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By the way, about the notion "more thongs mean more weight in talking", there are some opposite examples. Roger Deakins only owns some photography cameras, he does not own any high end cinema cameras, like Alexa he uses on site. Yet when he talks, people listen. He is a naked ass, yeh, a naked bad ass.

The notion of "24p is larger than life" is actually from later times to justify the importance of 24p when 30p and 60p are easier and easier to do. Let's look at the beginning of the movie industry, all of the earliest short movies shot in late 19th century were trying hard to record the real world as close as possible. Although the industry later developed and differentiated into different categories, the term cinema means movies including all of the subcategories. Let us investigate documentaries a little more to see if this "24p is larger than life" notion can hold. Using "CitizenFour" as an example, CitizenFour won the Oscar Award for best documentary, so it is something to be taken seriously. The DP who shot CitizenFour has some thongs in his belt. It was shot with an FS100, a S35 camera, which can do 1080p 24p, 30p, and 60p. I cannot find the frame rate of CitizenFour online, but I am sure that this is not 60p, very possibly not 30p neither, 24p to my opinion. OK. If 24p generates a larger-than-life story, i.e., a drama or un real story, yet 60p is for real time show, why did the DP of CitizenFour chose 24p, or at a very low possibility 30p, but not 60p? Did he want to dramatize the story and convey to the audience that this is not a real story, but just a fantasy? Or did he want the audience know that this is a real story? IMHO, I think that the DP wanted this to be as real as possible, and that is why this documentary is so impactful and won the Oscar, yet he very possibly used 24p. Many documentaries were shot at 24p, I am sure that these DPs want their documentaries to be as real stories as possible, and they have some pants and thongs, they are not naked asses for sure. LOL.

Which one is more fundamental to human eyes as cinematic, 24p or 25p? If 24p is more fundamental, EU people most of time watch 25p, and they are not watching cinema? Also, why does EU set to 25p, not set to 24p, if 24p is scientifically fundamental? Further, why does EU not set to 23p, 24p plus 1p is 25p, minus 1p is 23p. We all know scientifically, if 24p is the optimal peak, then 23p and 25p are equally as close to 24p. Come on, 24p believers, give me a larger than real world explanation please.

Sometimes it comes to me, maybe the thinking difference between EU and the States, comes from the 25p and 24p? One P to explain them all.

Interesting, 24p is even number, 25p is odd number. How come EU and US viewers have different eyes. Which side is more human? LOL.

It is interesting to see that people hold this notion that action in an action film is not action, yet action in sports is action. Is 24p blurred action really larger than life? LOL. I really want to see some scientific experiment with a double blinded experimental design to check this placebo effect. LOL.

Actually, your words and your case already defeat the logic that 60p is for sports, 24p for cinema, and 30p for news. If John Wick 4 is not action packed, I don't know which one is.

It actually exists. There are rigorous scientific experiments demonstrating this. There is a famous research center in Duke University focusing on this. This center has its own scientific journal.

Can't agree more. 24p will always be there, just like sepia, or like steam engine trains, etc. I like sepia very much, I used to shoot several sessions of photos on em5. But not for everything. The same with 24p.

Statistically, Hobbit is surely a success, due to its successful ticket box sales, about 5 times more than the cost of making the film. This means that 48p does not matter much to general audience. It may matter much to experienced DPs. However, if we consider 24p as a pollution using an extreme word or case here, then experienced DPs are the most polluted. Is 24p truly more aesthetically beautiful? Maybe or maybe not? Is bokeh truly more beautiful than deep focus? Maybe or maybe not, depends on what you want to achieve. In my experience, for events, you want deep focus, something like f4 or f5.6 on s35, instead of f1.2 or f1.4 on s35. It always depends. Claiming 24p is the holy grail of the cinema is just an overly simplified argument.

It is interesting to see that people always try to justify something established but not really scientifically proven. Critical thinking is so easily lost under the disguise of pursuing pure art. Is there any scientific evidence that 16p or 18p or 20p or 22p is less dream-like or less reality like, yet only 24p or 25p are the optimal frame rates for un reality? and how about 26p, 27p, 28p, 29p, or no 30p, because this is news frame rate? For example, give me scientific evidence that 22p or 26p is inferior to 24p or 25p. LOL.

