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21 minutes ago, noone said:
MY 24-720 Equivalent weighs 687 g WITH camera attached (Fuji superzoom), why? NOT what I would compare either mine or yours and both not relevant here.
MY point was the G100 is nothing like a successor to the GM1 and GM5 since it is comparatively much larger and heavier (and since Panasonic themselves said it wasn't), what is YOUR point?
Oh and still waiting for those bitrates for the G100 too thanks!
It is fine to say YOU like it and sure you are just as entitled as anyone else to your opinion but that does not mean that all those panning the camera are wrong does it?
It is SOLD as a vlogging camera and it largely fails for the majority of people commenting, it is NOT a successor to the GM1 and 5 for many people either (and not for Panasonic).
It has a couple of interesting features but it otherwise appears to me as an entry level camera made from the spare parts bin...some will like and want it but it is not what it is sold as.
Wow your approach is disingenuous (pivoting from FF to 1" superzoom to try and prove a point) and unnecessarily argumentative. Please step away from the internet for a while and consider if you're trying to accomplish a discussion, debate or a debasing. I know better than to engage in this further.
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1 minute ago, SteveV4D said:
Again the advantage you speak of is MFT and its lenses, not unique to this camera. Its great that you think its a good purchase and will add value to your gear. That doesn't take away from the fact that the G100 suffers from a lack of features that would make the camera more successful if implemented.
Why add vlog, which is a professional profile, yet deny IBIS, more useful than vlog, given theb8 bit codec. Why even bother with 4K at all, if you have to cripple it so much because you don't have IBIS. Why give a new and improved mic system, if you've screwed up other aspects of video recording.
There are a tonne of inconsistencies with this camera. Making it a mess of features.
The GH5s is Panasonic's most video centric camera. It also doesn't have IBIS. Not saying vloggers wouldn't have loved better IBIS, but if the choice FOR ME is IBIS or a viewfinder in a super compact camera, I'm taking the viewfinder. I understand that is not a majority opinion.
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5 minutes ago, SteveV4D said:
Wonderful; we just need another thousand or more of customers who have this exact and unusual set of circumstances and this camera will be a hit.. 😄
Like I mentioned before, the GF series (their smallest ILC), less capable but nearly as expensive as this are Panasonic's biggest selling line in Japan.
Worldwide. the GM5, Panasonic's smallest ILC ever (introduced in 2014) are so beloved, they sell for $500 used and get snatched off of Ebay almost immediately.
What you choose to do with this information is up top you. I really don't care.
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18 minutes ago, noone said:
Funny thing is the difference in weight between my FF camera and the G100 is LESS than the difference between the G100 and the GM1 or GM5 that he claims it succeeds.
We all know Sony has makes some absolutely tiny FF cameras and leads in this department (even if those bodies are ergonomically challenged.)
We all also know that crop sensor ILCs size advantage has always been at the telephoto end. My 100-300 (200-600mm FOV equivalent) lens weighs 520g and is 74mm x 126mm. I can comfortably carry and shoot with this all day. Up one side of a mountain and down the back. Please post the dimensions of your FF 200-600mm telephoto lens.
Thanks.
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57 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:
What about it makes it a better travel camera than the GX85 or the GX9? Megapixels? Weight? C'mon.
The G100: when 210 grams is just too heavy for you! Here's a camera that weighs less, costs more, and has fewer features!
Being a G9, GX85, G7, and G6 owner, I'll answer your concerns in their order and explain in good faith.
1) Costs will come down
2) Fewer features than my GX85 in some places, and better features in others - This is a bigger deal than it might seem for me (Better Viewfinder , fully articulating screen, 20 MP sensor, and less weight/size - Worse stabilization (which I kind of don't need in most daytime shooting, 4k Crop (the 1080p footage I've seen looks great, so less of a worry))
3) Weight/size
With my gear the G100 improved sensor size, reduced physical size and weight all work together in tight spaces. So even though my GX85 is small, when day hiking or travelling every millimeter and ounce counts. Not so much on weight (although this does matter), but more because of size and ability to orient with other lenses in a small bag. If hiking for wildlife shooting I can currently fit my Lumix 12-60mm daytime zoom, 42mm f1.7 (with macro-ish capability), and 14-140 mm travel zoom in the bag. At the long end, I crop (externally in post or internally with Ex.TelCon) if I need framing beyond 140mm FOV. Still that doesn't add detail into the image.
