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Exciting, we're about to record some shots, but was wondering bout 1 thing. You recommend 24fps, but as we live in a 50hz country and we will use tungsten and ac powered LED's wouldn't we risk flicker in our shots? Or is it also possible to shoot 240fps instead of 200fps when recordinf in 50hz?

Yep was afraid of that. But I think its the only way. So we have to be really carefull what shots we will choose for slowmo. Regarding SSD to SSD, is there a way to transfer the dats more quickly via a laptop to another SSD (a non CD normal SSD)? Or is there still a bottleneck, cause of the usb2.0?

Thank you all! I think you answered all of my worries ;). One last thing though, like I mentioned I'll only have two laptops with usb 2.0 ports and external hard disks at my disposal. What will will me the quickest way to get the data from the SSD's to the hard disks? As I only have one day to shoot and two 512gb SSD's won't be enough I'm afraid for the whole day. EDIT: For instance will this suffice to transfer data to our laptops? '>

Wow Zatara what a great reply! Just the info I needed! Really appreciate it. Ok so slow motion RAW it will be! I guess it's best to just head into the fray and deal with it, gotta learn to work wit uncompressed at some point. But like you said, I gotta pick my slomo shots really careful to keep the excessive data in check. With that said tho, do you know if there's a rough estimate at how large a second recordtime is in 240fps RAW datawise. So not the processed 24fps files, but a second recordtime. I gotta know how many external TB's I've gotta purchase ;). About offloading, I'll be shooting on location with two old laptops (one MacBook, one Windows) with usb2.0 connections. What will be a good way to load off the data to external hard disks? I can't find a simpel SSD to usb cable to plug into a laptop, or doesn't it work like that. And how long would it take to offload a 512GB card via old usb2.0 ports? Also, besides 240fps uncompressed what else requires the recorder to have both ssd recording. Cause, maybe I'll use the 2K RAW to Proress record option to get the best image quality, but don't think i can use it if it also requires both ssd (for I'll be offloading 1 ssd whilst recording on the other as much as possible) Another point, will the 7Q playback the recorded 240fps shots in 24fps? Or another framerate? Not that it really matters what framerate it plays it, just that it we'll be able to see the recorded image! I can imagine that 240fps RAW can be played back as it isnt technically a video file. On the RAW NLE workflow, just to know if I got it right. The best way is to manually transcode every single file to Proress or the Avid codec? And then import those files into Premiere? I'll guess that takes a whole lot of processing time ;). In terms of recording settings and shutter degree, if I understand correctly, it supports 1/48s to get the dubbel of 24fps. So it should be set on 1/480s for 240fps recording? Oh and does the FS700 allow to record internally on SDs for backup, while outputting the crazy 240fps RAW? And one last thing! I alway dial in the WB on a DSLR cause I find the manual grey card way to not always be like I want it to be. How easy is it to set WB on the FS700?

Thank you once again for your input. I've decided to go for the FS700 and thought screw it, lets throw a bit more money at it and rent the 7Q as well! Well, it is maybe a bit too much new info and possibilites to check out. What I want is 'simple', I want to record slow motion compressed, for uncompressed is just too much to handle for this project. But as I just found out (after I've made the payment for the rent, we'll be shooting next weekend), you can't shoot 120 or 240 fps compressed, only uncompressed. Which I found strange because I thought uncompressed would be harder to record. But I'm stuck to RAW on my slow motion shots, a bit of a bummer since I've no experience in that regard. So my first question, is there a way to convert your CinemaDNG files to the aforementioned DNxHD codec? Or does this have to be done in Premiere? I don't think I will need the extra data in post, so it would save time/processing power if I can batch convert or even singel manually convert the RAW files to something workable. Secondly, does anyone have any experience recording high fps on the 7Q? Since I do not fully aprehend what setting I should set the fs700 and the 7Q. Thirdly, I've been reading up on the difference between 23.976, 24 and 25 fps. I thought the consesus was too always shoot 23.976 but does that only validates for US users? As Im form the Netherlands, a 230V with a 50hz freq country, and delivering only for online/vimeo, is 25fps not the best setting to record/export to? Or does this complicate shooting slow motion in 240fps? So many questions haha, and I have only a couple of hourse to learn the system before shooting, so I want to learn as much as possible beforehand

