the final camera. Also the HDMI may not at the moment be better in terms of image quality than an already superb internal codec but it is THE SAME. Which is more than you can say for the GH2's output, which was worse than the internal! Uncompressed HDMI if you want ProRes workflow straight off the bat is useful for some. Yep, you are - sorry! As for better ergonomics these are as important for video as they are for stills. [*]1080/60p at 50Mbit for slow-mo, no need to drop to 720p [*]Smoother gradation [*]Less banding [*]Better colour and no yellowish / greenish cast to deep reds and oranges [*]Weather proof for wet shooting days [*]Massively improved LCD and EVF for video [*]Huge battery (and battery grip) [*]72Mbit ALL-I is more reliable than hacked GH2 and no need to hack / put up with annoying Russian guy [*]24/25p and no progressive segmented frame nonsense or interlaced [*]Tougher lens mount for anamorphic and heavy lenses

You don't necessarily need an all-in-one, but look at the benefits the video mode on the GH3 has given the stills side. Taking out of the mirror and putting a video capable live view system in, gave us an EVF for stills and an adaptable lens mount for legacy glass. Both things I really miss on my 5D Mark III. The extra processing power to support good video gives you faster AF, more responsive menus and live view, faster, electronic shutter, better noise reduction on JPEGs, faster raw write times, faster SD cards, 10fps continuous shooting on the Sony NEX 5N for $500, list goes on... The GH2 was very underrated as a stills camera. Don't you guys let same fate befall the GH3. It doesn't deserve it!

[quote name='zaz' timestamp='1352100898' post='21041'] Personally, I think I will skip the GH3, and put that 1300 towards storage and ssd's for a BMCC. It's where we're all heading anyways right? I'm realizing now that the GH3 was just an uneccesary step between here and there. [/quote] $1300 towards storage for BMCC? How about $13,000? :) It is a damned nice camera though.

On the moire issues I think some perspective is required. Some of the pixel-obsession on forums like Personal-View is so over the top it is ridiculous. These guys never shoot anything worthwhile just obsess over small things. Glad the discussion here is far more level-headed. There's an approximate 20 point list of benefits over the previous model overall. Many pros and amateurs alike happily shoot with the 7D, 60D, T2i, NEX 5N, NEX 7 and those cameras have FAR MORE moire than the GH3 gave me on that shoot. Perspective!!

This report is based on a pre-production model. The GH3 is Panasonic's most far-reaching attempt yet to take on Canon's DSLR-market domination. So popular were Canon's DSLRs for video that they were able to found the entire Cinema EOS business on the back off it (and in doing so, arguably they turned their back on the enthusiast DSLR video market). But there was always a dark horse and that camera was the Panasonic GH2, with a better image and feature-set than any APS-C Canon DSLR for video. Now the dark horse has come of age but question marks remain. Is the mass market educated enough to choose more discerningly when it comes to DSLRs and DSLMs? And is the GH3 good enough?

This camera doesn't seem built from scratch rather a very mild update, hence it is not an AF200.

Yep, can't win. So I am shutting up about it and getting on with using the camera.

Absolutely and I am glad you drew it to my attention. I've replied on that forum. It is incredible how one crazy conspiracy guy with an axe to grind under an anonymous name can drag one down. CVP's explanation by the way, is 100% honest.

[quote name='kitchentable' timestamp='1351804187' post='20814'] I haven't heard from CVP since the 15th. August email. Mind you, other than telling me what they got up to on their holidays I don't think there's been that much to definitively update me on. I have no idea where I am on their list and until they are getting them through in even remotely sensible quantities its a bit moot unless you are in the first 5. They do seem to have been drawn into having to address your specific order issue on the Blackmagic forum though Andrew ! [url="http://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1288&start=1010"]http://forum.blackma...1288&start=1010[/url] I think a few people on there need to relax and accept its only a camera. [/quote] Re: that link - Really sad to see anyone resent myself getting the camera. That guy forgets I actually paid money for mine like everyone else (it is not a beta test program freebie) and because I believed in the camera immediately as it was being announced at NAB I put down my deposit and ordered it at CVP in a flash. I've waited like everyone else. There's nothing unfair about me getting my camera finally after all this time. Firstly, CVP just couldn't update everyone (and that includes me) on the shipping, because Blackmagic wasn't providing CVP with any info... At all. Blackmagic didn't have the info themselves. It was an engineering issue. Not even the engineers knew when the fix would be done, let alone when the factory could ramp up in significant quantities. So how is the dealer supposed to know!? I think people need to understand this and cut them some slack. I myself many times have felt frustrated at the lack of a camera, and beta testers getting theirs first just rubs salt into the wound so I can completely understand why people might be upset that CVP's first unit went to me but the reasons for that are honest and in the open. I ordered it first at CVP. That isn't me being big headed or rubbing salt in anyone's wound. It is simply stating the fact. Either way, CVP can't win can they? Give 1 camera to anyone, and 100 miss out. What needs to happen is for large shipments to be sent... But because of the engineering related issues, this isn't yet happening. There's no conspiracies. To be honest it really sucks to have those conspiracies aired. If you want to hurt EOSHD, go head with the conspiracies.

I think it is disgusting you are turning this into an anti-CVP / anti-EOSHD rant Simco123. You don't have any evidence for your accusations either. Consider yourself banned from this forum. You earned it.

Nothing fishy at all as it turns out. When they called, they explained that I was number 1 on the list in terms of time of order. A glitch at the checkout meant the order wasn't fully secured and deposit paid until a bit later. Of course if anyone is resentful of me getting the camera, feel free to seek your coverage and Blackmagic book elsewhere.