Instead, with the smaller G100 body, I could instead pack the same 12-60mm daytime zoom, Oly 60mm f2.8 macro, and larger Lumix 100-300mm zoom then crop even more with the extra 4MP on the sensor if I needed reach beyond 300mm. All of these add crop x2 so you can imagine carrying 24-600+ mm with full macro capabilities for wildlife at rest is really special. All of this will easily fit inside a 6L Peak Everyday sling bag and maybe will allow me to drop down to a 3L bag. For what I do, this camera might be just enough to make that kind of difference.
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4 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:
The Fuji X-A7 is in the same class and doesn't have a horrible 4K crop. Oversampling from 6K, S35 sensor size. Flip screen for vlogging and cheaper than G100.
The stabilisation with the Fuji 18-55mm F2.8-4 is very good too.
The XA-7 was introduced at MSRP $699, street price 6 months later is $499. Let's not play that game. We all know the G100 will likely do exactly the same thing.
Also, the XA-7 doesn't have a viewfinder and no Electronic Stab whatsoever. So not even trying EIS is a feature? I still see even a cropped EIS system as a benefit because I'm not always talking in front of the camera.
Undoubtedly if Panasonic dropped the viewfinder the pricing would have been less out the door. Including a good sized viewfinder was a decision made for photographers.
It will be a fine travel companion for those invested in the lens system even if it's doesn't introduce tons of bleeding edge tech. The new mic system and viewfinder are good though.
Look, I get it, Panasonic probably shouldn't have pushed the vlogging angle so hard, but the G100 is not a crap camera. It's the spiritual successor to a camera many people love (GM5). Agreed that Panasonic's marketing angle here was not the best, but looking at the image samples starting to make their way online now show that the G100 IQ will compare nicely to even the G9 which means it also stacks up well against the competition.
https://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-g100/panasonic-g100GALLERY.HTM
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57 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:
But if the G100 is a sales success I'll eat my hat.
IIRC Panasonic's best selling cameras in Japan are their GF line. The G100 improves on that line in every way. Get the ketchup on standby.
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On 6/27/2020 at 2:45 PM, Andrew Reid said:
This video literally repulses me
The way she dodges the crop factor specs is just one of the horrible things in it (5:20)
Johnny being the other!
Maybe she doesn't answer because as a professional reviewer Johnny should do some research before asking a dumb question. All competing cameras in this class have a horrible 4k crop with or without stabilization (in the case of the XT-200, there is no 4k stabilization at all.) The G100's 4k crop is far better than the M50's (see below.) The reason for this is probably straight up physics.
From DPReview below are the competitors in this space - Interchangeable Lens Cameras with stabilization and greater than 1" sensor (either a 4/3rds or APS-C sensors) + 1" sensor, fixed lens cameras because someone will inevitably bring it up (even though 1" sensor cameras compete more closely with cell phones that larger sensor ILCs.)
4K Crop vs full width
Panasonic G100 (4/3 sensor, ILC)
EIS Off: 1.26x
EIS Std: 1.37x
EIS High: 1.79xCanon EOS M50 (APS-C sensor, ILC)
IS Off: 1.55x
IS Std: 1.73x
IS High: 2.22xFujifilm XT-200 (APS-C sensor, ILC)
No Image Stabilization of any kind (digital gimball) available in 4k: so 1.00x
Sony ZV-1 (1" sensor, fixed lens)
IS Off: 1.08
IS Std: 1.08
IS High: 1.19Canon G7 mk III (1"sensor, fixed lens)
IS Off: 1.00
IS Std: 1.11x
IS High: 1.43x1080p Crop vs full width
Panasonic G100 (4/3 sensor, ILC)
EIS Off: 1.00x
EIS Std: 1.09x
EIS High: 1.43xCanon EOS M50 (APS-C sensor, ILC)
IS Off: 1.00x
IS Std: 1.11x
IS High: 1.43xFujifilm XT-200 (APS-C sensor, ILC)
No data published by DPReview just a mention about how bad the 1080p crop is, anyone care to find it?