Actually, human beings are very much like AIs. The so-called unconsciousness may come from pre life experience and after death experience. There are a lot going on in the paranormal physiology and psychology. Human beings may have true creativity out of nothing even not in their unconciousness, but even this exists, it may be far less than what we think.

If the logic that "60p is for sports and gaming (fast action based), 24p for cinematic dream like motion cadence" is rock solid, can anyone here explain to me why Top Gun Maverick, John Wick series, No time to die 007 latest episodes, etc, use 24p instead of 60p? Aren't F14, F18, or gen 5 stealthy fighters at least 10 times faster than national football team best players, fastest human 100 meters sprint athletes on earth, or world cup best players like Diego Maradona? When you watch Top Gun 2 etc fast action movies shot in 24p, do you REALLY enjoy the dream-like motion cadence of the dog fighting takes among multiple world best air-superiority aircraft fighters and interceptors? I know I don't. LOL. If the latter ones require 60p from Varicam or F55 or Amira, why should the former ones be shot on 24p? Isn't this a contradiction here? Isn't the abovementioned logic fatally flawed? LOL.

If there is no Edison like engineers, probably there is no photography camera or movie camera at all. Artists will have to paint on bark skin with dry and wet animal shits. LOL.

It is interesting to see that people favor spatial resolution so much than temporal resolution. Don't forget there is color resolution also. I challenge you to provide me any hard scientific evidence from human anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, cellular and molecular biochemistry that human eyes discriminate spatial resolution so much more than temporal resolution. Please, no dream like snake oil. Once there is enough scientific evidence to establish the claim that human eyes discriminate spatial resolution much more than temporal resolution, I'd totally be happy to admit that the current trend of going for 8k or 12k in digital cinematography, but limiting 24p for cinematic purposes is scientific, not just moosh moosh marketing and sales strategies. LOL.

your thinking is very european. no bad saying. just my feeling.

if you were a red user at that time, you are pretty good. and thanks for the help you give. actually i just rambled out something i see will happen in the future. it is extremely normal that people have different thoughts about this. i don't anticipate others agree with me. i just see a thing and say here. but it very possibly may be true. because i found myself pretty good at prediction. but you may well be thinking i am bragging. that is fine. i may have more questions to ask you in the future. let us keep good online relationship. don't argue with something not important.

actually i think nowadays people favoring s16 or s35 film is hype. digital cinema is very mature by now. in the new era of digital cinema and new distribution platform, many old rules don't hold. but prediction needs time to confirm, by then maybe this forum is gone already. so predictors always are under pressure. no big deal though. it is just a forum. lol.

sometimes people are talented on something. you cannot tell. in 2008, when i predicted that 5d2 was going to kill ex1/ex3 and 2/3 pro eng cams, someone raised the same question, what credential do you have to make sure this prediction is right. It just came out correct 10 years later, and he never admitted his previous stance and suspicion and arrogance later when i see him.

man is what he eats. habits shape the personality.

i guess on a clothing forum, the question will be "how many thongs do you have?" "no thongs, no freedom of speech." lol.

i guess that my point is that "don't kill the messenger, pay attention to the message". but if the attitude is "there is no message? you need to be killed for peaceful mind." then life goes on. no need to fight to death, "it is just a game", or it is just a frame rate thing. lol.

if we want to use some scientific terms to analyze "24p is dream like, has motion cadence of a movie, so it is cinematic. " actually, this is annotation, correlation, but not causal effects. anyways, i just ramble myself a prediction after i see such a smooth 5k 60p from a small action cam and watch youtube to display 4k 60p on so many clips. i myself have no objection to use 24p. i use my cameras to their best modes, some are 24p, some 30p, some 60p. and i present them on youtube natively in terms of frame rate, except sometimes i intentionally want slow mo. and i use these cams in their best modes doing anything i like, as long as it is legal.

where did i say i cannot tell the difference of 24p and 60p. i don't care when i watch a good movie. and i don't think 24p is for cinema and 60p is for sports. i encourage you to email christopher nolan that 3d is hyper realism and his gravity movie is a reality show. lol.

interesting. 24p will not be as main stream as now, isn't this outdated? does this prevent some one using 24p? no law forbids this. nowadays you can go sepia film, and people think this is fashionable. comparing to 50 years ago, when bw film was the mainstream, isn't there any difference? but anyways, i don't want to put you on bait. you don't need to enter this post and ramble.