Andrew - EOSHD

Slashcam have chart tested the A7S internal recording modes and the results for the regular frame rates 24-30p are incredibly positive. However it seems that in 60p the camera cannot utilise the full pixel readout of the sensor, which results in a worse image with moire and aliasing. You can read my take on this below or head over to Slashcam to read the original piece (Google translated) Read the full article here

  Same for me ;)

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>All footage by Ed Davis on the EOSHD forum I'm surprised at how nice the quality is from APS-C mode on the A7S. I expected it to be a lot softer! There's no signs of significant moire or aliasing either. The smaller window from the sensor allows the shutter to expose the whole pixel readout more quickly than in full frame 12MP mode, so less jello for us. Read the full article here

GAS?

Ed - a quick question for you... is the fine noise grain in the footage from the camera or was it added in post?

Ed Again a really nice, useful test.   I am surprised at the quality of the APS-C mode. I had expected to see some moire or aliasing but it's very smooth looking!   Good about the rolling shutter - again this is front page news and I will post about it.   Should be getting my A7S this week... FINALLY!  :rolleyes:     For me the APS-C crop mode looks better on the A7S than the A6000. Codec looks more robust especially for 60p, it's 50Mbit vs 24/28. Low light performance will still be better in the crop mode and so will dynamic range because it isn't pixel binning sensor side.   With the A7S we have got our 'full frame GH2' we always wanted, with a bit of 7D Mark II thrown in as part of the same deal.   Won't stop people moaning but I am loving it personally  :wub:   Wow that was a girly smilie!!

I'd try this in Premiere before writing it off as unusable!  

Go and aim your rudeness at someone who can 1 - tolerate it and 2 - answer your question. I am doing neither!

Does it look like 60p!?

  I returned it for the stills ergonomics. Metering with adapted lenses is a nightmare. I just wanted accurate exposure in A, S and P mode, or decent live view and it wasn't giving me it. I had to enter the lens details manually in a database and choose the lens via CPU lens settings deep in the menus. Crap! Also prefer the way the D600 is laid out as a stills camera. Not a big fan of the positioning of the ISO button or lack of articulating screen on either camera but they are nice to look at. D600 with the 80-200mm F2.8 AFd lens is a beauty. But Canon have the better button layout.

  I am aware of that thanks!! That's why you should try and shoot raw on the 5D3 instead. It is some of the best HD you can get.   Yes full pixel readout is reason A7S has longer rolling shutter scan. More data to read out. It isn't that it is a slower sensor, far from it.   But the comparison is 100% relevant.   One takes 25ms, one takes 30ms. Is that hard to appreciate!?

This is entirely your fault fuzzy, see the forum chaos you have caused!

No need to say it twice ;)   Anyway... So the A7S....   :)

Nope.   Clearly the internet is a social nightmare of misunderstandings :)

  There's nought ridiculous about pointing out the facts Anthony. Have fun.

There's a time for sarcasm and a place. This is neither the time, nor does it work on the internet anyway :) :)

The price is very similar to DigitalRev -20% http://www.digitalrev.com/product/sony-alpha-a7s-body/MTEwMzQwNQ_A_A   Hong Kong model. PAL / NTSC switchable but a total tax dodge!   Looks legit though.

  Except you know what you are saying is wrong. 5ms worse rolling shutter than the 5D Mark II does not mean you "can't use it for anything"   The creative possibilities of this camera are being put before your very eyes in a very skilful way and all you can do is moan. It's sad!

">Now I See" by Philip Bloom shot on the Sony A7SRead the full article here

Though the Shogun has not yet been released you can still obtain one of the best HD signals available on the market from the GH4's HDMI port. This is 10bit 4:2:2 and oversampled internally from 4K, a bit like on the Sony FS700 but for only $1699. The video above shows how to setup the camera for recording 10bit 1080p onto the Atomos Blade. In the next few days I should receive my Atomos Ninja which is a tiny low-profile recorder with no screen, for when you want to use the screen on the camera but benefit from the higher image quality of 10bit 4:2:2. Check EOSHD soon for a review of that.Read the full article here

It has already been used commercially by people I know. So you're wrong Leica50.

I'd rather take ProRes home from my Shogun than MJPEG from my 1D C internally so the internal 4K recording is of no advantage to me.   That's just me :) I cannot use the LCD on the 1D C for focus or exposure in 4K, it needs a monitor with peaking, zoom, zebra etc. So does the A7S yet I have 4K over that HDMI. Huge advantage in my book!   I can understand totally the need to justify a purchase that costs in the region of $12,000 and delivers such a lovely image but when it comes to functionality and the A7S comparison I'm only pointing out the facts!

Yes good point Bob.

"Better" is a kind of catch-all term though isn't it... and "better" should be on a needs-tested basis.   Speed Booster is very good at giving you those 'extra lenses' so you're right on that count. However with 4K you can have APS-C simply by cropping and you don't need Speed Booster to get the full frame look obviously, so for me that is a superior solution.   "Better" overall? Not when it comes to wides.   Say you have a wide-ish lens, aka 35mm. On Micro Four Thirds that isn't wide obviously. On Speed Booster or 1.5x crop Super 35mm it isn't wide either. Only on full frame is 35mm considered as a 'wide' of view.   Say you have a 35mm F1.4 and a 35mm F1.2. Barely any difference in brightness to be honest, but the overall look is massively different on the F1.2 - bokeh looks totally different at that aperture. Only full frame will give you a 35mm F1.2 wide angle. I have one here - a Voigtlander 35mm F1.2. It is like the Nokton 17.5mm F0.95 but full frame. The look is just spellbinding.   So for wide angle shots it gives you that extra look... of very fast apertures at longer focal lengths yet still wide! 12mm F2 on the GH4 or a 24mm F1.4 on Speed Booster / GH4 at 1.5x crop looks very different.   Essentially each camera has to be taken on overall merit and not on sensor size.   The GH4 has strengths over the A7S and visa versa.   For me it all comes down to the lenses. There are more full frame ones than there are for crop sensors and if you want to use them as intended then you need that sensor size.   In some areas they cancel each other out. If for example you need the more manageable focus at F1.4 then a small sensor will give you that. But then it is horses for courses because if low light is a priority and that is your reason for shooting F1.4 then a small sensor might not give you the low light performance of a larger one, like in the A7S even when stopped down to F5.6.