Sony ZV-1 (1" sensor, fixed lens)
IS Off: 1.00x
IS Std: 1.00x
IS High: 1.09xCanon G7 mk III (1"sensor, fixed lens)
IS Off: 1.00x
IS Std: 1.11x
IS High: 1.43x -
Dissenting opinion from an actual M43 user...
Most backlash over the G100 is unfounded. The G100 is not the G95 or GH6. It is not a professional tool for vlogging (really only the GH5 is) and Panasonic never tried to market the G100 that way. Obviously Panasonic should have made that point even more clear, but it is stated in almost all of Panasonic's marketing materials that the G100 is an entry-level vlogging tool. In the end what is criminal here, is that the photography aspects of the camera are undersold. It's strange to me to see how photography-centric users have fawned over the GM5 (and pay a premium price for it used try to find one a decent used one on Ebay for under $400), but then slam the more capable G100.
The G100 is the updated GM5. It's the GM5 with upgraded sensor, viewfinder, electronics and ergos. It can also be thought of as a much more serious GX850/GF10. A camera that people didn't take seriously due to lack of features and lifestyle-type marketing. Still, there are so many scenarios where decisions made for the G100 (like shaving IBIS) to improve size and weight while significantly upgrading the viewfinder make it a better camera in so many scenarios.- Day hiking or backpacking. The G100's viewfinder and handling beat the Gx85, GX8, and Gx9 in this scenario hands down almost every time. Who needs IBIS over a good viewfinder here for photography (especially in the daytime, under 100mm?
- Traveling or Day hiking and need 200-300mm? Take any of the lightweight 30-100mm, 40-150mm or 14-140mm stabilized lenses and use that upgraded 20 MP sensor and Ex.Tel Con or crop in post. I'd rather do this than carry the 50-200, 100-300, or 100-400 purely optical solutions
- Stealth street photography. The G100 is sized like a point and shoot and will attract next to no attention with the kit lens, a prime, or even with the tiny Lumix 35-100mm.
- Sporting events or concerts. Same as above, the G100 + 35-100mm (Lumix or Lumix X or 14-140mm Lumix) get in the door almost every time.
- Second or third body at an event. The G100s fit in the bag (just like the GM5) but now have roughly the same I.Q. as the G9 or GH5. Carry with compact 1.4, 1.7, 2.8 primes under 75mm (Lumix/Sigma/Oly.) Leave the flashgun at home. Use IBIS bodies for only when long telephoto or ultra low light capabilities are needed.
On YouTube vlogger reviews:
The point so many YouTube vloggers are missing is that the G100 is an entry level vlogging camera with an interchangeable lens system and a bigger sensor. It's benchmark is the Canon EOS M50 which the G100 beats handily on price. The G100's benchmarks are not 1" sensor fixed lens cameras like the ZV-1 and Canon G7 mk III which claim to be professional vlogging cameras but offer few advantages above a good cell phone. The G100 gives a beginning vlogger/photographer the flexibility of a lens system. How this goes unmentioned or minimized in professional reviews blows my mind.
What about the Fujifilm XT-200?
Hell even the "impressive" Fujifilm XT-200 isn't well conceived for entry level vloggers. It crops like crazy when EIS is turned on in 4k. It also has a 15 min recording limit at 4K/30. Where's the backlash? Nonsensically, the XT-200 has absolute garbage 1080p quality making the vlogger choose between 15 minutes of recording in 4k, or horrible I.Q. in 1080 to get more recording time. It's not a good choice for any entry-level user to have to make given that entry level uses have limited resources. And don't even get me started on what has to be the worst rolling shutter in a modern camera coming out of that XT-200. It's like Fuji chased the spec sheet to win over the press, achieved that, and then when people actually got to using the camera, learned the hard way that 4k vlogging is overrated af. So speaking of which....