Thanks all! Im still a bit on the fence. Im leaning towards the fs700, but couple of things bugs me. Im reading different opinions on the slog2 vs cinegamma choice (internally). As I understand it, slog is better for dynamic range but cinegamma for grading. Is that true? I know pairing with a 7q is best but thats not a option due to budget. On that note, I want to power it through an ac adapter through the wall (it will be a fully studio shot) but cant find if this is possible. I know the BMCC has this option. Also, is a class10 SD enough to shoot 240 internally on the fs700?

Thank you all for your replies! Truly helpful! @Ebrahim, I will check out the AVID codec, I guess I'll be transcoding all footage files to DNxHD and Premiere export in DNxHD for Resolve? Or just edit nati vely AVCHD in Premiere, export in DNxHD for Resolve and grade it there? @jgharding, I cannot afford Adobe CC at the moment, tho the Premiere/Speedgrade workflow seems really easy. But if I had CC I would stil want to try out Resolve. I really want to learn that program to enhance my skillset. This project seems to be perfect to learn it cos of the lack of a hard deadline. Concerning the 7Q/FS700 combo, I've looked into it and it would be the perfect setup from what I can tell. Roughly the same image quality as the BM, correct me if I'm wrong, a good codec AND slomo. But sadly, out of our price range. It will cost over 3 times more than going the BM route. About rigging the BM, I can use most of my DSLR equipment for the BMCC. Because we have a static environment for our shoot, we don’t need additional powering, we’ll just power it via the AC adapter into the wall. I just need a SSD and SSD reader, but are surely needed in the future. My problem is like I said, I don’t how much DR flexibility is needed in the shoot and how much room I need in post. Maybe I can give an example:

Hello, In a month or I will be making a video-clip with 2 friends. I currently own a canon 6d which I’ve been doing projects with. Even though it’s a great camera I want to try something new to get a better image and better features. Because it’s a passion project we have almost zero budget. BUT we do want to rent a camera. I see it as an investment so I can learn to work with ‘real’ videocamera’s, instead of DSLRs. I’ve been pondering about 2 camera’s the Blackmagic Cinema Camera 2.5k and the Sony FS700, The BM because it has a great image (DR), cheaper to rent, no adapter needed for my lenses and great gradeable image (from what I can tell). The Sony mainly because of slow-mo. Even though slow motion is widely overused imo in videoclips, there are more than a few shots in this project that would benefit from slow-mo and give it a higher production value. I want to use Davinci Resolve for color correction. I’m completely new to it and see this project as a studycase to learn the, from what I hear, complex program. There’s no deadline to project, so I can play with it for weeks. There are a couple of question I still have and could use some recommendations/thoughts. How gradeable are the internal images from the FS700? As far I can see it has the same limitations as DSLR has when recording internal, 8-bit 4:2:0. However, because it is a different codec, does that make any difference? If I would to should on the BMCC, I still would be shooting on ProRes and not RAW. From what I hear it is mostly handy for greenscreen, tracking and difficult DR situations, which our project doesn’t include. We could also rent an external recorder for the Sony, but the Sony is already almost twice as expensive to rent. I don’t think we have that budget. Then there’s the other bigger concern which I only stumbled upon today: codecs, programs and PC. Since I run a windows computer, I can’t export in ProRes from Premiere Pro for Resolve. I however really want to start to learn Resolve on a serious project. The Sony on the other hand records internally in AVCHD which, from what I understand, is not supported by Resolve….. *sigh*. I’ve been googling for a couple of hours now, but I see no clear way to edit BM ProRes footage (not RAW) in PP and colorgrade in Resolve with no quality loss or to edit Sony’s codec natively in PP and export it without quality loss for Resolve. I don’t know how for I’m gonna push the image in post, since I have no experience in this department. But still, the two questions remains. How will the internal FS700 manage in post and is there an easy way to work with either BM or Sony footage on a PC with Premiere Pro and Resolve?