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Side note but what's the maker of that tilting hotshoe connector you have on the gx85? Seems very handy.

56 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Can't say I noticed either of those flaws on my View Assist HD. Maybe you had a faulty unit?

The display quality of the 4K is high end... very impressive colour & contrast & visibility. The fan is practically silent, you just hear the air moving if you put your ear to the back, that's about it.

So is the VA4k fan quieter then the VAhd? I have tested a VAhd unit and it had the mentioned whine also. Haven't seen he 4K model yet.

(And it doesn't matter but it's Video Assist, not View Assist  )

44 minutes ago, fuzzynormal said:

We all relate to the world differently, eh?  I'll still argue that knowing the why of an issue (even from a grumpy old cuss like me) is more important than being offered a subjective solution.  That way you can figure out an answer that works for your specific problem.  After all, it's your problem and you have the best insight on the nuances of it.

Ok I see now. The point was lost from the start, because my problem is that I need the mic on the rig because I can't put it on the subject. And specificly the question was can I even do that with the VA humming in the rig. You just derailed the whole discussion with the "why" rant that was never needed. I know that a singer should have the mic by her mouth and not up her... 

But it's all good. Except that now I have already missed half of the Ger-Pol football game. I'm off...

12 minutes ago, fuzzynormal said:

Don't take it personal.  You're just a proxy for a subject that's a big peeve of mine.  I figure, when it comes to an issue like this, cut to the chase.  I'm assuming we're all grownups here and can handle a little brusque, and hopefully constructive, criticism?

Yes, grownups. Just saying look how much Greg helped with just a few short words. 

19 minutes ago, fuzzynormal said:

Hey, if you want to use a remote mic mounted on your camera as you're 10 feet away from your subject, go for it.  I'm not calling you out specifically.  All I'm saying is that many people doing these online videos don't seem to comprehend how sound recording works.  

I certainly don't know why.  As I say, it's a fundamental thing to know and it's the easiest thing in the world.  Put your mic as close to the subject as possible.

Ta da.  It's like freaking magic.  You now have better audio.

You are even still doing it. Instead of writing a bashing of 100 words you could have just commented on the Oly recorder suggestion, recommended something if it's shit and added that if you can, put the recorder on the subject. 

Ta da. A lot more helpful and freaking nice.

35 minutes ago, fuzzynormal said:

How would one use the audio from the GX85 regardless?  It's bad audio.  Good only for a scratch track to guide the sync process in post-production.

The only way to get good audio for any production, from your backyard home movies to the highest level film productions, is to get a mic near your subject.  This is fundamental.

I'm frankly a little surprised that there are people out there that would consider buying and owning loads of production gear to create impressive IQ, but then mount some mic to a camera hot shoe and think that was appropriate...for almost anything at all beside rough ambient noise/room tone.

Yet, all you have to do is watch a few vlogger youtube videos to see this ignorance.  I find it quite staggering because it's so ridiculously obvious a problem to solve.  A crappy mic in the proper place will be better than the most expensive mic in the world set up in the wrong place.

Audio is NOT Video.  You can't buy your way into an easy solution.  You want better IQ on your images?  A better camera/lens can do the trick.  You want better audio?  You better know how sound vibrations actually work --and know how to use that to your advantage.

How nice of you. 

8 minutes ago, Greg Block said:

I was not using audio from the GX85. The fan is audible for sure on the Video Assist, but it wasn't so loud that the lavaliere mic picked it up on the main camera (G7).

 

Like you said handheld is not optimal with the external monitor. I have a small shoulder mount system I use for that.

Ok, so I assume that the internal mic on the gx85 can't be used if the VA is near the camera as in your pic. Bummer.

i have very little experience with audio setups for video and I wonder what I should do to solve this with the gx85+VA combo. Maybe buy a separate audio recorder like the Olympus LS-P2? But would that also pic up the VA noise if it was in the same rig with it?

Thanks for the info and picture Greg. The setup looks very promising.

What would you say are the cons on this kind of setup? Obviously the hdmi plugin right on the handle is a bit of a bummer for handheld shooting. What about the VA fan, does the camera mic pic up the noise it makes? Also how bad is the fan sound? Some people have complained that their VA makes a high pitch whine that ruins recording in a quieter setting.

Has anyone tried GX80 with the BM video assist 5inch model? I have been thinking of getting that combo but i´m unsure how well they work together. The idea is to use the VA as a monitor for filming 4K but can the 5inch model even monitor the 4K feed?

The GX80 manual says that there is a setting for adjusting what resolution the HDMI feed is but i´m unsure if this means that the camera is able to do incamera downscale of the 4K to 1080p? It could also be just a setting for playback mode.