... Beginner types don't have the kind of baller computers that it takes to work with 4k video files. So of course, they also don't often use 4k to video crop. Even Casey Camera Conspiracy guy noted a few videos ago that 1080p vlogging made a lot more sense than 4k vlogging. He then proceeds to later rip the G100 for it's 4k crop, giving little nods to every other camera in the same size range doing exactly the same thing but with a narrower kit lens FOV. Dumb. Look at the competition. Why bother pointing out that the 4k record limit is short when at this price and size there is no way that such a tiny travel friendly camera body could dissipate the heat generated by a M4/3 sensor at 4k with unlimited record times. Hell, where would the battery to do this even go? Of course he could just drop down to that reasonable 1080p/30 and get 30 minutes which will handle most situations while making workable file sizes, but I guess everything has changed and now if you ain't vlogging in 4k, you ain't vlogging at all.Check the "How it Compares" table From DP Review: Note, the G100 looks to have benchmarked the EOS M50 (and not the fixed lens, 1" sensor cameras (Sony ZV-1, or Canon G7 mk. III)
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dc-g100-g110/2
Lastly, entry level vloggers also rarely use external mics, thus the G100s Nokia OZO mic stuff. They travel and talk to the camera. Minimally edit, upload and post. Volume of work is the key. 1080p on YouTube properly exposed works better for these use cases. 1080 still looks great, and most importantly targeting that resolution nets a camera who's size and files get out of the way of the vlogger so they can tell their stories. Need to record buttery stabilized 4k video with no crop on your G100? Get a cheap gimbal. The G100 is small enough to use with some of the cheapest, lightest gimbals on the market without a problem.
To me, the G100 makes a ton of sense when considering all the above. I will buy 1 (and maybe 2 if there isn't an upgraded GX9 this year) to accompany my G9 and mostly replace my GX85 in the daytime. The G100 (like the GM5) looks like one of those rare cameras that people who actually travel, shoot, and now film are going to love.
The New Panasonic G100 “vlogging” Camera to launch June 24th
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Disagree. The stills on this tiny ILC are looking GREAT so far.
Imaging Resource (not DP review this time) has their initial G100 "Comparometer" images up, and as expected, they look just about every bit as good as the G9 which, for me, is a win. https://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM Sample shots are up too, which also are very nice https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-g100/panasonic-g100GALLERY.HTM For me, the fact that I can take this camera virtually anywhere (unlike my larger G9, and even GX85), and that can produce similar results while using the same lens system is significant and not a failure.
I don't feel it's productive to compare launch pricing on new cameras with used pricing on older cameras. Discussion about all new products would be moot if we simply disregarded those releases by comparing them to older cameras that were a class above and initially double the price. Buying used bodies is hit or miss, especially when those cameras have deprecated to half their original cost (like the X-H1 has done in 2.5 years.) We all know the G100 will also come down in price (both used and new,) that doesn't really further this conversation.
Lastly, whether or not you deem something a failure without openly considering dissenting opinions and other person's use cases is also up to you. In my life, those times have been the most productive when I stepped outside of myself, my opinion and carefully consider why the opposing opinion exists. I get what you and some others have said. There is little innovation here and fewer features than Panasonic's marketing team seemed to promise. What I'm saying is that the packaging and stills performance on the G100 is really good for certain photographers (like myself) and that viewpoint also matters. The fact that I don't agree with you and a handful of users in this thread doesn't seem to anger and affect me the way has some here. That's ok, I don't need to change that either. When searching the net for opinions about this release, I came across this forum, saw that many of the opinions were negative and added my positive opinion to it. I learned a lot about yours and others opinions in this thread and also a lot about the board itself. I'll poke around and learn more, but I honestly don't care to be badgered at instead of discussed with (especially by a mod.) There's a lot more civil and productive conversation to be had in other places.